Pretty much, though I’d throw in the additional step that the “toppling of its own weight” would come after it goes through an internal conflict between the various versions of the Islamic faith (though that could come before it gains world dominance if how the various extremists organizations within Islam and without operate [eliminate internal dissent first, then move on to everyone else]).
Yes its not part of the conversation.
Appears to be an Islamic scholar to me. How about you? So why shouldn’t we listen to him?
All else being equal, human behavior is human behavior.
There’s a good Islam in all this thats hard to see for the simple reason you mentioned, human behavior. I would like to believe that anyway. The negative behavior has a similar impact as positive on individuals, perhaps even more since it has a tendency to silence the good. Especially if we are to believe in the theology of the seven deadly sins. To me there’s an incredible struggle of good and evil at the moment in islam.
It became part of the conversation when you decided that it was an honest form of discussion to take parts of one person’s comment, parts from another person’s comment, combine the two and present it as one comment; and instead of addressing your actions when it was pointed out, you instead quoted a completely different comment and asked a completely different question unrelated to the comments you cut and pasted together. Should I assume dishonesty upon your part?
From the vantage point of revealed religions (Judaism/Christianity), Islam’s fatal error is that it denies Christ, and the free will we received form God. It fails also to address the source of love and of mankind’s search for it. Yet it routinely incites violence. We know that God inspires, but the evil one incites.
Sidebar, its not about me or you but the OP. And to that confrontation you have no response which is why I have to assume its easier to revert to the AD HOMINEM.
So you see the good imprisoned by their own belief. I guess it depends on how sharia is objectively viewed. To many muslims that is freedom. They don’t see a separation of carnal and spiritual. Which isn’t a bad thing, but the carnal aspect has questionable restrictions. The problem is compassion, tolerance and empathy.
Perhaps they do not see the flesh as waging war against the spirit, but only the spirit animating the flesh to fulfill the “prophet’s” words.
Since you seem to be having issue understanding that taking part of a quote from one person and combining with part of a quote from another person to present it as one quote and then refusing to acknowledge this and instead throw out a completely different question forces one to conclude that the person who undertaking said actions is somehow trying inject dishonesty into the conversation, I’ll set your mind at ease concerning the scholar you cited.Sidebar, its not about me or you but the OP. And to that confrontation you have no response which is why I have to assume its easier to revert to the AD HOMINEM.
Its not personal, it was a simple question.
Thanks for proving the intent of my question to the OP about why he cited a non-Islamic scholar’s self-admitted opinion piece instead of citing an Islamic scholar. My goodness, now our discussion has some actual “meat on the bone” and can be built around what Muslims actually think about peaceful co-existence instead of having a discussion based around what non-Muslims and non-Islamic scholars think Muslims think. Way to go.True, yet I have talked with Muslims who see this and also see Christianity as a counterweight. This is why I think the real Islam the world is yet to see isn’t here “yet”. But, by the same token much of the same can be said about Christianity. Not to appeal to relativism. No way around the seven deadly sins, without forgiveness your left on your own to contend with a fractured nature.
Still we see this with Judaism. And they personally spoke with Him.
Your above really only applies to those Muslims who know Christianity to be the 100%, Grade A, etc truth and true faith and continue to follow Islam anyway. I would imagine that the vast majority of Muslims (and non-Catholics in general) continue with their faith because they don’t know their faith is in error and/or the Catholic faith is the true faith.
I still don’t see why Isis self proclaimed inherit to Mohammed is wrong about anything Islamic, strictly speaking. Where is he wrong?
I don’t think we need to put such a fine point on it. It is illogical no matter the subject. If Muhammad is to be believed, why wasn’t he preserved from the devil’s influence at his birth? And to knowingly choose him over One who Muslims believe was not influenced by the devil at birth? Illogical.
The poster I responded to wrote- “Why they would choose not to believe Jesus, who was not touched by satan at his birth, and follow Muhammad, who was, is beyond me. That is a foundational contradiction.”
I bought it up and its no secret for anyone reading. and its in relation to the OP and post #2. Which btw is your post. But you know that.Where exactly can one find anything to do with ISIS or it’s self-assertion it’s version of Islam is the authentic version as practiced by Muhammad in the poster’s question or my response? Let me guess, I’m just engaging in a sidebar just like my repeated attempts to understand why you cut and pasted two different comments together and presented them as one and my as yet unanswered response to the scholar you linked.
They believe in Jesus as a man and as a prophet, but not as God.
Really? That’s what you did? So you didn’t take this- “, but there in Traditional Islam there is a very strong value placed on following received tradition.” from one of Bakmoon’s post and combine it with this- “Short answer is yes to the conquering the world part.” from one of my posts and present it as this- “, but there in Traditional Islam there is a very strong value placed on following received tradition.Short answer is yes to the conquering the world part.” as can be clearly seen is the case in post #28 of this thread? You didn’t do that?
And thats an issue, but in relation to say Judaism or other faiths I don’t see a grave difference, do you?
Thats what I did. Is that illegal? But that you knew the difference in the two is self explained above. I forgot to add his name which you did. My apology. Can we move on from the baiting and sidebar? I really don’t see an issue but a continued distraction with posts which have nothing to to do with anything such as this.