Muslins and the BVM

[Luvtosew]

Here is the tafsir for 9:30

**“Those who were involved in Kufr before them” were the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians, etc. The Jews and the Christians were so influenced by their philosophies, their superstitions and fancies that they also invented erroneous creeds like theirs. **

Source: englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfootnote31sym

Thanks for the link . I have bookmarked it, its probably good for all of us to read the Quran, to realize what Islam is all about and what they believe. Between Christianity and Islam, well they say in the end times , there will only be one religion on earth, and who are the fighters, certaintly not Christians. The Muslim pop is growing fast in the US and many come in through the Mexican boarders. The world is a scarey place now. We don’t need to be scared though as we have God on our side.(our God, the real God of Creation).

 

[jakasaki]

The Muslim pop is growing fast in the US and many come in through the Mexican boarders…

I agree the muslim population is growing fast not only in the US, but world wide.

What I do disagree is with they are coming in through the Mexican borders, just out of curiosity, I researched the Mexican demographics, especially under religion:

Population in Mexico for 2011 was 113,724,226

Catholics 74,612,373

Protestant and Evangelical 4,408,159

Adventism, Mormonism & Jehovah’s Witnesses 2,704,917

Judaism 45,260

No Religion 2,982,929

Not specified 732,630

 

[Trebor135]

I agree the muslim population is growing fast not only in the US, but world wide.

What I do disagree is with they are coming in through the Mexican borders, just out of curiosity, I researched the Mexican demographics, especially under religion:

Population in Mexico for 2011 was 113,724,226

Catholics 74,612,373

Protestant and Evangelical 4,408,159

Adventism, Mormonism & Jehovah’s Witnesses 2,704,917

Judaism 45,260

No Religion 2,982,929

Not specified 732,630

Something seems fishy here.

Adding up the various groups (Catholic, Jewish, etc.), we get a total number of religious adherents and non-adherents standing at 85,486,268.

Subtracting that figure from the total population of 113,724,226, we get a huge group of Mexicans whose religious affiliation or non-affiliation is completely unaccounted for, totaling 28,237,958.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I agree the muslim population is growing fast not only in the US, but world wide.

What I do disagree is with they are coming in through the Mexican borders, just out of curiosity, I researched the Mexican demographics, especially under religion:

Population in Mexico for 2011 was 113,724,226

Catholics 74,612,373

Protestant and Evangelical 4,408,159

Adventism, Mormonism & Jehovah’s Witnesses 2,704,917

Judaism 45,260

No Religion 2,982,929

Not specified 732,630

Interesting I have heard this yet never placed much thought in it. I read much on the persecution of Catholics their last century. Tough period for sure.

The Apostolic Churchs have been dealing with this a very long time. Disturbing is what it is.

 

[jakasaki]

Something seems fishy here.

Adding up the various groups (Catholic, Jewish, etc.), we get a total number of religious adherents and non-adherents standing at 85,486,268.

Subtracting that figure from the total population of 113,724,226, we get a huge group of Mexicans whose religious affiliation or non-affiliation is completely unaccounted for, totaling 28,237,958.

Yeah OK - I did not do any math

I’ve never heard of any “muslims” coming over the border from Mexico into America.

 

[Trebor135]

Yeah OK - I did not do any math

I wasn’t accusing you of falsifying the data, but expressing concern over the reliability of the source(s) you were using in good faith.

I’ve never heard of any “muslims” coming over the border from Mexico into America.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a few al-Qa’ida guys have attempted to sneak into the U.S. by way of the Mexican border. I have no media or academic sources that can be cited to demonstrate so, however.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Yeah OK - I did not do any math

I’ve never heard of any “muslims” coming over the border from Mexico into America.

The Border Patrol has found many items from “Other Than Mexicans” including Middle Eastern prayer rugs, papers, etc. I don’t know if anyone from the Middle East has actually died on this side of the border but that happens very frequently in the desert where the crossings are dangerous because of heat/lack of water.

Arab terrorists cross border

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I wasn’t accusing you of falsifying the data, but expressing concern over the reliability of the source(s) you were using in good faith.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a few al-Qa’ida guys have attempted to sneak into the U.S. by way of the Mexican border. I have no media or academic sources that can be cited to demonstrate so, however.

I am afraid it is WAY more than a few. The wide-open border is well-known to our enemies.

Middle Eastern Terrorists on the AZ border

 

[Luvtosew]

I agree I think its a real threat to our security, theres no way to know who really is getting in . I know a few years ago I read about a few that got caught and they were affilated with terrorist groups. It doesn’t take a lot of , but theres plenty of them here all over scattered about just sleeping. Right now they are busy in the Middle East and then watch out. I sound like doom and gloom, but its just getting worst over there, and its been too quiet here. I remember the twin towers, kinda like Noahs ark , surprise!!!.

 

[kellerk]

I agree I think its a real threat to our security, theres no way to know who really is getting in . I know a few years ago I read about a few that got caught and they were affilated with terrorist groups. It doesn’t take a lot of , but theres plenty of them here all over scattered about just sleeping. Right now they are busy in the Middle East and then watch out. I sound like doom and gloom, but its just getting worst over there, and its been too quiet here. I remember the twin towers, kinda like Noahs ark , surprise!!!.

This is one reason why I always like make a point about watching how we deal with this “religious freedom” controversy going on right now. Of course, I know this debate is complicated but, I just think we should be making some clear definitions now regarding this issue keeping in mind how it would play out when the issue is turned to the freedom to practice sharia in the US. I think the idea is to defeat us from within. Infiltrate the government and use our own system against us.

