Muslims - Prove that islam existed before muhammad..

[happilycatholic]

A billion times I’ve been told? Were you keeping count? A lie doesn’t earn truth by repetition.

Muslims do understand what you believe, and reject it totally, they reject that a human being could be God. They do blaspheme who say that God is the son of Mary.

Just because you keep saying it doesn’t mean I’m going to believe it, it doesn’t make it true.

Leave Sister Amy to her Islam for crikey sake. When we get to Heaven we’ll put in a good word for her when she approaches Jesus and He says he doesn’t know her. She’ll drop Muhammad’s name and Jesus will look at her funny and that’s when we’ll vouch for all her good intentions and get her to the front of the line

Don’t worry Sister Amy, we know People. We’ll take care of ya at the gate.

HC

 

[Booklover]

You mean our “corrupted” Bible…

You ought to partner with planten. He’s got all of the Bible quotes handy.

Round and round the mulberry bush… I’m beginning to get dizzy! :whacky::hypno:

Vickie

 

[Sister_Amy]

Mohammed could not have been a prophet from the same God.

There are many many reasons, one that I would like to highlight is the commandment to convert people to islam by fighting them.

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Nowhere in judaism is a prophet commanded to fight a population to spread judaism.

Thus the deities of islam and judaism are different.

To spread judaism?

Prophets were commanded to fight in Judaism, though. Weren’t they?

 

[Sister_Amy]

You mean our “corrupted” Bible…

You ought to partner with planten. He’s got all of the Bible quotes handy.

You want proof from the Bible but as soon as I bring it up you’re telling me you won’t accept it?

 

[dolphinlove]

Abraham was a Muslim–he did not believe that Jesus Christ was divine or that God had a son, nor did he believe in the trinity. Moses was a Muslim–he did not believe that Jesus Christ was divine or that God had a son, nor did he believe in the trinity.

Um, do you know history at all? Jesus came after BOTH of them… so how could they know what was going to happen with Jesus and the trinity?
And the fact that Moses spoke to Jesus… well…
Mat 17
1 Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother John and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
2 There in their presence he was transfigured: his face shone like the sun and his clothes became as dazzling as light.
3 And suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared to them; they were talking with him.
4 Then Peter spoke to Jesus. ‘Lord,’ he said, ‘it is wonderful for us to be here; if you want me to, I will make three shelters here, one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.’
5 He was still speaking when suddenly a bright cloud covered them with shadow, and suddenly from the cloud there came a voice which said, ‘This is my Son, the Beloved; he enjoys my favour. **Listen to him.’ **

I highlighted some bits for your sake…

Which makes Catholics different then all the prophets, doesn’t it!

We believe in all the true prophets. Not false ones.

No, that’s not why I accept Muhammad. I only accept him because of the Qur’an, which god revealed.

Big mistake

Well Muhammad wasn’t sent to the Muslims, silly, he was sent to all of mankind, which means that you do have to accept him–at least, you do if you believe in God and want to submit to Him. Christians didn’t have to accept him before he came, but now he came and so you do.

God gave us free will, we dont have to accept a false prophet at all. I would never give up Jesus for that false prophet. So, since you are telling us what we have to do, ill tell you you HAVE to accept Jesus, as he is God. By submitting, or as you put it, islaming yourself to muhammad, your making a grave mistake young lady

Well obviously. Nobody needed you to prove that–it’s all over the Qur’an.

Which is what, muhammads idea of a religion…

 

[GodIsGracious]

Amy (I will no longer call you “sister”),

At the very least, I have proved that you cannot use the Bible as proof for the existence of Islam before Muhammad.

Now. Prove Islam existed.

You can’t. You know it. You can’t.

And to admit otherwise would be to proclaim yourself an infidel, and by your belief that would probably damn you.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Leave Sister Amy to her Islam for crikey sake. When we get to Heaven we’ll put in a good word for her when she approaches Jesus and He says he doesn’t know her. She’ll drop Muhammad’s name and Jesus will look at her funny and that’s when we’ll vouch for all her good intentions and get her to the front of the line

Don’t worry Sister Amy, we know People. We’ll take care of ya at the gate.

HC

I think you’ll be worried about your own self as soon as your soul leaves your body. That’s when it will start. And then you’ll be resurrected in your body along with the rest of humanity, you’ll see the earth stretched out and everyone running around, and maybe you will wonder where Jesus is and why he isn’t saving you, until you hear God ask him about this “son of God” business, and then you’ll realize you were following a lie.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Round and round the mulberry bush… I’m beginning to get dizzy! :whacky::hypno:

Vickie

Stop chasing your tail, then.

 

[happilycatholic]

You want proof from the Bible but as soon as I bring it up you’re telling me you won’t accept it?

Hold on a minute. You are using a compilation of Scripture written by Jews and Christians, codified by catholics, containing what you believe to be false information from a false God and half of which (NT) is lies written by the liars themselves.

I think you’d better get your OWN Islamic source. This one just doesn’t work for you Sister Amy.

Doesn’t make much sense. It’s a Christian source, we know what it says.

 

[Booklover]

Leave Sister Amy to her Islam for crikey sake. When we get to Heaven we’ll put in a good word for her when she approaches Jesus and He says he doesn’t know her. She’ll drop Muhammad’s name and Jesus will look at her funny and that’s when we’ll vouch for all her good intentions and get her to the front of the line

Don’t worry Sister Amy, we know People. We’ll take care of ya at the gate.

