Muslim world inflamed by Rushdie knighthood

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Timothy_486 said:
Oh no! Those evil Muslims! How dare they not speak out against viole… oh wait whats this?

see:
unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
So anyone else wanna say “no Muslims speak out against violence”?
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Thanls for the link, I have asked Muslims here for this kind of info, and was pretty much ignored.

I found this one interesting, though.
Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual guide of Shi‘i Muslim radicals in Lebanon, said he was “horrified” by these “barbaric … crimes”:
“Beside the fact that they are forbidden by Islam, these acts do not serve those who carried them out but their victims, who will reap the sympathy of the whole world. …
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Or maybe I don’t really understand what Muslim radicals are.

I think the real problem is that none of these gentlemen have enough clout to grab media attention.*
 
TEHRAN (Reuters) - A prominent Iranian cleric said on Friday the fatwa death warrant against author Salman Rushdie issued by the late Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989 was “still alive” in the Islamic Republic.
The comments by Ahmad Khatami at Friday prayers broadcast on state radio were the latest sign of the anger in Iran and elsewhere in the Muslim world sparked by Britain’s decision to award a knighthood to Rushdie. Muslims say his novel “The Satanic Verses” blasphemed against the Prophet Mohammad and ridiculed the Koran.

swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/Cleric_says_fatwa_against_Rushdie_still_alive.html?siteSect=143&sid=7951935&cKey=1182509634000
 
mark_a said:
Thanls for the link, I have asked Muslims here for this kind of info, and was pretty much ignored.

I found this one interesting, though.

Or maybe I don’t really understand what Muslim radicals are.

I think the real problem is that none of these gentlemen have enough clout to grab media attention.
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The subject of this thread is Rushdie. Maybe I missed it but can anyone link to prominent Islamic leaders speaking out against the Fatwas asking for the murder of Rushdie?
 
The British Foreign Office says it has received formal protests over the awarding of the knighthood from Iran and Pakistan.
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Rushdie isn’t even a Pakistani or Iranian citizen—he’s a Briton. He doesn’t live in Iran or Pakistan, or any other Islamic country.

So what business is it of Iran or Pakistan (or anybody else other than the UK) to get their sirwals in a wedge over him???

He’s a freakin’ novelist. He poses less of a threat to the world than Ahmadinejad in Iran or Muqtada al-Sadr in Iraq do.

I mean, come on. They get all bent out of shape over a supposed insult to their religion, so they think they have the right to snap their fingers and the rest of the world is supposed to jump???

Fine. We should have the right to snap our fingers concerning the treatment of Christians in Muslim countries, and have them jump to correct it, immediately. What’s fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

Of course, they have no intention of doing any such thing, which is why I for one don’t really have a great heckuva lot of time for them or for their religion or their culture.

If that makes me a bigot, a dinosaur, politically incorrect, or “unchristian”, so be it. I don’t dance to their tune.
 
We Catholics have every right to protest Dan Brown, Jews who call us anti-semetic, Cathoic pro-abortion politicians, but Muslims suddenly can’t protest against what they see as (whether accurate or not) insults against their prophet? Now if some of them start beating up random people in the streets over this, then yes we have a mob that has taken things too far, but the feelings they have right now are probably the same ones Catholics had when “The last temptation” showed Jesus having sex with Mary.
 
Timothy_486 said:
We Catholics have every right to protest Dan Brown, Jews who call us anti-semetic, Cathoic pro-abortion politicians, but Muslims suddenly can’t protest against what they see as (whether accurate or not) insults against their prophet? Now if some of them start beating up random people in the streets over this, then yes we have a mob that has taken things too far, but the feelings they have right now are probably the same ones Catholics had when “The last temptation” showed Jesus having sex with Mary.
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In so much as the red, I’ll say I agree.

As far as the blue, you really cannot conclude that with certainty. One problem is if there are two different fundamental systems of justice and what is right and moral, even if you mix that in with basic human emotions, it’s really hard to come up with that conclusion.