 

[Luvtosew]

This is one reason why I always like make a point about watching how we deal with this “religious freedom” controversy going on right now. Of course, I know this debate is complicated but, I just think we should be making some clear definitions now regarding this issue keeping in mind how it would play out when the issue is turned to the freedom to practice sharia in the US. I think the idea is to defeat us from within. Infiltrate the government and use our own system against us.

I can’t agree more, I think your so right, it will take us by surprise, and I do think they are in our goverment. I think there is so much we don’t even know. All of our news on TV is closely monitored, well its not news anymore, just opinions. We hear something and then there is no follow up to it. Yes religious freedom involves all faiths not just Christians.

 

[kellerk]

Please expand your thoughts on that. I find it hard to compare anti-catholic sentiment to the threat of Islamic extremist willing to murder anyone that does not share their beliefs.

 

[Trebor135]

I am afraid it is WAY more than a few. The wide-open border is well-known to our enemies.

Middle Eastern Terrorists on the AZ border

Can you give other, more scholarly citations? The author of that article employs only two external sources, and she makes some elementary geopolitical errors here:

In this Tucson sector, captured illegals were Middle Eastern and spoke Farsi or Arabic. A large number of these that were apprehended escaped capture and disappeared into the United States.

The Arizona desert is littered with evidence of illegals coming from countries that are violently opposed to and stated enemies of America; especially countries like Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, and the spreading al-Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah.

• Didn’t Iraq’s Saddam Hussein regime fall all the way back in 2003, and hasn’t it been replaced since then by a new government that was propped up by 150,000 U.S. troops for several years?
• Hasn’t Pakistan been cooperating, to a certain extent, with the U.S. in the fight against al-Qa’ida and the Taliban? (At least a thousand of its troops have been killed in that war, and Islamabad hasn’t taken serious action to stop Washington from continuing the drone strikes against targets in the tribal areas.)
• Somalia’s transitional government, as far as I know, controls hardly any of the country’s territory today, so is Mogadishu really in a position to send secret agents to infiltrate the U.S.?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Can you give other, more scholarly citations? The author of that article employs only two external sources, and she makes some elementary geopolitical errors here:

• Didn’t Iraq’s Saddam Hussein regime fall all the way back in 2003, and hasn’t it been replaced since then by a new government that was propped up by 150,000 U.S. troops for several years?
• Hasn’t Pakistan been cooperating, to a certain extent, with the U.S. in the fight against al-Qa’ida and the Taliban? (At least a thousand of its troops have been killed in that war, and Islamabad hasn’t taken serious action to stop Washington from continuing the drone strikes against targets in the tribal areas.)
• Somalia’s transitional government, as far as I know, controls hardly any of the country’s territory today, so is Mogadishu really in a position to send secret agents to infiltrate the U.S.?

She is talking about terrorists, not “secret agents.” These men owe their allegiance not to their countries but their organization such as Al-Qaida.

But as for Pakistan…No, they are NOT our friends.

 

[AbuAbdullah]

Hello All, iam new

Back to the question:
Every muslim is commanded to love Mary(Peace be upon her) and Prophet Jesus( Peace be upon him). The reason we dont speak much of her and the three other four greatest women( 2) Khadija, Prophet Muhammad’s wife, Asiya, Wife of Pharoa and Fatima, Daughter of Muhammad PBUH) is because those are a people that have passed away; for them is what they earned(their faith, deeds) and for us what we earn(our faith, deeds); and we will not be asked of what they did.
We mention Allah swt, The Creator of All things. Glorify His Name as did Prophets Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(Peace be upon them).

So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, “O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?” **she said, “It is from Allah . Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account.” **

And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.

O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]."

However we mention their(Mary, Khadija, Fatima & Asiya) stories so that we could learn from their strong faith, modesty in lifestyle and piety.

Peace be unto those who follow true guidance.

 

[kellerk]

Imo likely met Catholic traders who ventured further East who spoke about it to him. Muhammad being a businessman at that thus took some thoughts into his moments alone and jettisoned what didn’t make sense to him and came up with his own version :dts:

MJ

Actually, I believe one of his wives were learned in the area of the scriptures. Or maybe an uncle. Definitely got skewed somewhere along the way!

 

[Trebor135]

Actually, I believe one of his wives were learned in the area of the scriptures. Or maybe an uncle. Definitely got skewed somewhere along the way!

He had an uncle, Warraqa ibn Nawfal, who was a (Nestorian?) “Christian”.

 

[AbuAbdullah]

He had an uncle, Warraqa ibn Nawfal, who was a (Nestorian?) “Christian”.

Warraqa promised to support his cause if he lived long.
He warned his cousin that the polytheists would turn against him just like the pagans turned against Abraham, Noah and many other prophets living in hostile environment.

 

[mangy_dog]

It all sounds pretty innocuous…

Jesus was just a prophet; Mary is just the mother of Jesus; peace be unto them etc etc etc.

However:

Jesus is the One True Lord and God of all.

Saint John the Baptist is the most important prophet of them all. He announced and was the precursor of the Messiah, Jesus Christ-the One, True Lord and God of all.

Mary is the Theotokos, Aeiparthenos, Kecharitomene.

Peace be unto y’all.

 

[AbuAbdullah]

It all sounds pretty innocuous…

Jesus was just a prophet; Mary is just the mother of Jesus; peace be unto them etc etc etc.

However:

Jesus is the One True Lord and God of all.

Saint John the Baptist is the most important prophet of them all. He announced and was the precursor of the Messiah, Jesus Christ-the One, True Lord and God of all.

Mary is the Theotokos, Aeiparthenos, Kecharitomene.

Peace be unto y’all.

It may sound innocuous to Catholics.
We follow the example of Abraham who did not worship Mary(Peace be upon her) ,Jesus PBUH or the saints. He worshiped only God the Creator.

That is monotheism sir.

Islam and Judaism are very strict when it comes to worshiping God.

To you your religion, and to me mine.