Must every woman be a feminist?

[Patri]

Yes, I say to people I’m not a feminist and add that I’m pro human rights. I also think I should make clear to them that not everything is OK and that one does not just have to accept all labels. That I am a woman is evident, undisputed and I accept willingly and embrace that I am under the gender God created me in. That I am catholic, I chose and I think it is way more important for me to answer to that and to bring souls to Christ (or help). Being a human rights activist, that I am. A feminist? I decline to accept that label or what today the movement stands for. I can fight for the rights of anyone as a Catholic woman and it is what I want to do and what I am called to do.

 

[Aquinas11]

Still leaving an average 30,000-50,000 eggs

From your source

“Doctors estimate that while our bodies may naturally ovulate only 400 times in our lives, we lose upwards of 1,000 follicles—potential eggs—per month, and that loss accelerates as we get older.”

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Feminism does argue for the rights of men. RGB won her big case arguing for a father’s paternity leave. This is widely considered a feminist victory on many levels.

I am not sure who RGB is as I pretty much never listen to feminists anymore because… I was a teenager in the 1970’s and ever since then I have heard the same arguments from feminists. I used to buy into it and believed it. Even came to say the same things myself, until I returned to the Church and my life changed.

So, after all these years I can honestly say I have almost never heard a femininst woman speak favorably about men. Families have been destroyed and children hurt, so in all charity, I find one instance of helping a man a little difficult to make the case that the feminist movement fights for men’s rights.

God bless.

 

[JMMJ]

RBG is one of our Supreme Court justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Thank you. Yes, I do know who that is.

 

[Anicette]

I agree.

I think lot of feminism come from from the feeling of suffering, or the fear of suffering an injustice.

But not all women feel they suffer from teir woman’s condition! So don’t feel the need to milit in a an excessive way.

And note, feminism causes is not only abortion, contraceptionquality in family role, workplace and in in all areas o live. All these can be more or less wrong.

New feminism causes are more oriented about sexual abuse, “sexist” behavior and notices, gynecological and obstetrical violence. Sometimes about motherhood issues too.

The problem with a “real feminist” is that you rarely have one without the other. You can follow her to fight obsterical violence, but you would quickly known that she milit heavily against the conscience clause for abortion…Annoying.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Like I said, I do not want to be under that umbrella. I don’t understand why insist in calling me a feminist when I have stated clearly I don’t identify. I am a Catholic woman, that is all.

You can just say you are an egalitarian.

 

[Patri]

I much prefer that term.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Or a Christian

 

[Patri]

Works for me too.

 

[Lea101]

nowhere does the Pope say husbands and wives were not to serve each other…

Yup, we don’t disagree here.

Pope Paul JPII also highly encouraged fighting for the family. What would he say today?

I don’t think he will say anything drastically different. He saw what we are dealing with. He has called for a “new feminism”, which I agree with.

Personally, I do not like the title SAHM. Women who have babies are moms. Moms have responsibilities and there is work involved there. We should just be called moms.

There are mothers with jobs, mothers who are unemployed. The term is to just differentiate the two categories when necessary. As we’re talking about jobs here, the term is pretty relevant. in general we should understand there’s no need for a petty divide as most want the best for their families and themselves.

This too is my point, babies are not balls of chains. Women can and should follow dreams but in seasons. Going slow and waiting is not the encouragement one receives from feminism

Yup. But to be fair, going slow and waiting is not the encouragement one receives from…well anti feminism either. Everyone has their own timelines. Whether that’s a working mom of a 2 year old, or a mother who started after her youngest child became a teenager. Best if we would just trust and love them.

This might be another thread, I am not sure what you are exactly saying.

It’s definitely another topic, but I was just reacting to your statement about how blurred gender roles is causing problems. Conservatives tend to flop flop on this when liberals reinforce gender norms regarding trans issues. But yes, another topic.

Choice is something frequently heard by feminists but who chooses for the children and the family

The whole point of feminism was to advance women’s rights to achieve equality. Emphasis on women. That’s like saying why are people so focused on black issues during the civil rights, when there are other vulnerable groups in the population.

Adopting feminism alone is a fool’s errand. You would have to look at your family and community as well. My point is that sometimes they are not at odds, sometimes they are. we should be critical and understand that there are good areas and bad.

We don’t gives thanks to feminists for anything good

We recognise pioneers, activists, founding fathers, scientists for all the breakthroughs we are having today. We recognise that God’s graces work through them. We thank MLK for his contributions, but we still acknowledge his work reflects God’s view of us.

It’s not wrong to say that one is thankful for feminists and the men who made it possible. Thanks to them, I can be paid fairly. At the same time, I can acknowledge these positive changes are Christian-like (to protect and uplift the marginalised) .

 

[Lea101]

I am not sure who RGB is as I pretty much never listen to feminists anymore because… I was a teenager in the 1970’s and ever since then I have heard the same arguments from feminists. I used to buy into it and believed it. Even came to say the same things myself, until I returned to the Church and my life changed.

So, after all these years I can honestly say I have almost never heard a femininst woman speak favorably about men. Families have been destroyed and children hurt, so in all charity, I find one instance of helping a man a little difficult to make the case that the feminist movement fights for men’s rights.

Doesn’t this show that (with all due respect), you don’t fully understand what we’re talking about? You stopped listening after only hearing the negative (which would be more prominent, because it’s often sensationalised), which means you don’t know what’s being said in the movement, or the diversity of thought within the movement as a whole. E.g. You don’t hear Meghan Markle praising men and defending femininity, but people for some reason, have heard rumours of her emasculating Prince Harry.

