Muslim Reaction Proves Pope’s Point

[Richardols]

I have never heard a Major Muslem organization denounce terrorist acts. Do you know of any websites from Muslem organiztions that may. If their out there I’d like to see them.

Look up the “Scholars of Islam and the Tragedy of Sept 11th” website.

 

[Eden]

What aid was sent to the victims? To the grieving families?

And let’s not forget that there are some governments that send money to the families of suicide bombers.

 

[Deacon2006]

Because just like many Catholics, not all Muslims follow their religion, until it becomes convient or necessary.

I do know it is a fact that the KGB hired this man to assasinate the Pope. The Russian government admitted this a few years ago.

No not true Russia is denying involvement.

As for the the international communist plot JPII has said he never believed Bulgaria was involved and just this March the Russians said this:

"The Interfax news agency carried a denial Friday from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) spokesman Boris Labusov, who said “all assertions of any kind of participation in the attempt on the pope’s life by Soviet special services, including foreign intelligence, are completely absurd.”

On top of that we can not disregard Agca’s own words when he claims to have called the Pope a “crusader commander” sent by Western imperialists and that he wanted to kill the Pope in Turkey years before his attack in Rome.

The point is not whether he was a good muslim, but rather if in some way his religious background played a role his own words confrim my assertation.

Personally I think the most reasonable explanation is that he is a violent, murdererous nut and a muslim. All of which formed up into a toxic soup of hate that motivated him to try to kill the Pope. As such I have no problem listing him in the rogues gallery of muslim murderers who plot and kill catholic clergy

God Bless

 

[tequilamac]

And now the Chief Rabbi is upset with our beloved Pope…
jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1157913648835&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

More manipulative stuff.
It is too bad he did not read the Torah before he spoke. In the Torah it clearly states that the fool holds not his tongue but the wise man keeps his silence. Could this be it? the Muslim clerics are not reading their own Koran and the rabbis are not reading their Torah? They have substituted holy reading with Reuters instead.

One wonders after a while about the state of the world’s mainline religions. they seem to have leaders who lack the intelligence to:
a. read what is written and comprehend it.
b. Understand historical references and relate them to today’s events.
c. Understand nuances.

What they do do well is misunderstand, postulate, demand the limelight, politicize religion, exploit anger, and are opportunistic. I think we can see this in the whole Papal speech. A well thought out speech, most benign, and every man in a clerical suit has had to offer his extremely overwhelmingly important opinion, usually opportunistically advantageous to his own religion or self. We all have the same God? I wonder if He is scratching his head as much as I am. What in the world do you think God is thinking as he watches all these people check in with their opinions? I don’t think we have heard from the Mormons yet, or the Buddhists, or the Hindhus. It must be just a matter of time.
This is the problem with religions that allow themselves to become political entities. Self service.

 

[eaglehawk]

Dunno. Do you? How many Muslims have you spoken to lately?

Mike

I speak to so-called moderate muslims everyday and the general feeling is that they condone the acts of extremism, typical arguments like “how would you like it if jews bombed your house or how would you like it if we insulted your religion” cough the only difference is because they live in a free western country and have financial stability, and are more commited to family and work, there is no need for them to chant anti-western slogans, burn an effigy or strap on a bomb.

 

[Eden]

I speak to so-called moderate muslims everyday and the general feeling is that they condone the acts of extremism, typical arguments like “how would you like it if jews bombed your house or how would you like it if we insulted your religion” cough the only difference is because they live in a free western country and have financial stability, and are more commited to family and work, there is no need for them to chant anti-western slogans, burn an effigy or strap on a bomb.

This has been my experience as well.

 

[Richardols]

I speak to so-called moderate muslims everyday and the general feeling is that they condone the acts of extremism…

I don’t doubt that this was your experience with “so-called moderates,” (who by definition wouldn’t have been moderate at all) but my family’s experience with Pakistanis in Brooklyn, NY was entirely the opposite. In the conversations I had with them, they accused extremists for all the damage to Islamic-Christian relations, and the Moslems I know, including my cardiologist, are truly moderate…

And, they were fine acquaintances - my wife has a serious Stage 4 cancer, and we were touched that a Moslem father of one of her Pakistani students who was about to go on the Haj promised to pray for her when he got to Mecca. He didn’t have to make that spontaneous gesture.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

The problem is on either side is that anecdotal evidence for a 1.1 billion group of people is problematic to say the least. Doctrinally, though, there are significant problems with Islam, the main one-as I have stated-is there refusal to recognize the divinity of Mary’s Son. Pray through Mary to Jesus for conversion of the world…

 

[CatholicNewby]

The actions to be taken against the terrorists were the responsibilities of the Spanish, French and U.S. governments, not that of ordinary citizens of Moslem countries.

What actions would you expect of a Christian who learned of a plot by “Christian” anarchists in the U.S. to plant an explosive device? I would expect them to report it to the authorities. If these Christian Anarchists were a persistent problem, I would also expect Christians of good will to keep an eye out for behavior indicative of someone supporting/planning these activities. The terrorists are hiding among the muslim population. How can they do this if there is not widespread acceptance (if not active support) of their cause? Speeches are one thing (and I haven’t seen as many as I would expect from an outraged moderate muslim community). Actions are quite another.

 

[Richardols]

What actions would you expect of a Christian who learned of a plot by “Christian” anarchists in the U.S. to plant an explosive device? I would expect them to report it to the authorities.

How about an example? Some half-century and few decades ago, when the Mafia was more influential and powerful than it is now, good Sicilian-American Catholics might have become aware, by accident, of some planned mob hit or other such crime. What are the chances that they would have reported it to the authorities?

Absolutely none. None whatever.

Today is different, of course.

 

[KathleenElsie]

The Muslim man who shot Pope John Paul II, was a hired-gun of the Soviet Union’s KGB. He did it for money, not for Islam, as I recall. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Well in a lot of cases (maybe all) those that kill themselves for their cause are awarded money from agencies we will not mention here. In my opinion it is not that far fetched to accept money from anyone willing to pay for the service to be done. Thus the mayter family will be cared for and encourage others that are unemployed and undereducated to take the same road.

Not sure how much is faith, lack of hope or just plain lack of human life. In any case it is evil and needs to be stopped.

 

[KathleenElsie]

I don’t doubt that this was your experience with “so-called moderates,” (who by definition wouldn’t have been moderate at all) but my family’s experience with Pakistanis in Brooklyn, NY was entirely the opposite. In the conversations I had with them, they accused extremists for all the damage to Islamic-Christian relations, and the Moslem’s I know, including my cardiologist, are truly moderate…

And, they were fine acquaintances - my wife has a serious Stage 4 cancer, and we were touched that a Moslem father of one of her Pakistani students who was about to go on the Hajj promised to pray for her when he got to Mecca. He didn’t have to make that spontaneous gesture.

Sorry to hear of your wifes cancer. I will keep her in my prayers as well as you.

Those Muslims that I know and consider as good people also have offered to pray for us. Some are good and kind people and this I can agree with. The problem comes from their religious belief and allowing their preachers to preach hatred to their young children.