My Church has LGBTQ Vespers?

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I just hate having to fact-check everything, even things that come from clergy/Church officials. My Catholic mother goes around telling other Catholic couples the Church is fine with contraception and they shouldn’t worry about it (she’s a lay person, but still). I recall reading stories about Catholic nuns encouraging and even participating in abortions. As you saw in my link, there are “gay friendly” parishes where priests give Communion to “practicing” homosexuals and encourage their lifestyle.
When I tell other Catholics about doing basic doctrinal/tradition things (ie fasting before Mass, my position on gay marriage and abortion/birth control), they say I must not be the same religion as them or that they’re just more open-minded than me.
I wish there was an FSSP chapter near me. I know of one in Irving Texas that looks extraordinary in keeping Tradition. Sadly there are no FSSP chapters in my state, and the closest on is Atlanta Georgia.
 
Parishes have been directed to reach out to people in irregular situations. This does not mean instant sacramental acceptance, but there are perfectly legitimate reasons to have outreach to the LGBTQ community so that they can be exposed to Catholic spiritual life and receive support in conforming to Catholic norms.
 
Since when did prayer become an act of homosexual activism?..if it is, well then call me gay because I would rather be called gay and regularly converse with God than to call myself a Christian while begrudging other’s from entering into a relationship with God!
 
TN_Catholic said:
I just hate having to fact-check everything, even things that come from clergy/Church officials. My Catholic mother goes around telling other Catholic couples the Church is fine with contraception and they shouldn’t worry about it (she’s a lay person, but still). I recall reading stories about Catholic nuns encouraging and even participating in abortions. As you saw in my link, there are “gay friendly” parishes where priests give Communion to “practicing” homosexuals and encourage their lifestyle.

When I tell other Catholics about doing basic doctrinal/tradition things (ie fasting before Mass, my position on gay marriage and abortion/birth control), they say I must not be the same religion as them or that they’re just more open-minded than me.

I wish there was an FSSP chapter near me. I know of one in Irving Texas that looks extraordinary in keeping Tradition. Sadly there are no FSSP chapters in my state, and the closest on is Atlanta Georgia.
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God bless you for standing firm in your faith. I am sorry to hear that there are no FSSP parishes near you. They are truly the safest havens within the Church these days. Since that is not an option, however, I strongly encourage you to bring this query to a priest who has a solid reputation for orthodoxy. Most importantly: in the meantime do not compromise, do not cave into believing things like LGBTQ vespers are normal under any circumstance. Avoid, avoid, avoid. Read good, traditional material.
 
Wesrock said:
Parishes have been directed to reach out to people in irregular situations. This does not mean instant sacramental acceptance, but there are perfectly legitimate reasons to have outreach to the LGBTQ community so that they can be exposed to Catholic spiritual life and receive support in conforming to Catholic norms.
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OK then, how about : Vespers Tonight, 7PM, ALL ARE WELCOME
 
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How do you know propaganda is going on there, without either visiting it yourself or seeing a video or having a trusted person give you an eyewitness report?
 
I roll my eyes at much of the talk of “safe spaces” in college campuses and the extremes those are taken to, but sometimes there are people who are within a community but also apart from it who can benefit from one (reasonably constructed). Even gays who readily admit they are trying to live a celibate lifestyle in conformance with Catholic chastity are often ostracized or set apart by other parishioners within a community. A non-sacramental but liturgical service directed at this sub-community can create a place where these individuals are free from such prejudices and can allow them to support each other in living with Catholic chastity.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
How do you know propaganda is going on there, without either visiting it yourself or seeing a video or having a trusted person give you an eyewitness report?
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Because the Gay Agenda never sleeps. It is cunning, ruthless, and will stop at nothing to infiltrate and degenerate every fiber of society. The infiltration of the Catholic Church is at the top of its list. Anyone with eyes to see will acknowledge this. I am done giving the benefit of the doubt to these absurd, diabolical endeavors which continue to poison the Church of Jesus Christ under the guise of tolerance and charity. Homosexuals are not the ones in need of outreach. There is confusion among Catholics on even the most basic dogmatic issues and no one reaches out to them. Instead we continue to lap up the latest whims of the progressives all while the very foundations of the Church are shaking and crumbling around us.
 
