My #1 reason for not converting...

[peary]

Is it Raul Reese? He’s an excellent preacher except when he talks about the Catholic Church. He mischaracterizes Catholic teachings to the point of lying. I would say that to his face if I ever met him. (But we know Catholics who mischaracterize Protestant beliefs too.)

But we don’t live then. We live now, the year 2007. What is the RC Church doing now, in the year 2007? It’s consciously, intentionally, wilfully, purposefully, making a reason for Protestants to exist today, the year 2007, by NOT PREACHING from the ambo/pulpit/whatever. The RC Church could put Protestants out of business in a few years time if it took for itself the sole reason for Protestants to exist today, in the year 2007. Forget historic roots. Nobody is a Lutheran today because of the abuses that occurred in the 1500’s. They are Lutherans today because they get oral instruction at Lutheran churches. Read the history of how Calvary Chapel got started: it was because nobody else, including Catholic priests, were teaching the Bible, and the people were hungry. And they’re still hungry.

The lack of oral instruction from the ambo/pulpit/whatever-you-call-it will always be a sufficient and God-honored reason to not convert to Catholicism.

I’d like to import those St Louis priests to my town.

And you too.

Oh, please LOL. The mainline churches are losing membership so fast that by mid-century in this country they will be a thing of the past. The Catholic Church is growing by leaps and bounds with over 60 million and Evangelicals are second in the United States. “A sufficient and God-honred reason to not to convert to Catholicism” is irrelevant.

 

[paarsurrey]

If I looked solely at teachings and apologetics, I might as well be a Catholic, but when I look at these people, I can’t really believe that the Catholic Church is superior to other churches, as it claims. I can’t believe that these people are not the church.- CB

Hi

I think people like you should work for Unity of Catholics and Protestants (ets) into one United Christendum otherwise they would keep bashing one another to the happiness of the Atheists, who only prosper day by day.

Thanks

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hi

I think people like you should work for Unity of Catholics and Protestants (ets) into one United Christendum otherwise they would keep bashing one another to the happiness of the Atheists, who only prosper day by day.

Thanks

I’s not that easy, look at the Sunnis and the Shiites. Pope is working on it, but Protestants don’t accept the Authority of the Catholic Church.

I do not accept the Atheists prosper day by day, they are just shriller. And in the end, they self-destruct. Look at Hollywood, Britney Spears, Anna Nicole Smith.

 

[janw]

peter kreeft has said that protestants need to be more catholic and catholics need to be more protestant. his meaning was that protestants need to experience the miracle of the mass, the authority of the magisterium, and the connection to history the way catholics do. catholics need to experience the passion, the commitment, and the connection to God that protestants seem to have. of course both have some of each within them, but i think he has a valid point.

I have never heard of peter kneeft before, but I say Amen, Amen and Amen. I am a recent convert and love the catholic church but I do miss the fire. Some catholics also have it, but so far I not run into that many. My Granddaughters were baptized today in the baptist church, of course we were very happy about that and respect their faith, ages 9 and 17. They have a great minister at a independent baptist church , but believes very catholic in many ways I don’t think he realizes it, He preached a powerful message on living out the faith right on the riverbank where they were baptized. I was so moved I wanted to shout. I believe all christians should be on fire for the Lord to the point the world thinks they are a little odd. We can’t be perfect, but we can be as excited about our Lord as sports fans are about their team or something is not right.:clapping:

 

[paarsurrey]

Pope is working on it (for unity of Christedum), but Protestants don’t accept the Authority of the Catholic Church.

Hi

If the Protestants would have accepted Authority of the Catholic Church then there would have been on Protestants to start with. This is the issue the Catholics have to resolve with the Protestants with peaceful dialogue.

Thanks

 

[mgrfin]

Hi

If the Protestants would have accepted Authority of the Catholic Church then there would have been on Protestants to start with. This is the issue the Catholics have to resolve with the Protestants with peaceful dialogue.

Thanks

There is a negative missing in that statement somewhere.

peace

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

If the Protestants would have accepted Authority of the Catholic Church then there would have been no Protestants to start with. This is the issue the Catholics have to resolve with the Protestants with peaceful dialogue.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

There is a negative missing in that statement somewhere.
peace

Hi

Thank you for pointin out, I have made the correction.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hi

If the Protestants would have accepted Authority of the Catholic Church then there would have been on Protestants to start with. This is the issue the Catholics have to resolve with the Protestants with peaceful dialogue.

