Muslins and the BVM

[mangy_dog]

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.

It is not as innocuous as it sounds is my point.

You “follow the example of Abraham” and Abraham did not know of Mary Mother of God. He only knew that there would be a Messiah in the distant future.

No one “worships Mary”. You assume a lot when you repeat this error. Nor do we worship the saints.
As far as Jesus…Jesus brought Abraham and all the just souls from before His time- out of the Purgatory of the Fathers.

Abraham rejoiced in seeing Jesus and recognized Him immediately as the Lord and God of all.

Don’t be too quick in lumping Judaism with Islam. The Jews are God’s chosen people.

 

[Luvtosew]

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.

I have a quest. Ok Muslins and Christians all believe the BVM is the only woman we know of that gave birth without a man, became with child from God himself,

is that true for Muslins that the BVM is the only woman that gave birth without a human man?

So if so, why do yous consider Jesus as just a prophet and not the begotton son of God, or Allah the name of your God? wouldn’t Jesus be more than just another prophet since he is the only human man born of a virgin?

 

[GaryTaylor]

I have a quest. Ok Muslins and Christians all believe the BVM is the only woman we know of that gave birth without a man, became with child from God himself,

is that true for Muslins that the BVM is the only woman that gave birth without a human man?

So if so, why do yous consider Jesus as just a prophet and not the begotton son of God, or Allah the name of your God? wouldn’t Jesus be more than just another prophet since he is the only human man born of a virgin?

Yous, is that like a Ya’ll? Anyway…Good question Luv. did Mohammad have a mother and father, brothers and sisters?

 

[Luvtosew]

Yous, is that like a Ya’ll? Anyway…Good question Luv. did Mohammad have a mother and father, brothers and sisters?

I think its a upper Mi thing, like hey ya know? I know yous is not proper , but I use it all the time anyway. We’ll have to wait for our friend to answer, as I forget if he did or didn’t.

 

[Trebor135]

We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

What do you make of this passage from Genesis chapter 33?

[1] And Jacob lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, Esau was coming, and four hundred men with him. So he divided the children among Leah and Rachel and the two maids.
[2] And he put the maids with their children in front, then Leah with her children, and Rachel and Joseph last of all.
[3] He himself went on before them, bowing himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
[4] But Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck and kissed him, and they wept.
[5] And when Esau raised his eyes and saw the women and children, he said, “Who are these with you?” Jacob said, “The children whom God has graciously given your servant.”
[6] Then the maids drew near, they and their children, and bowed down;
[7] Leah likewise and her children drew near and bowed down; and last Joseph and Rachel drew near, and they bowed down.

Are Jacob and Esau being worshipped in this account?

That is monotheism sir.

All Christians who show proper respect to St. Mary and her sibling saints are absolutely monotheistic.

Sunni Muslims believe that the Qur’an was eternally existent with God before all creation. Is the Qur’an a second god?

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

Yes. But I’d like to ask what you think of this statement from 1 Chronicles chapter 29:

[20] Then David said to all the assembly, “Bless the LORD your God.” And all the assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers, and bowed their heads, and worshiped the LORD, and did obeisance to the king.

Are the Israelites worshipping King David?

And your (name removed by moderator)ut on this passage from Genesis chapter 23 is welcome too:

[1] Sarah lived a hundred and twenty-seven years; these were the years of the life of Sarah.
[2] And Sarah died at Kir’iath-ar’ba (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan; and Abraham went in to mourn for Sarah and to weep for her.
[3] And Abraham rose up from before his dead, and said to the Hittites,
[4] “I am a stranger and a sojourner among you; give me property among you for a burying place, that I may bury my dead out of my sight.”
[5] The Hittites answered Abraham,
[6] “Hear us, my lord; you are a mighty prince among us. Bury your dead in the choicest of our sepulchres; none of us will withhold from you his sepulchre, or hinder you from burying your dead.”
[7] Abraham rose and bowed to the Hittites, the people of the land.
[8] And he said to them, “If you are willing that I should bury my dead out of my sight, hear me, and entreat for me Ephron the son of Zohar,
[9] that he may give me the cave of Mach-pe’lah, which he owns; it is at the end of his field. For the full price let him give it to me in your presence as a possession for a burying place.”
[10] Now Ephron was sitting among the Hittites; and Ephron the Hittite answered Abraham in the hearing of the Hittites, of all who went in at the gate of his city,
[11] “No, my lord, hear me; I give you the field, and I give you the cave that is in it; in the presence of the sons of my people I give it to you; bury your dead.”

Is Abraham worshipping the Hitite nation?

To you your religion, and to me mine.

In your opinion, should Muslims who become Christian in Egypt be allowed to follow their new religion without facing persecution from society and government?

 

[kellerk]

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.

Whoa…first we do not worship Mary or any other saints. There is a difference in veneration and worship! Do you worship Mohammad? I think not. As far as following the example of Abraham…Jesus tells us in John 8:58. “Verily, Verily I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses “I AM WHO I AM, this is what you are to say to the Israelites, I AM sent me to you”. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Not 2 but 1…monotheism. Question: Are you not to follow the example of Mohammad? I’d say there is quite a bit of difference between Abraham and Mohammad.

 

[MartinJordan]

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.

How about coming to Mass and see how Catholics worship God? It may be “too much” for you but you will definitely notice no where do we say we worship the Virgin Mary.

Here read this for some idea :

The purposes for which the Mass is offered are: first, to adore God as our Creator and Lord; second, **to thank God for His many favors; third, to ask God to bestow His blessings on all men; fourth, to satisfy the justice of God **for the sins committed against Him.

MJ

 

[dolphinlove]

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.

Who on earth told you we ‘worship’ Mary and the Saints? Whoever it is is very wrong.
The first line of our creed is ‘we believe in ONE God’

Our worship of God is much more serious than you think or have been told.

I could accuse you of worshipping a big black rock in SA since you bow to it and pray to it.

 

[FRANK1046]

I thought that the main part of the Mass ,was turning the bread and wine into the true body of Christ.Which would be the last supper.That the alter is the sacrificial alter, which the Lam of God was sacrificed for our sins.and we share in that last supper.
Frank