There is a American Catholic Church near me. They are not Catholic (part of the old Catholics-look up the term). They openly welcome LGBMORELETTERS. Of course, the pastor is a lesbian woman bishop. Her “wife” then conducts a different new age “service” separately. I think I saw a sign for vespers at some point, driving by.

I have also been to (true) Catholic, vespers for gays. Been to only 2 so can’t comment further than that. But those were conducted reverently. These were people with SSA, and others either in that “community” or those knowing people in that condition, praying for them.

The “gay agenda” wasn’t pushed. It was a prayer service. The catechism guidelines were followed.

Blessings,
Stephie
 
Why is our Church so divided? It’s not just the Protestants on the outside, it’s the Catholics within.
Why isn’t there a safe space for Catholics to go and know we’ll be taught teachings and principles consistent with the Church? Why can’t we be unified on even basic Doctrine and Tradition? It seems like there’s stumbling blocks everywhere and I don’t even know what path I’m trying to keep half the time, much less how.
 
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I have also been to (true) Catholic, vespers for gays. Been to only 2 so can’t comment further than that. But those were conducted reverently. These were people with SSA, and others either in that “community” or those knowing people in that condition, praying for them.

The “gay agenda” wasn’t pushed. It was a prayer service. The catechism guidelines were followed.
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Thanks for a great example of what it should be.
 
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I roll my eyes at much of the talk of “safe spaces” in college campuses and the extremes those are taken to, but sometimes there are people who are within a community but also apart from it who can benefit from one (reasonably constructed). Even gays who readily admit they are trying to live a celibate lifestyle in conformance with Catholic chastity are often ostracized or set apart by other parishioners within a community. A non-sacramental but liturgical service directed at this sub-community can create a place where these individuals are free from such prejudices and can allow them to support each other in living with Catholic chastity.
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It can also further scandalize and confused an already demoralized flock. That’s ultimately what stuff like this does. Because the number of homosexuals out there who align themselves with the teachings of the Church on any matter, and especially the matter of chastity, is statistically exceedingly low. Why on earth does such a minuscule subset of the Catholic population demand so much of our attention when the rest of the building is going up in flames?
 
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I’m sorry you seem to be so full of anxiety over a gay prayer service. I have to admit, before I joined CAF a few months back, I didn’t know Catholics like you existed, or at least I had never met one. It’s been an eye opener, and caused me to have several discussions with priests. I will pray for you.

Pax Christi
 
TN_Catholic said:
Why isn’t there a safe space for Catholics to go and know we’ll be taught teachings and principles consistent with the Church?
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Read traditional material by the saints, get a copy of the Roman Catechism and the Baltimore Catechism, get enrolled in the Brown Scapular, pray the Rosary daily. Find a parish with a reverent Mass, find a spiritual director and a confessor. Place all your trust in the Blessed Virgin and ignore the ravings of the modernists. It isn’t easy being Catholic today, but it can be done. Our Lady is your best friend and your sure help in this endeavor. Always trust in her and you will be led to peace.
 
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I want to contact the church to ask what the overall message of this event is, but I’m scared they’ll get angry or defensive with me… I wanted to talk to my priest about getting back into the church and now I’m scared to even go to him because he’s the one in charge of all this. He wrote an essay about respecting gays, and I’d like to read more so I can better understand his views, but I don’t have money to buy the essay.
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Go and ask the priest about it (not the office staff who may not know as much about it). Obviously he has thought a lot about ministry to LGBT Catholics, and he will be able – and probably glad – to answer your questions and address your concerns.

He can also provide you with the essay at no cost.
 
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Why on earth does such a minuscule subset of the Catholic population demand so much of our attention when the rest of the building is going up in flames?
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You just answered your own question. The forces of evil will do whatever they can to destroy the Church, and failing that, to destroy as much of it as they can.
 
That actually would be a pretty great idea: advertise some gay event and then when they get there, throw them into the confessional.
 
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