Thanks

You are correct. The Protestants broke off from the Catholic Church, and immediately began breaking off from themselves, Martin Luther first, then Calvin and Zwingli, till today…33,000+ Protestant denominations, still One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

I believe we are approachin ecumenism quite peacefully. In St. Louis, on a certain Sunday (don’t remember which), every Catholic Parish, at the same time, has a prayer service with a nonCatholic denomination. In our parish, our choirs rehearse together with the Lutheran church across the street in preparation for this event. The pastor ot the Lutheran church and our pastor lead the prayer service together. One year we do it in our church, the next in their church. It is quite touching to see both pastors on the altar (Lutheran is a woman, which is very different from our tradition). We also share blood drives, ministry to the poor, and vacation Bible school.

For the most part, we are not killing one another in the name of religion. Northern Ireland is political. What I do see, is Christians persecuted in Middle East. June murder in Iran of Father Ragheed
reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSKAR429342

 

[Teflon93]

You are correct. The Protestants broke off from the Catholic Church, and immediately began breaking off from themselves, Martin Luther first, then Calvin and Zwingli, till today…33,000+ Protestant denominations, still One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

I believe we are approachin ecumenism quite peacefully. In St. Louis, on a certain Sunday (don’t remember which), every Catholic Parish, at the same time, has a prayer service with a nonCatholic denomination. In our parish, our choirs rehearse together with the Lutheran church across the street in preparation for this event. The pastor ot the Lutheran church and our pastor lead the prayer service together. One year we do it in our church, the next in their church. It is quite touching to see both pastors on the altar (Lutheran is a woman, which is very different from our tradition). We also share blood drives, ministry to the poor, and vacation Bible school.

For the most part, we are not killing one another in the name of religion. Northern Ireland is political. What I do see, is Christians persecuted in Middle East. June murder in Iran of Father Ragheed
reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSKAR429342

Here in Charlotte, Bishop Jugis signed again a mutual understanding with his Lutheran counterparts. They meet frequently, we pray for each other, etc. We actively seek opportunities through our parish ecumenism committee for shared activities.

Little things mean a lot.

 

[bobzills]

The pastor ot the Lutheran church and our pastor lead the prayer service together. One year we do it in our church, the next in their church. It is quite touching to see both pastors on the altar (Lutheran is a woman, which is very different from our tradition).

Is it a good idea for a Catholic priest and a female Lutheran minister to lead a prayer service together? The Catholic Church has ruled out ordination of women to the priesthood but with services such as this, people might get the wrong idea on women priests.

 

[Teflon93]

Is it a good idea for a Catholic priest and a female Lutheran minister to lead a prayer service together? The Catholic Church has ruled out ordination of women to the priesthood but with services such as this, people might get the wrong idea on women priests.

It’s a prayer service, not a Mass, and Catholics are well aware non-Catholics have female clergy.

It is no different had a male Protestant clergyman presided at the prayer service—his Holy Orders are just as invalid as hers, lacking apostolic succession.

 

[bobzills]

It’s a prayer service, not a Mass, and Catholics are well aware non-Catholics have female clergy.

It is no different had a male Protestant clergyman presided at the prayer service—his Holy Orders are just as invalid as hers, lacking apostolic succession.

There has been a push from feminist groups and others in the Catholic Church for women priests. And this is exacerbated by having common prayer services with female Protestant ministers in a Catholic Church. I don’t see this as a good idea at all. It is also contrary to the Word of God as expressed in the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 states, “…As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”
This is a very bad idea all around to have Protestant women ministers, with no headcovering, preaching and leading prayers in Catholic Churches.

 

[Teflon93]

There has been a push from feminist groups and others in the Catholic Church for women priests. And this is exacerbated by having common prayer services with female Protestant ministers in a Catholic Church. I don’t see this as a good idea at all. It is also contrary to the Word of God as expressed in the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 states, “…As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”
This is a very bad idea all around to have Protestant women ministers, with no headcovering, preaching and leading prayers in Catholic Churches.

Headcovering, of course, is optional.

The passage from 1st Corinthians is referring to a discipline, not a dogma.

Indeed, were this discipline made dogma, there could be no females in choir.

There could be no female cantors, nor lectors.

Indeed, women could not even respond during the Mass, say the Lord’s prayer, etc.

This is why Catholics are not Fundamentalists. We do not seek to replace the slavery of the Old Covenant with the slavery of the New.

