Muslim converts to Christianity

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace;

by men made law of by God’s law ? Do u hate all those Prophets (pbut ) who had more than one wife ?

Where is the Biblical verse that says polygamy is prohibited ?

This answer is from catholic.com:

Be careful of falling into the trap of thinking that every point of faith and morals has to be explicitly attested in Scripture. That isn’t the case. It’s an advantage if one can show Scripture clearly supporting a position, but it isn’t required.

On the subject of polygamy, Scripture indicates that for a time God did tolerate this practice during the Old Testament. However, it was portrayed even then as a negative thing. When Scripture describes the domestic life of polygamists, it brings out consistently the negative effects of polygamy—jealousy, taunting, conflict, favoritism—as different wives and children struggle for position within the family. (Take for example the strife between the wives of Abraham, Jacob, or Elkana; see Gen. 21, 29–30, 1 Sam. 1).

The problems were so clearly recognized that, even if there was not then a flat-out prohibition on the practice, there had to be special legislation concerning polygamy. Thus a husband playing favorites among his wives was not allowed to deprive the children of his first wife their inheritance rights in favor of the children of a more recent wife (Deut. 21:15–16). Kings in particular were forbidden to multiply wives to themselves (Deut. 17:17). Unfortunately, this prohibition was often not followed.

As time progressed, the problems with polygamy became more and more obvious, and it stopped being practiced.

The clincher came in the time of Christ, when Jesus indicated that marriage was to be restored to the state God had intended in Genesis 2. Thus Jesus prohibits divorce (Mark 10:2–9) on the grounds that it was not provided for in God’s original plan. God made one man and one woman to be together. Polygamy is ruled out by the same logic. God’s plan was for Adam and Eve to be together, not for Adam to be married first to Eve and then later to Barbara, and certainly not for Adam to be married to Eve and Barbara at the same time.

 

[Silouan]

Salaam/peace;
yes , pl.

I want to talk to that Imams directly . Pl. give their identity as I am giving of other reverts ( ex Christians) with photo , web link , email add etc so that anyone can check.

Greetings,

I wasn’t an Imam, but the Imam use to let me teach hadith very weekend after Fajr. You are free to talk to me.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

… You are free to talk to me.

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yes , pl. let me know why u left Islam & became a Chrisitan ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

**Be careful of falling into the trap **of thinking that every point of faith and morals has to be explicitly attested in Scripture. .

who decieded that it’s a trap ? God or human being ?

 

[RobHom]

Salaam/peace;

Hitler was a Catholic …no one blames Christianity for what he did . so , don’t blame Islam if some Muslim do/did wrong .

You people have no idea what you are talking about. Muslims of all people should know who and what Hitler was… YOU were his allies in World War II. You supported him…

Hitler was no more a Catholic than Mubarak, Hussein, Khomenii or any other Muslim.

He was born into a Catholic family, and long before he became “Der Fuhrer”…he had left the Church and was nothing more than a NAZI! Catholicism and Nazi’s are like fire and water.

Can you not at least get “western history” correct?

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace;

Moses (p) had 2 wives , Abraham (p ) had 3 wives , Solomon (p) had 1000 wives & women slaves .

Surely u don’t want to say that polygamy is prohibited regarding jewish & Christians holy books & all of those Prophets ( pbut ) broke the law of God Almighty ?

Where do you read that Abraham had 3 wives and that Moses had two wives?

Please cite reference from the Bible next time for the sake of honesty. Thanks.

 

[Silouan]

Salaam/peace;

yes , pl. let me know why u left Islam & became a Chrisitan ?

It is a long story. I cannot say I left it for one praticular reason. But perhaps many things. But if i had to pick one thing, I would say that I no longer had sakina (that inner peace and joy). I could no longer invite people to Islam. How could I invite or call people to Islam, when I did not feel happy about it??? I felt like I would be calling people to misery. My sister made the comment, “You make Islam appear impossible to follow.” She said this because I practiced everything possible in the religion. There is a hadith that says, the Religion is Easy. Let me tell you, there is nothing easy about Islam.

Toward the last days of my Islam, I would get panic attacks just from reading Islamic books (I had over 1000 books). I tried reciting the Quran to relieve this and it did not work. Islam became such a burden to my soul, I woke up one friday morning, and said, I am done with it.

I never felt so happy. It was like a big rock was lifted from my shoulders.