I think older people still think of the militant, far left feminism in the past that threatened Catholic values instead of the various sects and the differences they have. That’s why we always talk past each other.

 

[Lea101]

The problem with a “real feminist” is that you rarely have one without the other. You can follow her to fight obsterical violence, but you would quickly known that she milit heavily against the conscience clause for abortion…Annoying.

This is why I use feminist as an adjective/descriptor of my beliefs regarding gender, and not necessarily as a term to describe my membership in a group. I avoid collectivist mindsets regarding politics and social movements. I’ll praise and fight with radical feminists and their crusade against porn, but I’ll duck away and fight against them when they talk about something else.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

He has called for a “new feminism”, which I agree with.

a new feminism never came along. We still have the same old feminism with new diabolical twists.

The whole point of feminism was to advance women’s rights to achieve equality.

I was there in the 70’s and know and heard all the motives and read the magazines and listened to the talks and it was so much more than being about equality. It became about “self” with out regard to others and devaluing others. Another popular motive was and is money and power.

It’s not wrong to say that one is thankful for feminists

We will have to agree to disagree here. I am thankful for the good that God brought us in and despite of the feminist movement but I can not be thankful for a movement that has fought against the very foundation that God gave us, family.

there are clearly other factors involved l

Yes, contraceptives, which is pushed by feminists.

I’ll praise and fight with radical feminists and their crusade against porn,

I usually hear feminists fight for porn because now they have a right to it and it is a woman’s “choice” to be involved in it and watch it.

God bless

 

[Lea101]

No the point is many women do the career now and plan to be mother later without knowing her fertility mostly gone by age 30. Even you mistakenly called it a “myth” so obviously many are unaware of this

Eggs gone doesn’t directly equate to the % of fertility. There are clearly other factors involved like quality and environment.

This is not to say that women are consistently fertile. We know that there’s a gradual decline. Is it something to despair? Not really. Many women here conceived after 30. Some of them can’t seem to stop.

Sometimes holding marriage off till your 30 can be a good idea if the men you’re dating in your 20s are not up to standard. Or if you have your own personal issues to overcome. Why not focus on a career in the meantime?

No the point is many women do the career now and plan to be mother later without knowing her fertility mostly gone by age 30.

That’s frankly their problem for not listening in Biology. Men should also start paying attention since I’m seeing more and more men completely unaware that their sperm quality gets worse overtime. It’s boggling how people blame everything else for their ignorance! If you want kids then at least be aware of the possible issues of having them early or later.

 

[EnglishTeacher]

No the point is many women do the career now and plan to be mother later without knowing her fertility mostly gone by age 30.

The way this is stated makes it sound as though women have a hard time conceiving once they hit 30. This is simply not true; most healthy women can conceive fairly easily well into their mid-30s. It starts to get a bit harder in the upper 30s; and by early 40s, one often sees a much more marked difficulty conceiving, as well as a higher risk of miscarriage.

HOWEVER, that said, I agree that it is not smart to purposely delay childbearing. Namely, because if a woman and/or her husband do have fertility problems (which can arise from a myriad of causes besides age), they have a smaller window of time in which resolve those issues before they are up against the age factor as well.

 

[Lea101]

a new feminism never came along. We still have the same old feminism with new diabolical twists

Again…we’ve brought up Catholic feminists. Feminists for Life. You’re still thinking we are talking about the movement you grew up with.

I can not be thankful for a movement that has fought against the very foundation that God gave us, family.

Again, strawman argument here. I’m thankful for the feminists that gave me the right to something. Not feminists as a whole. I’m referring to individuals here.

Best to end this conversation now because it’s clear that you don’t understand who and what I’m referring to. I keep seeing strawmen arguments because it seems like you still think it’s a unified movement that you grew up with.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Again…we’ve brought up Catholic feminists. Feminists for Life. You’re still thinking we are talking about the movement you grew up with.

no I am talking about the feminists I hear speaking out today who continue the same arguments I heard in the 70’s and yes some of these are women who say they are Catholic and feminist.

Best to end this conversation now because it’s clear that you don’t understand who and what I’m referring to

I know who you are talking about, I just don’t agree with you or them and that I should be thankful for them or that they have had any influence in the feminist movement.

but you are right. We should end it here and just agree to disagree.

God bless

 

[Aquinas11]

it is not smart to purposely delay childbearing

This is not to say that women are consistently fertile. We know that there’s a gradual decline.

Yes , agree with both those points.

Rest of posts are strawmen points I never made.

It’s boggling how people blame everything else for their ignorance!

Ironic to read that after demonstrating ignorance on believing it’s a “myth” 90% eggs gone by age 30.

 

[Lea101]

no I am talking about the feminists I hear speaking out today who continue the same arguments I heard in the 70’s and yes some of these are women who say they are Catholic and feminist

You said yourself that you stopped listening/keeping up.

I don’t really know who you’re thinking of, or what you’re referring to. If you’re referring to a Catholic woman saying she’s for abortion, then that’s clearly not Catholic feminism…but that they are Catholic and feminist

If you referring to normal things like saying mothers don’t have to be stay at home moms or something that’s pretty much neutral like that…then yea, that’s a clear difference in thought and I can see why you think everyone is spouting evil views.

I just don’t understand why someone would disregard the good things like legal right to vote, fair pay, bank accounts etc, when they’re presumably reaping the benefits today (unless they don’t want all of these things in the first place).

Hence the really long posts. Good day (or night here)!