Muslim converts to Christianity

[Angelos]

I had said that Devil took Jesus around for forty days. You have raised objections. But see mathew 4 and Luke 4 which shows that devil took Jesus around on a few errands. Even just being tempted by the devil was bad enough. See below, all from your own bible. There is no such thing in Quran. :

**Mathew 4:
5Then the devil took him to the holy city **and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6"If you are the Son of God," he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
" ‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’
7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[c]”
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[d]”
11Then the devil left him

Luke 4:
5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”
8Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.”
9The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10For it is written:
" ‘He will command his angels concerning you
to guard you carefully;
11they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
12Jesus answered, “It says: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
13When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.

Dear planten, playing with words to twist their meaning is a bad habit of yours.

The accounts you present as avidence debunk your theory since they all emphasize that Jesus was led into the wilderness by God’s Spirit. Jesus’ temptation was an indispensable part of His prophetic ministry. Jesus went to confront Satan. He was tempted, but became victor unlike the first Adam.

No verse in the NT even implicitly states that Satan could beguile or defeat Jesus in His temptations.

 

[inJESUS]

Salaam/peace;

Quran says …but he forgot.

Adam (p) repented & God the most kind , ever merciful forgave him .

It’s not any nasty allegation against Adam (p) like in Bible we find some Prophets were engaged in dirty matters.

he forgot what ya habibti? satan even reminded him of Allah’s order…

 

[inJESUS]

No verse in the NT even implicitly states that Satan could beguile or defeat Jesus in His temptations.

Jesus freed people from satan, Muhammad was under majic for a long time that he did not know what he was doing…he even had a devil jinn at his side but Allah turned it into a Muslim jinn…subhanallah.

 

[planten]

hi planten
i’m a new member, but i’ve read many of your comments
do you have some sort of learning disability ?

**Please keep reading. Or tell me what you want to teach me. I am ready to be your student. Thanks.

Be reasonable. The christians accuse us and our religion for wrong things. We reply and we find that their own religion is far behind in merit. So a discussion is going on. You may kindly participate honestly. We will come to know your good ideas.**

 

[Angelos]

he forgot what ya habibti? satan even reminded him of Allah’s order…

She means planten forgot what the Koran says

 

[planten]

There’s the human factor that exists as Jesus, a human form with all it’s flaws. The human life includes pain, pleasure, abuse of power, temptation, etc. If God takes the form of 1000 humans ( certainly God can ), each of them would have it’s own independent personality, life, experiences ( including baptism ), feelings, thoughts, etc.
Otherwise, they are not complete humans.
Satan’s aim ( or mission ) is to make use of that inherent flaw.

**Why would God take a human form. Just for the church? If God takes the human form… That is a big IF there. Then having dual or triple personality for Jesus is the very basic flaw in church teachings. That violates all norms.

Just because people think that God can do anything, they try to do it themselves for God.They do not know whether God would like to do that thing. That is another fault in church thinking.

We Muslims believe that Allah can do whatever He likes, whatever He wishes.

Having dual or triple personality for Jesus (even six fold) is wrong. We ahve to decide whether Jesus is a man or God or angel or Jinn or ghost. He can be only one thing, not many. By giving him more than one category, the church does the worst damage to reasonable thinking… It becomes all un-natural, irrational.**

 

[planten]

Dear planten, playing with words to twist their meaning is a bad habit of yours.

The accounts you present as avidence debunk your theory since they all emphasize that Jesus was led into the wilderness by God’s Spirit. Jesus’ temptation was an indispensable part of His prophetic ministry. Jesus went to confront Satan. He was tempted, but became victor unlike the first Adam.

No verse in the NT even implicitly states that Satan could beguile or defeat Jesus in His temptations.

Dear angelos, I have shown you from the bible that devil took Jesus around to various places. But you are still denying it. It is plain English. I feel that now you should throw down all your weapons and become calm and comfortable.

 

[Angelos]

**Why would God take a human form. Just for the church? If God takes the human form… That is a big IF there. Then having dual or triple personality for Jesus is the very basic flaw in church teachings. That violates all norms.