After leaving Islam, I still had a need for spirituality. I started reading other religious traditions, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shamanism etc etc. I was talking to another ex-Muslim friend of mine, who is well-read, I told him, I wouldn’t mind studying Christianity but it seems to lack true spirituality, they are more emotional people than spiritual people. So he recommended an Orthodox Christianity Spiritual book entitled the Philokalia. After reading some of the Philokalia, it reminded me so much of Islamic Sufism (Islamic Spirituality), that I had studied and practiced, it represented true spirituality (which I believe they got from Orthodox Christian Spirituality), something missing from protestant christianity. So I started studying Orthodox Christianity.

I started doing research on the history of Christianity

Like Traditional Sunni Islam, Orthodox Christianity has an unbroken chain back to several disciples of Jesus and than back to Jesus. Like Traditional Sunni Islam, there is some type of authority, the priesthood of the Orthodox Church. Like Traditional Sunni Islam, it not only has the sacred text (like the Quran and Hadith) but also the unwritten tradition, transmitted from priest to priest all the way back to Jesus. Like Traditional Sunni Islam, God caused all the heretic early groups to die out and preserved the Orthodox Church.

After my studies of Orthodox Christianity, I feel 100% sure that it represents the true teaching of Jesus, the son of Mary. And now I question the validity of Muhammad and his connection with Judai-Christian tradition.

After practicing Orthodox Christianity, I say, Orthodox Chrisitanity is everything Islam should be. After leaving Islam, I think the biggest problem with Islam is that the scholars systematized the religion, when they systematized the religion they compartmentalized the religion. So much so, that the outward sciences of Islam, outweighs the inward sciences of Islam. There is only one inward science of Islam, and that is Tasawwuf. And there are many outward sciences, Fiqh, Aqidah, Usul, Hadith, Quran, Arabic, and these are further broken down to various studies, ie Hadith as isnad, and textual proofing, as well as commentary. Therefore, it appears that outward scholars are given precedence over inward scholars, although historically, there have been some scholars who tried to revive this in Islam, and bring back spirituality, and Imam Al Ghazali comes to mind, and his Ihya Ulum Ad Deen, Revival of Islamic Sciences. And many renewers have truly tried to revive this spiritual aspects of Islam, but it seems like time and time again, the outward sciences seem to prevail.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[AlessandraRose]

Salaam/peace;

under the Islamic & Christians & Jewish laws , he can marry more . So , u give more importance on men made laws than the law God prescribed ?

Their is a difference in what God perscribed and what your man muhammad perscribed.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Where do you read that Abraham had 3 wives and that Moses had two wives?

Please cite reference from the Bible next time for the sake of honesty. Thanks.

find the info in Christians’s sites.

Polygamy really is Biblical!

Abraham

Faithful friend of God and father of the Hebrew nation

“Father of the faithful”

3 Wives - Sarah, Hagar and Keturah

“Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.” Genesis 16:1

“And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.” Genesis 16:3

“Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.” Genesis 25:1

Polygamists in the Bible

“Remember Moses wrote it” ©

The holy prophet Moses was the meekest man “above all the men which were upon the face of the earth” (at his time). (Numbers 12:3.)

The Spirit of God was upon Moses. (Numbers 11:17.)

And Moses had two wives.

1. Zipporah: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6
2. Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15)

biblicalpolygamy.com/polygamists/abraham/

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace;

find the info in Christians’s sites.

Polygamy really is Biblical!

Abraham

Faithful friend of God and father of the Hebrew nation

“Father of the faithful”

3 Wives - Sarah, Hagar and Keturah

“Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.” Genesis 16:1

“And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.” Genesis 16:3

“Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.” Genesis 25:1

Polygamists in the Bible

“Remember Moses wrote it” ©

The holy prophet Moses was the meekest man “above all the men which were upon the face of the earth” (at his time). (Numbers 12:3.)

The Spirit of God was upon Moses. (Numbers 11:17.)

And Moses had two wives.

1. Zipporah: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6
2. Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15)

biblicalpolygamy.com/polygamists/abraham/

Please stop telling lies about Abraham and Moses.

First, the Bible says that Abraham married Keturah (Genesis 25) after Sarah’s death (Genesis 23), which somehow escapes your sight.

Second, the Hebrew text does not allow one to know for sure if the phrase “Ethiopian woman” referred to another woman than Zipporah. Interestingly, the Old Testament says nothing about Moses’ marriage with another woman, nor does it give the reasons underlying such a marriage. Some scholars think that Moses might have married another woman after sending his first wife away with her father.

Finally, I should once more remind you that the Koran depicts Abraham and Moses as men practicing monogamy. Very interesting, isn’t it?

 

[dolphinlove]

Where do you read that Abraham had 3 wives and that Moses had two wives?

Please cite reference from the Bible next time for the sake of honesty. Thanks.

This is exactly why i ignored that part. Muslim woman really needs to do more research on Christianity before she can make such outrages claims…

 

[Silouan]

find the info in Christians’s sites.

