Muslim Reaction Proves Pope’s Point

[MichaelTDoyle]

Good point. Either “all Islam” from Morocco to Egypt to Pakistan to Indonesia wants an all out war with the West or it’s just some Islamist fundamentalist terrorists who have it in for us.

If the former, why would any Moslem country do anything, I mean anything, to help us? It would be to the furtherance of the Greater Glory if the West were to be the victim of every plot that came along. Indeed, isn’t it total folly for America to be trying to help Iraq and Afghanistan if all those people are only waiting for the right moment to join the Great Jihad?

How much of this is them just not having the means? How many countries continue to persecute minorites. By all means hold up “esteem” for them. I have esteem for all humans for they are in the image of God, but I am not going to sit by and have them point a gun to my head and force me to convert.

Conquest is a native idea within Islam. Those who do not strive for it are not practicing it. But hey, they’re just good old boys, just like you and me.

Except their slaughterfields in Darfur against Christians,
Their outloawing the mass in Saudi Arabia
Their persecution of Coptics
Their persecution of Christian minorities everywhere where they can get away with it.

But hey, it doesnot matter what you believe, they’re good old boys just like you and me.

Tell me I am wrong. Tell me they did not set the streets fomenting and shot a Nun over complete self imagined falsehoods?

 

[Richardols]

Tell me I am wrong. Tell me they did not set the streets fomenting and shot a Nun over complete self imagined falsehoods?

Some committed crimes to be sure, murder in fact. There are over a billion Moslems. How many didn’t commit crimes and riot in proportion to those who did?

 

[Eireann]

MikeWM:

Oh. Ok. We’re not occupying any Muslim lands right now, are we? I guess I missed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, standing by while Israel rained cluster bombs on Lebanon, and the complete non-action about continued settlement and wall-building in the Palestinian occupied territories. (‘Occupied territories’ - it’s a bit of a clue).

Most of that is occupation with intent to leave when the job if you like is done, completely different than occupying another country for forever and a day.
Lebanon and Palestinians are a different story, peace keeping and occupation are two different things.

Sounds a bit like the CIA in Afghanistan when the commies were bigger enemies than the Muslims. Except the CIA were more obvious about it. Or maybe Nicaragua, or… Both the US and the UK governments are very good at not following the principles they tell other countries they have to follow.

You said that, anyway Mike, enough of this N,Ireland stuff for me, suffice to say there is occupation as peace keepers, and then there is just downright occupation, the second one I don’t agree with.

 

[Eireann]

And you know, for sure, that Muslims are not informing?

Like

cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/07/13/terror–plot.html

or

guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,1843069,00.html

Mike

Read the links, here a few months ago a Sunday newspaper exposed the where abouts of an IRA informer, who had been informing for 20 years or so.

One week later after the paper exposed him, he was dead, apparently old scores to settle, particularly from people that did long stretches in prison because of his info.

Dennis Donaldson >>>> news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4877516.stm

I can only assume the fate of that Muslim informer and his family.

 

[KathleenElsie]

…and? What do they think? Are they supporting the violence and the calls to kill the Pope?

Mike

The general comment is “we can not speak about it”. It ends there.

 

[MikeWM]

Read the links, here a few months ago a Sunday newspaper exposed the where abouts of an IRA informer, who had been informing for 20 years or so.

One week later after the paper exposed him, he was dead, apparently old scores to settle, particularly from people that did long stretches in prison because of his info.

Dennis Donaldson >>>> news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4877516.stm

Yes, I know about that. It seemed more a problem caused by a very irresponsible media than anything else, but of course being an informer is extremely dangerous.

I can only assume the fate of that Muslim informer and his family.

Well, it was two different ones - but yes.

Mike

 

[MikeWM]

The general comment is “we can not speak about it”. It ends there.

I’m not surprised. They’d have to be pretty brave to do anything but keep as low a profile as possible, else they may come across some of the sentiments such as those that have been coming out on these forums over the last week.

Mike

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

Some committed crimes to be sure, murder in fact. There are over a billion Moslems. How many didn’t commit crimes and riot in proportion to those who did?

Where is the outcry of this BILLION muslims. By silence, acquiesence

 

[Swiss_Guard]

One of my friends at work is a 26 year old Muslim woman. She is one of the most kind and generous persons anyone could meet. The only time I’ve even seen her get irritated is when I get into one of my rants on the Green Bay Packers (and if you’ve watched the Packers this year, you know I have lots to rant about).

I don’t believe she would do anything to harm me or anyone else who isn’t Muslim. I don’t know how seriously she takes her faith, but I’ve had a few discussions about matters of faith and she once made a comment to the effect that if everyone really looked at every religion, nobody would believe in God. She separates faith and reason, which is exactly the point Pope Benedict XVI was making in his speech – we can’t separate faith from reason.

It’s easy for her to believe this because Mohammed had divorced faith from reason long before Martin Luther.

Islam has always been a faith, more correctly a heresy, which has spread by force. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and northern Africa were all once Catholic. Islam conquered them and forced the people to convert or be killed.

Why does Islam do this? Because it divorces faith from reason. Violence occurs everytime faith is divorced from reason, as the Northern Ireland conflict which has been discussed demonstrates.

The Crusades occured not because the “hate-filled” Catholics wanted to kill the peaceful Muslims, as the history revisionists in the media and academia want us to believe, it was in response to the Muslim conquest of formerly Catholic nations.