 

[jmcrae]

There has been a push from feminist groups and others in the Catholic Church for women priests. And this is exacerbated by having common prayer services with female Protestant ministers in a Catholic Church. I don’t see this as a good idea at all. It is also contrary to the Word of God as expressed in the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 states, “…As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”
This is a very bad idea all around to have Protestant women ministers, with no headcovering, preaching and leading prayers in Catholic Churches.

Women have been active in the Church right from the very beginning. There were four women in addition to Mother Mary who went about with Jesus where ever He went, and He did not send them home to their knitting. In addition, He interacted and spoke with women right alongside men throughout His time on earth, even though that was not the “done” thing back in those days.

The tradition of women’s religious orders and women participating and helping out in various ways at Church, including as teachers, nurses, secretaries, etc., goes back right to the very beginning of the Church. It’s not some sort of recent “feminist” development.

 

[Teflon93]

Women have been active in the Church right from the very beginning. There were four women in addition to Mother Mary who went about with Jesus where ever He went, and He did not send them home to their knitting. In addition, He interacted and spoke with women right alongside men throughout His time on earth, even though that was not the “done” thing back in those days.

The tradition of women’s religious orders and women participating and helping out in various ways at Church, including as teachers, nurses, secretaries, etc., goes back right to the very beginning of the Church. It’s not some sort of recent “feminist” development.

Let’s not forget the example like St Catherine of Siena, my wife’s patron saint, who was, ahem, not known for her silence, particularly in “suggesting” the Pope get back to Rome from Avignon.

Far from being told to be silent, the Pope went, and she is both saint and a Doctor of the Church.

The anti-Catholics will need to work a bit harder to claim that the Catholic Church is somehow anti-woman given the historical prevalence of strong sisters among the saints.

I’m just glad Blessed Mother Theresa didn’t read that post, or she might have had something suitably tart to say.

 

[jmcrae]

I’m just glad Blessed Mother Theresa didn’t read that post, or she might have had something suitably tart to say.

Indeed she would!!

 

[bobzills]

Headcovering, of course, is optional.
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The Virgin Mother of God is always depicted as wearing a veil or headcovering because she understood this symbol of the different roles given to men and women. Those women who wear the veil are imitating the Virgin Mary in her humility and submissiveness. Nearly every Catholic Church has a stature or image of Mary wearing a veil.
Please see:
catholicplanet.com/women/headcovering.htm
It sends the wrong message on Catholic doctrine to have female Protestant ministers preaching in Catholic Churches. It is an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church that women are not allowed to be priests. This is not a matter of discipline at all. It is not optional at all. It is an infallible and unchangeable doctrine of the Catholic Church that women can never under any circumstances be ordained to the priesthood, regardless of what Protestants may think about it.

 

[jmcrae]

It sends the wrong message on Catholic doctrine to have female Protestant ministers preaching in Catholic Churches.

They aren’t “preaching” - preaching happens at Mass. They are giving little talks at some kind of church gatherings, just as any lay person is allowed to do. Just like St. Cecilia did, and like so many other Catholic women in the Early Church, as well as more recently. 400 people converted when they heard the words of St. Cecilia, so it’s obvious that she wasn’t hiding away in her room - she was giving talks to large audiences.

If this were forbidden by the Church, then she would not have been canonized as a Saint.

It is an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church that women are not allowed to be priests. This is not a matter of discipline at all. It is not optional at all. It is an infallible and unchangeable doctrine of the Catholic Church that women can never under any circumstances be ordained to the priesthood, regardless of what Protestants may think about it.

Nobody is ordaining Protestant women to the Catholic priesthood.

 

[mgrfin]

The Virgin Mother of God is always depicted as wearing a veil or headcovering because she understood this symbol of the different roles given to men and women. Those women who wear the veil are imitating the Virgin Mary in her humility and submissiveness. Nearly every Catholic Church has a stature or image of Mary wearing a veil.
Please see:
catholicplanet.com/women/headcovering.htm
It sends the wrong message on Catholic doctrine to have female Protestant ministers preaching in Catholic Churches. It is an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church that women are not allowed to be priests. This is not a matter of discipline at all. It is not optional at all. It is an infallible and unchangeable doctrine of the Catholic Church that women can never under any circumstances be ordained to the priesthood, regardless of what Protestants may think about it.

St. Paul tells women to cover their heads in Church.

And even in my time, women always wore hats and veils when coming into Church. They’d cover their heads with a napkin or hanky to fulfill this requirement. It is a sign of respect for them. Even when visiting the Pope, women wear hats.
The Virgin is depicted as wearing a veil cause that is a custom in the Middle East that women have their heads covered.

peace