Polygamy really is Biblical!
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Everything has a context, and everything must be understood within that context. Within the Christian context, polygamy is not permissible. There is no indication that the early Christians practiced polygamy.

In Islam there is a difference between a Messenger and a Prophet. Jesus was classified as a Messenger. When a Messenger comes, the laws of the prior messenger is no longer valid. Thus under the new covenant. The New Testament and the teachings of the early Christians is the polygamy is outlawed.

Yes, polygamy is biblical, but it is not part of the new convenant and the New Testament teachings.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[happyday]

Everything has a context, and everything must be understood within that context. Within the Christian context, polygamy is not permissible. There is no indication that the early Christians practiced polygamy.

In Christ,

Silouan

I am glad that to you “everything must be understood within that context.”

But where in the NT, it says : “polygamy is not permissible.”?

How do you know polygamy is biblical, but it is not part of the new convenant and the New Testament teachings?

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[TheOldOne]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silouan
Everything has a context, and everything must be understood within that context. Within the Christian context, polygamy is not permissible. There is no indication that the early Christians practiced polygamy.

In Christ,

Silouan

I am glad that to you “everything must be understood within that context.”

But where in the NT, it says : “polygamy is not permissible.”?

How do you know polygamy is biblical, but it is not part of the new convenant and the New Testament teachings?

We believe that the Church defines what is or is not part of the new covenant. We are not sola scriptura protestants.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Yes, polygamy is biblical, but it is not part of the new convenant and the New Testament teachings.

I read Bible long ago . There is a verse like that Jesus (p) said : I did not come to change any law but to fullfill.

So , how come Jesus (p) banned polygamy that was practised by many Prophets ( pbut ) & was approved by God Almighty ?

 

[Silouan]

I am glad that to you “everything must be understood within that context.”

But where in the NT, it says : “polygamy is not permissible.”?

How do you know polygamy is biblical, but it is not part of the new convenant and the New Testament teachings?

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Well, in the Jewish Tradition, polygamy is permissible, and there are indication polygamy being permissible. However there were some Jewish sects, after the coming of Christ, who outlawed polygamy.

In the Christian tradition, there is no indication in the New Testament, that specifically states, polgamy is permissible or impermissible, it is something that is definitely outlawed by the Church, and I am not aware of any early Christians practicing polygamy.

At the end of the day, I am not going to argue about something, that is well known.

If you don’t think it is biblical, I guess you believe whatever you want to believe.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

I wouldn’t mind studying Christianity but it seems to lack true spirituality… So I started studying Orthodox Christianity.

what’s the difference between Christianity & Orthodox Christianity ?

. Like Traditional Sunni Islam, there is some type of authority,

what do u mean by Suuni Islam has some type of authority ?

Like Traditional Sunni Islam, God caused all the heretic early groups to die out and preserved the Orthodox Church.

pl. explain.

After practicing Orthodox Christianity, I say, Orthodox Chrisitanity is everything Islam should be.

ok , what is Orthodox Christianity ?

 

[Silouan]

Salaam/peace;

I read Bible long ago . There is a verse like that Jesus (p) said : I did not come to change any law but to fullfill.

So , how come Jesus (p) banned polygamy that was practised by many Prophets ( pbut ) & was approved by God Almighty ?

Just as you would think that it is incorrect, for a Christian to take a quote from the Quran or hadith and twist to fit their personally belief, you too should not take bible quotes and twist the meaning to fit your personal belief.

Yes Jesus said it, but what Jesus taught has to be understood in the context that the early Christians understood it. And to understand that quote, I would recommend that you read the Letter to Romans by Paul. Jesus said many things, you have to take everything that Jesus taught, not just bits and pieces.

This is the reason I am not Muslim, there are some wonderful things I learned in Islam, but there are somethings I disliked about Islam as well. I can’t pick and chose what Muhammad taught, I have to take the whole cake or none at all.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[happyday]

Well, in the Jewish Tradition, polygamy is permissible, and there are indication polygamy being permissible. However there were some Jewish sects, after the coming of Christ, who outlawed polygamy.

In the Christian tradition, there is no indication in the New Testament, that specifically states, polgamy is permissible or impermissible, it is something that is definitely outlawed by the Church, and I am not aware of any early Christians practicing polygamy.

At the end of the day, I am not going to argue about something, that is well known.

If you don’t think it is biblical, I guess you believe whatever you want to believe.

In Christ,

Silouan

Thanks for your honest and fair reply.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Well, in the Jewish Tradition, polygamy is permissible… it is something that is definitely outlawed by the Church

Is it true that a Christan man must marry his brother’s widow if she does not have any kid or it is also outlawed by the Church ?