Just because people think that God can do anything, they try to do it themselves for God.They do not know whether God would like to do that thing. That is another fault in church thinking.

We Muslims believe that Allah can do whatever He likes, whatever He wishes.

Having dual or triple personality for Jesus (even six fold) is wrong. We ahve to decide whether Jesus is a man or God or angel or Jinn or ghost. He can be only one thing, not many. By giving him more than one category, the church does the worst damage to reasonable thinking… It becomes all un-natural, irrational.**

Your god, on the other hand, is an almighty god that deliberately fails to preserve his supposed revelations only for Mohammad’s sake. Your god is an almighty god that changes his mind in order to realise Mohammad’s desires. Your god is an almighty god that misunderstands Christian tenets. Your god is an almighty god that can punish his enemies only by deceiving them through illusions. Your god is an almighty god that makes scientific and historic mistakes in his final book. Your god is an almighty god that was born of a pagan’s fantasies.

Good luck to u in your belief

 

[Angelos]

Dear angelos, I have shown you from the bible that devil took Jesus around to various places. But you are still denying it. It is plain English. I feel that now you should throw down all your weapons and become calm and comfortable.

You should learn to throw down your arrogance and apologise for slandering our faith and perverting our Gospels.

The Gospels never support your view that Jesus surrendered to Satan’s commandments, which is the only significant fact you always ignore.

 

[planten]

You should learn to throw down your arrogance and apologise for slandering our faith and perverting our Gospels.

The Gospels never support your view that Jesus surrendered to Satan’s commandments, which is the only significant fact you always ignore.

Again you are wrong. I never said that Jesus surrendered to the devil. You are making it up against me now. I do not believe that Jesus succumbed to the devil. I believe that he defeated the devil.

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[trustme80]

**Please keep reading. Or tell me what you want to teach me. I am ready to be your student. Thanks.

Be reasonable. The christians accuse us and our religion for wrong things. We reply and we find that their own religion is far behind in merit. So a discussion is going on. You may kindly participate honestly. We will come to know your good ideas.**

i’ll surely do.
i’m not here to teach, nor am i qualified to teach anybody anything.
maybe, you’re just to emotional ( what’s up with the big letters anyway ? ), and you fire but dont really hit anything.

i am. muslims also do that to other religions, more freely ( i live in the biggest muslim country ). i agree, we should be honest. and yours.

 

[planten]

Your god, on the other hand, is an almighty god that deliberately fails to preserve his supposed revelations only for Mohammad’s sake. Your god is an almighty god that changes his mind in order to realise Mohammad’s desires. Your god is an almighty god that misunderstands Christian tenets. Your god is an almighty god that can punish his enemies only by deceiving them through illusions. Your god is an almighty god that makes scientific and historic mistakes in his final book. Your god is an almighty god that was born of a pagan’s fantasies.

Good luck to u in your belief

What is my God and what is your God? You have many Gods. I cannot compete with you. I have only One God against your quite a few gods. Please look after your Gods. And leave my God alone.

 

[Angelos]

What is my God and what is your God? You have many Gods. I cannot compete with you. I have only One God against your quite a few gods. Please look after your Gods. And leave my God alone.

It is true that you have but one god, which is an illiterate pagan.

 

[Angelos]

Again you are wrong. I never said that Jesus surrendered to the devil. You are making it up against me now. I do not believe that Jesus succumbed to the devil. I believe that he defeated the devil.

.

You are changing your stand now. LOL Something I always expect from you

 

[trustme80]

**Why would God take a human form. Just for the church? If God takes the human form… That is a big IF there. Then having dual or triple personality for Jesus is the very basic flaw in church teachings. That violates all norms.

Just because people think that God can do anything, they try to do it themselves for God.They do not know whether God would like to do that thing. That is another fault in church thinking.

We Muslims believe that Allah can do whatever He likes, whatever He wishes.