Also you can say that the situation is similar, but that doesn’t make them equal. In an example, if you shoot a person that has come into your house cause he is threatening to harm your children is similar to shooting a friend who comes into your house. In both cases are similar, you are shooting someone who has dropped into your house, but there is one clear distinct difference between the two situations. One case it is used for self-defence, or defense of your family against someone who is doing something wrong. On the other case, the person never showed any intent on harming anyone. Protest is not what is in contention, it is the threat of violence, and the fatwa advocating the murder of Rushdie. Regardless of the fatwa being rescinded or not, if there is going to be protest given the history, there should be a clear and distinct message, that Rushdie’s murder is not being advocated in the protest.
 
From what I have been hearing so far the protests are protesting the fact he was knighted, I know he has been given death threats in the past but i am unaware if any threats were issued against him personally in any of these current protests
 
The Queen surely has the right to Knight anyone she wants.
Walking up to a bee’s nest and poking it with a stick is a basic right as well.
 
a_priori said:
The Queen surely has the right to Knight anyone she wants.
Walking up to a bee’s nest and poking it with a stick is a basic right as well.
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And that person better not complain and whine when the bee’s sting 😉
 
Timothy_486 said:
We Catholics have every right to protest Dan Brown, Jews who call us anti-semetic, Cathoic pro-abortion politicians, but Muslims suddenly can’t protest against what they see as (whether accurate or not) insults against their prophet? Now if some of them start beating up random people in the streets over this, then yes we have a mob that has taken things too far, but the feelings they have right now are probably the same ones Catholics had when “The last temptation” showed Jesus having sex with Mary.
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The Difference, of course, is that when we protest against Dan Bopwn our religious leaders dont call for us to kill him.
 
KathleenElsie said:
If by taking religion seriously you mean to defend with violence, then I guess I will pass on this. I do not respect any religion that promotes violence to others of differing beliefs or faith.

If, on the other hand, standing for my faith meant the possibility of my death then I would like to believe that I would defend it with my life.
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Who said anything about violence? Blasphemers should be shunned and ostracized.
 
gilliam said:
Well, freedom of speech is extremely important. It is part of a God given natural right. God gave each of us free will. You cannot force someone into embracing God, honoring a Christian symbol, or not speaking against a Christian belief. The person has to embrace faith with their own free will. Also, you don’t kill someone for defacing a symbol that you believe in but they do not believe in. The Catholic Church’s most extreme punishment for blasphemy is excommunication, not death.

I don’t honor someone for murdering someone else in the name of their faith. I condem the sin of murder.
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Is freedom of speech more important than Christian belief? Isn’t it idolatry to hold something more important than God. Before westerner began worshipping the cult of the liberated self there were blasphemy laws. Nobody can be forced into"honoring a Christian symbol, or not speaking against a Christian belief" but force is not necessary. How many people in the West deny the Holocaust to exercise the freedom of speech? No force is necessary to keep Holocaust deniers in check.
 
The “Muslim world” needs to realize that all this **** that floats around the “Western world” should be ignored, because not only can we not flush this toilet of a society in which we live, neither can they.

Much of the Muslims get to live in societies dictated by their faith, whereas us Christians in the “West” are forced to live in post-Christian societies that are forcing the Faith out more and more.
 
mandolin said:
Is freedom of speech more important than Christian belief? Isn’t it idolatry to hold something more important than God. Before westerner began worshipping the cult of the liberated self there were blasphemy laws. Nobody can be forced into"honoring a Christian symbol, or not speaking against a Christian belief" but force is not necessary. How many people in the West deny the Holocaust to exercise the freedom of speech? No force is necessary to keep Holocaust deniers in check.
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It seems like a paradox. As christians, our christian belief should be the most important. However, we have to allow the freedom of others not to be christian, which includes the freedom to denounce christianity. It may seem contradictory, it is not–while christian beliefs are paramount, they really can’t be beliefs if they are forced upon people. They can only truly be belief if people accept them of their own free will, which means the freedom to chose otherwise–less it not be a choice at all. (hope that made sense)

getting back to Rushdie, i wish the Islamic world would get this mad at the terrorists who do serious damage to their religion.
 
I wonder if the London attacks had anything to due with this?
 
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