Muslim world inflamed by Rushdie knighthood

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geezerbob said:
It’s horrifying that some of our citizens make such statements regardless of the fact that there is an ongoing effort to track him down. Try telling that to the SC National Guard regiment that left for Afghanistan last month.
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Mere window dressing to hide the fact the store is empty. I mean come on! The US cant track down ONE guy in a small region in a period of 6 years?! If we devoted as much resources to find Bin Laden as we did to invade Iraq, we would have found this guy in 48 hours max.
 
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Christians should remain silent. Salman is a shameless attention seeker. He has made a career by defiling the sacred. He mocked Joseph and Mary in Midnight’s children. Muslims take their religion seriously. They will not remain silent while a sob blasphemes their religion.Christians, especially Christians in the West, do not take their religion seriously. They are too busy worshiping the nation, liberty, democracy and free markets.
 
mandolin said:
Christians should remain silent. Salman is a shameless attention seeker. He has made a career by defiling the sacred. He mocked Joseph and Mary in Midnight’s children. Muslims take their religion seriously. They will not remain silent while a sob blasphemes their religion.Christians, especially Christians in the West, do not take their religion seriously. They are too busy worshiping the nation, liberty, democracy and free markets.
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Being a Catholic and a Christian, I am insulted by these words of yours. Please don’t attack me because Muslims want to murder someone.

I may disagree with Rushdie, but I will defend his right to say what he wants to say.
 
“I may disagree with Rushdie, but I will defend his right to say what he wants to say.”

My point has been proved. For many Christians freedom of speech is more sacred than Christian beliefs and Christian symbols.
 
mandolin said:
“I may disagree with Rushdie, but I will defend his right to say what he wants to say.”

My point has been proved. For many Christians freedom of speech is more sacred than Christian beliefs and Christian symbols.
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Well, freedom of speech is extremely important. It is part of a God given natural right. God gave each of us free will. You cannot force someone into embracing God, honoring a Christian symbol, or not speaking against a Christian belief. The person has to embrace faith with their own free will. Also, you don’t kill someone for defacing a symbol that you believe in but they do not believe in. The Catholic Church’s most extreme punishment for blasphemy is excommunication, not death.

I don’t honor someone for murdering someone else in the name of their faith. I condem the sin of murder.
 
mandolin said:
Christians should remain silent. Salman is a shameless attention seeker. He has made a career by defiling the sacred. He mocked Joseph and Mary in Midnight’s children. Muslims take their religion seriously. They will not remain silent while a sob blasphemes their religion.Christians, especially Christians in the West, do not take their religion seriously. They are too busy worshiping the nation, liberty, democracy and free markets.
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Wow, talk about ignorance…if by taking you religion seriously you mean threatening to kill all those who threaten us, well we would be threatening many of these Islamists right now…
 
mandolin said:
“I may disagree with Rushdie, but I will defend his right to say what he wants to say.”

My point has been proved. For many Christians freedom of speech is more sacred than Christian beliefs and Christian symbols.
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Free speech is necessary for freedom of religion. We do not have to believe what others say.
 
mandolin said:
Christians should remain silent. Salman is a shameless attention seeker. He has made a career by defiling the sacred. He mocked Joseph and Mary in Midnight’s children. Muslims take their religion seriously. They will not remain silent while a sob blasphemes their religion.Christians, especially Christians in the West, do not take their religion seriously. They are too busy worshiping the nation, liberty, democracy and free markets.
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If by taking religion seriously you mean to defend with violence, then I guess I will pass on this. I do not respect any religion that promotes violence to others of differing beliefs or faith.

If, on the other hand, standing for my faith meant the possibility of my death then I would like to believe that I would defend it with my life.
 
Freedom of religion, and of speech, is indeed important and as is the right to live without violence. But I have a feeling a lot of people here would not be saying these things if, say, Dan Brown was knighted. In that case I bet many Catholics here would be, justly, indignant and raged that his drivel was being honored.
 
Timothy_486 said:
Freedom of religion, and of speech, is indeed important and as is the right to live without violence. But I have a feeling a lot of people here would not be saying these things if, say, Dan Brown was knighted. In that case I bet many Catholics here would be, justly, indignant and raged that his drivel was being honored.
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Being enraged is far different from being threatening and violent. And there stands the difference of civilized and un-civilized reactions.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Being enraged is far different from being threatening and violent. And there stands the difference of civilized and un-civilized reactions.
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Kathleen, nothing enrages me more than the murder of the unborn, than “Catholic politicians” figting for this, I felt spit in the face with the Da vinci Code, from the growing reglious hate speeches that are not that uncommon these days, right to the scummy comments of a Robin Williams.