HC

I can’t stop laughing…

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

I can’t stop laughing…

Vickie

5 pages deep into this - 67+ replies and no answers… but I’ve had many belly laughs from many of you, including Amy.

 

[Booklover]

I think you’ll be worried about your own self as soon as your soul leaves your body. That’s when it will start. And then you’ll be resurrected in your body along with the rest of humanity, you’ll see the earth stretched out and everyone running around, and maybe you will wonder where Jesus is and why he isn’t saving you, until you hear God ask him about this “son of God” business, and then you’ll realize you were following a lie.

Oh Sister Amy, Sister Amy, is having a sense of humor also prohibited by Islam? You Muslims take yourselves too seriously.

Vickie

 

[happilycatholic]

I think you’ll be worried about your own self as soon as your soul leaves your body. That’s when it will start. And then you’ll be resurrected in your body along with the rest of humanity, you’ll see the earth stretched out and everyone running around, and maybe you will wonder where Jesus is and why he isn’t saving you, until you hear God ask him about this “son of God” business, and then you’ll realize you were following a lie.

No, because I beleive Jesus died for that soul and every soul that accepts Him as Lord and Savior. God has known you and I by name since we were born (and before) and I am not the one denying His Son whom gave His life for you and I.

So when I get to Heaven the first thing I’ll do is receive communion with and the Saints, Angels and God Himself. I will sit at the Table of Plenty with my God.

**Edit: It was meant as levity, but I see I overstepped a boundry. I apologize.

HC

 

[Sister_Amy]

Um, do you know history at all? Jesus came after BOTH of them… so how could they know what was going to happen with Jesus and the trinity?

Oh come on, now. That’s the fatal flaw of Christianity! It only exists after Jesus! If the “true religion” means a person has to worship Jesus then nobody before Jesus could know! Based on your mostly rhetorical question implying that even Prophets didn’t know what would happen!

That’s why Islam makes so much sense! Why it makes sense that Abraham was following the true religion before God, and so was Moses, and all the other prophets, even if they lived before Jesus.

We believe in all the true prophets. Not false ones.

Calling a true one false won’t save you.

God gave us free will, we dont have to accept a false prophet at all. I would never give up Jesus for that false prophet. So, since you are telling us what we have to do, ill tell you you HAVE to accept Jesus, as he is God. By submitting, or as you put it, islaming yourself to muhammad, your making a grave mistake young lady.

Young lady? I accept Jesus and love Jesus as a messenger of God, as the Messiah. But my worship I reserve for the Lord of the Worlds, Who has no need of sustenance, and Who sustains us, Who created the heavens and the earth, and Who never dies.

 

[Hypatia]

I accept Jesus and love Jesus as a messenger of God, as the Messiah. But my worship I reserve for the Lord of the Worlds, Who has no need of sustenance, and Who sustains us, Who created the heavens and the earth, and Who never dies.

Ameen.

 

[dolphinlove]

Abraham was a Muslim, and his sons, and his grandson and then the tribes of Israel. Moses was. Jesus was, and so were his followers. (3:52.)

yeah, according to the quran which, btw, DOES NOT come from God!

Being Jewish or Christian doesn’t preclude one from being Muslim.

Yes it does, Being Jewish means your Jewish, being Christian means your Christian, do you understand something as simple as this?

However, as you refuse to accept some of God’s Messengers and Scriptures, that does take you out of Islam.

Again, i accept Gods true scriptures, but this coming from you… Thanks be to Lord Jesus im not in Islam!!! woo hoo yippeeeeeeeeee woo hoo hoo yeeee haaaa :extrahappy:

 

[dolphinlove]

A billion times I’ve been told? Were you keeping count? A lie doesn’t earn truth by repetition.

Muslims do understand what you believe, and reject it totally, they reject that a human being could be God. They do blaspheme who say that God is the son of Mary.

Just because you keep saying it doesn’t mean I’m going to believe it, it doesn’t make it true.

and vice versa love!
And no, ive lost count after a billion…

 

[Sister_Amy]

Amy (I will no longer call you “sister”),

Why?

At the very least, I have proved that you cannot use the Bible as proof for the existence of Islam before Muhammad.

Have you? How have you proved I cannot use the Bible? It’s YOUR book isn’t it? Islam is all over it. Do you not believe your own Bible?

Now. Prove Islam existed.

Go look at a mountain, and see Islam. That mountain has been there for how long, do you think? However long it’s been there, it has been in a state of Islam.

And to admit otherwise would be to proclaim yourself an infidel, and by your belief that would probably damn you.

You haven’t proved anything, and now you’re trying to put me on the defensive. So afraid are you of Islam, so afraid of truth. So afraid that you’re not even making any sense.

Tell me what proof you will accept. I accept the Qur’an, and you don’t. So I offered the Bible. I’m rather now confused at why you don’t even accept the Bible.

What about Islam is so scary?

Knowing that Jesus isn’t there to “put in a good word?”

 

[Sister_Amy]

Oh Sister Amy, Sister Amy, is having a sense of humor also prohibited by Islam? You Muslims take yourselves too seriously.

Vickie

I take the Day of Judgment very seriously.

 

[Hypatia]

Yes it does, Being Jewish means your Jewish, being Christian means your Christian, do you understand something as simple as this?

I think this has probably been explained to you enough that by know you know this is not what we believe. You may believe that. But it is not Islamic. Once again Islam holds that anyone who submits themselves to God is Muslim: Jew, Christian, Buddhist, (3-headed monster from the planet Morg ), etc. This is why we accept the Jewish prophets (pbut), for instance.