Having dual or triple personality for Jesus (even six fold) is wrong. We ahve to decide whether Jesus is a man or God or angel or Jinn or ghost. He can be only one thing, not many. By giving him more than one category, the church does the worst damage to reasonable thinking… It becomes all un-natural, irrational.**

And why would God write a book in arabic ?
Jesus doesnt have multiple personalities, that’s not the point.
A human is only a human if it has a human personality and human limitations, that’s the price of being a human.
God is undefinable.
You cant define God, except through His attributes. Jesus is God’s love to humanity, manifested. A human personality of a divine source and purpose.
Jesus is a guide ( more importantly, act ) to life.
The living word. A living quran.
I think it’s natural if you understand the concept.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**Almisry, I can reply to the 3 questions, specially the last one about the mother of Jesus.

1. It is bad that Satan tempted Jesus , a man of God. He took Jesus around for forty days.**

Uh, yeah, its bad. He’s SATAN. He specialized in bad.

1. Forget the satanic verses of a satan who is in the hiding. He got a lot of money in return for writing that dirty book. You should not celebrate such things.

I that you should pick that sura, as it deals with your prophet OKing his morality with wives, a topic we have discussed to your shame many a time:
1O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, “He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).”
If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.
It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.

For those who have never read the verses:
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YUSUFALI: And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh: Behold she said: “O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from those that do wrong”;
PICKTHAL: And Allah citeth an example for those who believe: the wife of Pharaoh when she said: My Lord! Build for me a home with thee in the Garden, and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from evil-doing folk;
SHAKIR: And Allah sets forth an example to those who believe the wife of Firon when she said: My Lord! build for me a house with Thee in the garden and deliver me from Firon and his doing, and deliver me from the unjust people:

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YUSUFALI: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).
PICKTHAL: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
SHAKIR: And Marium, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

I think Jesus filled with the “holy Spirit” was a result of the descent of the Spirit upon him at his “baptism”.

If you read earlier in the Gospel, that is how He was conceived, by the Holy Spirit.

Just imagine : G_d getting baptized, as Chriatian thinks that Jesus was their god, though three-in-one but ONE TRUE god.

Yes, John the Baptist thought about it, and that’s why he didn’t want to do it. read the Gospel.

Christ was full of humility, but you wouldn’t know anything about that.

After baptism, Jesus [Christian god] is now equipped to overcome the devil. Wow!!

non sequitur

Just as the Spirit is prominent at this early stage of Jesus’ ministry [ministry of Christian god] so too will it be at the beginning of the period of the church in Acts?

And all the periods inbetween.

BTW, the mention of forty days recalls the forty years of the wilderness wanderings of the Israelites during the Exodus, No?

Yes, it called prefigurement and fulfillment. Since your Quran has fulfilled nothing, you wouldn’t know about that.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Dear Judeo- Muslim, you do not know what I quoted those verses from the Koran for, do you?

Planten found the idea of a prophet’s temptation by Satan SCANDALOUS, which is present in his Koran. LOL

Jesus is not three in one. You are repeating the mistakes of Mohammad’s scribes while approaching the Trinitarian doctrine. Your arguments make no sense since you deny the Incarnation to support your fallacies.

I m rolling my eyes once more

Don’t roll your eyes everytime. With Aaronjo and Platen so much rolling will have them fall out.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**
From Luke chapter 4, I have proved that the Devil tempted Jesus for forty days. See below:

Luke 4.
1Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.**

Now you christians are all hanging on one word that it was spirit who was taking him around in the wilderness. It matters little. The point is that the devil was with Jesus for forty days. That is what I had posted in my first post and it has been proved.

I shall prove it further that the devil took Jesus around. It is sure news and the christians will not be able to deny it. Are you ready to see the proof? You re telling me that I had no glasses on. christian friends, please be gentle and try to be real and speak in real terms. I will come back soon.

So the devil took Jesus around? Unlike your prophet, according to your own sources, Jesus never gave in and succumed

 

[Isa_Almisry]

he forgot what ya habibti? satan even reminded him of Allah’s order…

LOL Muhammad forgot that.