My Church has LGBTQ Vespers?

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As much as I hope that the intent of these vespers is to provide support for gay people to live a chaste life, I’m afraid RHBenson is right. Many times these services, as well as so-called LGBT-friendly parishes, are a masked attempt to condone gay lifestyles without coming out and saying it directly. That’s just the reality of the Church today.

I would say, if you are scared to even ask a question of your pastor, why would you want to be a member of that parish? You should be able to respectfully ask the question and discuss your concerns with him. Maybe it indeed is part of a program like Courage, that ministers to gay people. It’s always better to know than to assume or wonder.

You are in a tough position since this is the only church in your town. How far would you have to drive to the next church? Your faith is the most important part of your life, so I would make finding a good parish my priority. If this one is not orthodox, I would consider moving, or if this not possible, drive further to an orthodox parish.
 
I think that you should ask the staff what the intention of the vespers are. If the parish is supporting things or having programs that go against the Church’s teaching you might want to find another Catholic parish nearby that you could attend. Most catholics that support things like LGBTQ lifestyles and contraceptives probably are only there because they were raised catholic. The the writings of the saints indicate the proper way a catholic should behave.
 
Gay vespers = Vespers that fantasize about other vespers, not matins. 😮
 
I’m wading into a mess but here it goes! Vespers are great. I feel it’s odd that the Church needs to specifically denote they’re LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 vespers. I feel that when we over emphasize our differences we run the risk of self segregation. My concern is that anyone attending will be the target of much gossip. Anyone seen there will be assumed to be gay. Wouldn’t it be better to have a night where everyone particularly those who are single and celibate can come together? It’s better to have some anonymity. After all heterosexuals and homosexuals are called to chastity.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I’m sorry you seem to be so full of anxiety over a gay prayer service. I have to admit, before I joined CAF a few months back, I didn’t know Catholics like you existed, or at least I had never met one. It’s been an eye opener, and caused me to have several discussions with priests. I will pray for you.

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Catholics like you? What’s that supposed to mean? R_H_Benson is correct that the Gay Agenda is very much at work in the Church. That’s right, in the Church. As in the Hierarchy. You do recall prior to the summit on the family there was a certain 'shadow council" held at the Pontifical Gregorian University to discuss among other things the approval of contraception, and homosexual acts. And lets not forget about Fr. Martin and others who promote homosexuality in the Church. So be careful with your homophobe insinuations.
 
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My concern is that anyone attending will be the target of much gossip. Anyone seen there will be assumed to be gay.
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Gossip is a sin, and some of us honestly don’t care what people assume as long as we know the truth. To put it another way, people will assume what they want, and we cannot control it, so I choose to just live my life.
 
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I completely agree with the fact that the homosexual lifestyle is being pushed onto others who are sincerely trying to live godly lives. Won’t lie about that in a million years. But I’m a bit confused as to what you mean when you say that are homosexuals are not in need of an outreach.

Jesus Himself said He came not for the righteous, but for sinners. The doctor does not come for those who are already well, but those who have maladies. That is why priests and nuns go to prisons sometimes, spread the Gospel, etc.

If this gay vesper is about promoting a sinful lifestyle, I completely agree with you. But people are becoming aware more nowadays that some people can be born with homosexual urges, just as the rest of us who are sinners and may have certain sins we are tempted to commit above others. As long as these people are genuinely trying to reach towards people with these urges and help them with a godly lifestyle, I really don’t see the problem. Never underestimate the power of prayer.

I’m not at all trying to argue with you, but…I don’t know, the attitude of thinking those who sin aren’t in need of being outreached, of being called to Christ, just seems a bit off to me, when regarding acting Christlike.
 
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“No doubt, that is precisely what this poorly masked endeavor is doing, and the OP’s confusion is evidence of its adverse affects.”

You seem to know more about this event than the OP, who hasn’t attended. Have you?
 
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This is the only church in my town, so if I get them angry with me, I’ll be in for a hard time. And if they are offering teachings contradictory to the Church, what am I supposed to do then?
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Go to Mass. Partake of the sacraments. Pray. You don’t have to go to the LGBTQ Vespers that are offered one Sunday a month. If you ask a question respectfully, and with charitable assumptions you are unlikely to make anyone angry. Why not visit your parish’s website and and see if there is a description of this ministry; maybe your questions will be answered or you can ask more informed questions.
 
LisaB said:
As much as I hope that the intent of these vespers is to provide support for gay people to live a chaste life, I’m afraid RHBenson is right. Many times these services, as well as so-called LGBT-friendly parishes, are a masked attempt to condone gay lifestyles without coming out and saying it directly.
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Many times? It sounds like you have experience with other Catholic prayer services targeted at LGBT. Not just a few, but many. And you know them well enough to say they condone gay lifestyles. How did you gather this info? Did you attend “many of them”? I am reminded of the last line of the Fatima prayer: “Lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.” Yes. We ask Jesus to lead those souls, but he’s got to do it without any help from us.
 
I can understand feeling a bit uneasy given the current cultural climate.

However, I think you need to ask yourself what type of Catholic you want to be. Do you want to be the type of parishioner who is constantly suspicious of everything your pastor does? The type who is always asking questions and putting him on the defensive, as though he is constantly under your microscope? Or would you rather be the type who gives him the benefit of the doubt and then lets it go? I recommend the latter over the former.

Certainly, there are some goofy priests out there. Most are good men, though. Unless your pastor is constantly preaching against Church teaching, I think it is far better to presume good will on his part. How involved are you in parish life? Maybe God is calling you to get more involved in your parish to help out with catechesis or Bible study.
 
Hey, friends, why don’t we put that on hold? Be at peace. Hope to see you at Mass today.
 
I’ve always wanted to be active in parish life but never have been. When I was younger there were logistical issues with getting there, and now every time I start looking into getting involved I see things that discourage me. If it’s not moral dilemmas like this, it’s a matter of not really feeling welcomed by other Catholics or questioning my faith to the point I feel hypocritical for being involved.
 
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