Read The Great Heresies by Hillaire Belloc to better understand the history of Islam and their goals. Belloc says that Islam is only a threat when they are a majority. Thanks to the “Christian” West’s embrace of contraception and abortion, Islam once again is a majority. Its population is growing while the “Christian” population is shrinking.

Anyone who believes Islam is a religion of peace is ignorant not only of its beliefs but also history. Anyone who believes the West hasn’t been an enabler of Islam to rise and be a threat, thanks to the practice of contraception and abortion, is just ignorant.

 

[Deacon2006]

Imagine just a few years ago Italian police break up a plot to destroy the vatican and perhaps kill The Holy Father and few years before that a muslim man gunned down the Pope. That’s not counting the near genocide of ordinary Christains and clergy in muslism lands over the past few decades, Considering the context of unrepentant evil done by Muslims around the world it makes me want to appauld the BXVI for his sense of Christain restraint.

God Bless

 

[Eireann]

Yes, I know about that. It seemed more a problem caused by a very irresponsible media than anything else, but of course being an informer is extremely dangerous.
Mike

Yes trial by media, the Sunday World exposed his hide-out in Donegal, one week later he had a visit, the rest is history.

Anyway this thread is about the Muslims reaction to the Pope’s speech, and all I can say is it great to see how non violent they are, with their non-violent threats and non-violent protests, and their kind words on those posters.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Imagine just a few years ago Italian police break up a plot to destroy the vatican and perhaps kill The Holy Father and few years before that a muslim man gunned down the Pope. That’s not counting the near genocide of ordinary Christains and clergy in muslism lands over the past few decades, Considering the context of unrepentant evil done by Muslims around the world it makes me want to appauld the BXVI for his sense of Christain restraint.

God Bless

The Muslim man who shot Pope John Paul II, was a hired-gun of the Soviet Union’s KGB. He did it for money, not for Islam, as I recall. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Deacon2006]

The Muslim man who shot Pope John Paul II, was a hired-gun of the Soviet Union’s KGB. He did it for money, not for Islam, as I recall. Correct me if I’m wrong.

When a muslim tries to kill a pope than a muslim tried to kill the Pope. That is the evidence. Paid assasins don’t go on one way ticket jobs. He knew he was going to get caught or killed, thus martyring himself, whether the KGB nutured that thought or not is a red herring and potentially delsuisonal. Why are we so willing to believe that a muslism will kill for the communist revolution yet not kill for Jihad?

God Bless

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Why are we so willing to believe that a muslism will kill for the communist revolution yet not kill for Jihad?

Because just like many Catholics, not all Muslims follow their religion, until it becomes convient or necessary.

I do know it is a fact that the KGB hired this man to assasinate the Pope. The Russian government admitted this a few years ago.

 

[Richardols]

When a muslim tries to kill a pope than a muslim tried to kill the Pope. That is the evidence. Paid assasins don’t go on one way ticket jobs. He knew he was going to get caught or killed, thus martyring himself, whether the KGB nutured that thought or not is a red herring and potentially delsuisonal. Why are we so willing to believe that a muslism will kill for the communist revolution yet not kill for Jihad?

Mehmet Ali Agca was no more a Moslem than Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic. Agca was a Turkish assassin in the service of the KGB via the Bulgarian Secret Police when he shot and wounded JPII. The Italians sentenced him to life imprisonment, but, after serving 19 years of incarceration, he was returned to Turkey where he did another five years for the 1979 murder of a left-wing journalist. He was paroled in January, but the parole was revoked and he’s back in prison. Ağca has described himself as a mercenary with no political orientation, although he is known to have been a member of an ultra-nationalist Turkish organization. He wasn’t a Communist and he wasn’t a jihadi.

 

[bones_IV]

Some committed crimes to be sure, murder in fact. There are over a billion Moslems. How many didn’t commit crimes and riot in proportion to those who did?

Where was their anger at the 9/11 bombings, the subway bombings in Spain and Moslems trashing everything sight in Paris? We heard no protests from Moslems did we? They were gloating. But those same people got angry at the pope didn’t they?

 

[Richardols]

Where was their anger at the 9/11 bombings, the subway bombings in Spain and Moslems trashing everything sight in Paris? We heard no protests from Moslems did we? They were gloating. But those same people got angry at the pope didn’t they?

There was disavowal of those terrorist actions by many Moslem organizations in the US, the UK, and other countries.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

There was disavowal of those terrorist actions by many Moslem organizations in the US, the UK, and other countries.

That is a mediocre response.
What aid was sent to the victims? To the grieving families?
What actions were taken by the Billion against the evildoers?

Today who is seekeing to condemn the people who kill?

What meaning is it if you can lie to “infidels” and so disavow to the infidels but then do nothing about reform? Why should anyone believe these tepid disavowals? 1.1 billion? Pretty quiet for a billion.

 

[Richardols]

That is a mediocre response.
What aid was sent to the victims? To the grieving families?

I don’t know the amounts, but numerous Moslem countries did send money for the 9/11 victims and some to Spain as well.

What actions were taken by the Billion against the evildoers?

The actions to be taken against the terrorists were the responsibilities of the Spanish, French and U.S. governments, not that of ordinary citizens of Moslem countries.

 

[valenzuelaf]

There was disavowal of those terrorist actions by many Moslem organizations in the US, the UK, and other countries.

I have never heard a Major Muslem organization denounce terrorist acts. Do you know of any websites from Muslem organiztions that may. If their out there I’d like to see them.