Yet, actually promoting murder to defend God; or worse in the name of God would be far far worse that the original offense. That’s when love has turned to hate.

We certainly should defend the teachings and our belief in Jesus Christ against those who attack them - even a righteous anger can be reasonable; as Christ demonstrated wielding the whip to chase off the money-changers to cleanse the temple.

So a comparable righteous act today would be something in the means of Fr. Corapi loudly explaining the moral retardation of many we have to live with.

So the Muslims do have the same right to protest Rushdie’s knighthood and Satanic Verses as we do the Da Vinci code so should remind them of the model Christians took. Because Christians are sent to be the models of Christ.
 
Timothy_486 said:
Freedom of religion, and of speech, is indeed important and as is the right to live without violence. But I have a feeling a lot of people here would not be saying these things if, say, Dan Brown was knighted. In that case I bet many Catholics here would be, justly, indignant and raged that his drivel was being honored.
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I can’t imagine a Catholic bishop ordering his flock to murder Dan Brown. As the ayatollah has ordered his flock to murder Rushdie. If the bishop did, he would probably be committing a mortal sin.
 
Here’s the wire story from AP:

LONDON – Muslims angered by Britain’s decision to honour author Salman Rushdie with a knighthood are rallying in London today.
They warn that anger throughout the Islamic world could match the fierce reaction to publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in Denmark in 2006.
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  Protest organizer Anjem Choudray says ``Rushdie is a hate figure across the Muslim world because of his insults to Islam'' and that the knighthood will have ramifications around the world.

  Iran's late spiritual leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, issued a 1989 fatwa, or religious edict, ordering Muslims to kill the writer because his book, ``The Satanic Verses,'' was deemed to insult Islam.
The writer, who was raised Muslim, denied the charge, but was forced to live in hiding for almost a decade.
The British Foreign Office says it has received formal protests over the awarding of the knighthood from Iran and Pakistan.
 
British Muslims burn St George’s flag at anti-Rushdie rally
“This knighthood is just another example of Tony Blair and his government’s attempts to secularize Muslims and reward apostates,” said Anjem Choudray, protest organizer and an ex-head of the British wing of the banned radical group al-Muhajiroun.

“Rushdie is a hate figure across the Muslim world because of his insults to Islam,” Choudray said.

“This honor will have ramifications here and across the world”.
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Recognize Choudray’s name, by the way? You should.
 
gilliam said:
You mean other than defend the right of free speech for decades with his own life? The queen can knight anyone she chooses to. That is what Royalty is all about. You should be speaking out, by the way, against scenes like this:

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That’s a scene in Pakistan. Pakistani officials, secular and religious, are on the record deploring the British knighthood for Rushdie as “insensitive,” but silent on the 1989 Iranian fatwa that would have seen him murdered. That says quite a bit.
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As Gilliam stated, the Queen can knight anyone she wishes. She has knighted a “mixed bag,” which includes the likes of Elton John, the guy who does the voice of Wallace (of “Wallace and Gromit” fame;) even a Welsh snooker player. We may find ourselves bemused at her choices, but it is still her choice, whatever her motive. Hurray for free speech.
 
M-Dent said:
Kathleen, nothing enrages me more than the murder of the unborn, than “Catholic politicians” figting for this, I felt spit in the face with the Da Vinci Code, from the growing religious hate speeches that are not that uncommon these days, right to the scummy comments of a Robin Williams.

Yet, actually promoting murder to defend God; or worse in the name of God would be far far worse that the original offense. That’s when love has turned to hate.

We certainly should defend the teachings and our belief in Jesus Christ against those who attack them - even a righteous anger can be reasonable; as Christ demonstrated wielding the whip to chase off the money-changers to cleanse the temple.

So a comparable righteous act today would be something in the means of Fr. Corapi loudly explaining the moral retardation of many we have to live with.

So the Muslims do have the same right to protest Rushdie’s knighthood and Satanic Verses as we do the Da Vinci code so should remind them of the model Christians took. Because Christians are sent to be the models of Christ.
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But a civilized person does not resort to murder and threats of murder to defend their faith. Fr. Corapi has never told us to kill the author of any book. The Pope has not sent the members of the Catholic Church to kill those that believe different from us. So the situation is not even remotely the same.
 
KathleenElsie said:
But a civilized person does not resort to murder and threats of murder to defend their faith. Fr. Corapi has never told us to kill the author of any book. The Pope has not sent the members of the Catholic Church to kill those that believe different from us
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KathleenElsie said:
So the situation is not even remotely the same.
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The situation is fairly similar (in what offense may be taken) yet the **reactions ** are what differ between Muslim to Christian at least.
 
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