My methodist ministers will know that I'm going catholic now!

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You contradict yourself.

I did not say Zundrah is in full communion, but she is still Catholic to a certain degree by virtue of her baptism.

The Body Of Christ encompasses all who are properly baptised,
The Catholic Church is larger than only those who are in full communion.
No, but I could see how it might seem that way to someone who thinks in either/or. However, both things are true. She is a member of the Body of Christ. She entered RCIA because she wants to be in full communion.
She is a catechumen, but she is still a member of The Body Of Christ by virtue of her baptism.
Answers, what are you trying to accomplish here? No one has ever told her this is not the case. I think you are just trying to be contentious.
Are you saying that members of The Body Of Christ are not members of the “a single Catholic and apostolic Church” if they are not in full communion?
No.
Christians that are not in full communion are called “separated brethren”.
👍 I am glad you are reading your catechism.
The above quote says that a “non-Catholic Christian” can belong to the “Church” in an “imperfect” way. If they belong to the “Church”, then whether they are called “non-Catholic Christian” or “separated brethren” or “Catholic not in full communion” does’nt really matter.
It matters so Zundrah. She wants to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church. She was very disappointed and dismayed to learn that she had to complete RCIA before this could happen.
What do you mean by “if the Catholic Church is for you”?
Perhaps it could be better worded. If Zundrah (or anyone) is not yet ready, willing or able to consent to all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches, then they are not ready to become Catholic. Zundrah is just now beginning to learn what those teachings are, and how they are different from her brief exposure to Methodist doctrine.
 
No, but I could see how it might seem that way to someone who thinks in either/or. However, both things are true. She is a member of the Body of Christ. She entered RCIA because she wants to be in full communion.

Answers, what are you trying to accomplish here? No one has ever told her this is not the case. I think you are just trying to be contentious.

No.

👍 I am glad you are reading your catechism.

It matters so Zundrah. She wants to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church. She was very disappointed and dismayed to learn that she had to complete RCIA before this could happen.

Perhaps it could be better worded. If Zundrah (or anyone) is not yet ready, willing or able to consent to all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches, then they are not ready to become Catholic. Zundrah is just now beginning to learn what those teachings are, and how they are different from her brief exposure to Methodist doctrine.
 
No, but I could see how it might seem that way to someone who thinks in either/or. However, both things are true. She is a member of the Body of Christ. She entered RCIA because she wants to be in full communion.
It is not either/or, she belongs to the “Church” see and try to understand the following quotes, and I never said she was in full communion.
Discussion at the Council, as today, was most sensitive when addressing the problem of Church membership. In the end, the fathers chose to retain the scholastic formula that asserts that there are three requisites for full membership in the Church: 1) baptism; 2) profession of the same faith; and 3) acceptance of the headship of the bishop of Rome.
They also kept the traditional Catholic belief that a non-Catholic Christian can, although in an imperfect way, belong to the Church by virtue of his desire to be a part of it (votum Ecclessiae), even if that “desire” is unconscious.
Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: ‘a single Catholic and apostolic Church.’"
Answers, what are you trying to accomplish here? No one has ever told her this is not the case. I think you are just trying to be contentious.
It was said that Zundrah was not Catholic, I said Zundrah can be considered to “belong” to the “Church” but is just not in full communion, see the above articles and quotes from “This Rock”.

As for being contentious, my post were clear in #110 and #111, you are the one being contentious by bringing it up again.
You should stop being contentious, follow your own advice and put me on ignore.
👍 I am glad you are reading your catechism.
You assume I have a catechism, and that I am reading it.
You should stop making assumptions.
It matters so Zundrah. She wants to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church. She was very disappointed and dismayed to learn that she had to complete RCIA before this could happen.
I never said that those not in full communion could receive the Eucharist. What she wants to be called has no bearing on whether she is worthy to recieve the Eucharist.
 
What I meant was that you said " if " the Catholic Church is for her.

There should be no doubt:

As far as being a member of the Catholic Church is concerned, read posts #110 and #111 in this thread.

The above quote says that a “non-Catholic Christian” can belong to the “Church” in an “imperfect” way. If they belong to the “Church”, then whether they are called “non-Catholic Christian” or “separated brethren” or “Catholic not in full communion” does’nt really matter.
Sure it matters. It matters alot if you want to receive Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
 
It is not either/or, she belongs to the “Church” see and try to understand the following quotes, and I never said she was in full communion.
Answers, you really seem to be picking arguements over irrelevant matters. If you go back and look at the OP, you will see what Zundrah intended to do. Members of CAF have used this thread to explain to her the difference between filling out a form to become member of the parish, and being in full communion.
It was said that Zundrah was not Catholic, I said Zundrah can be considered to “belong” to the “Church” but is just not in full communion, see the above articles and quotes from “This Rock”.
Zundrah has not yet been received into full communion with the Church. She intended to write her former pastors, and inform them that she has “joined the Roman Catholic Church”. There is a distinction between becoming a member of a parish, which anyone can do, even one who is not one of our separated brethren, and being in full communion, which is her intention.
As for being contentious, my post were clear in #110 and #111, you are the one being contentious by bringing it up again. You should stop being contentious, follow your own advice and put me on ignore.
I fail to see what this has to do with the OP. It would be to our best benefit for all of us to work together to make CAF a productive environment.
assume I have a catechism, and that I am reading it.
Indeed I do.

An assumption verified by the fact that you have posted all of the relevant passages of it in these threads. 👍
You should stop making assumptions.
I suggest that it is inappropriate for one member to tell another member what they “should” do.

Besides, human beings function on the basis of assumptions. The problem with them stems from not checking them out against the evidence.
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I never said that those not in full communion could receive the Eucharist. What she wants to be called has no bearing on whether she is worthy to recieve the Eucharist.
I am not sure what this has to do with the OP, and I am not really sure why you are taking issue with the information given to Zundrah in this thread. I know it has been a disappointment to her that she cannot become Catholic as quickly as her heart desires, but from reading her posts, it seems clear to me that she is determined, and motivated, and will complete whatever preparation is necessary, no matter how long it takes.

I told her that it was no longer accurate to describe herself as “protestant”, but also misleading to claim that she is “Roman Catholic”. She is officially a catechumen.

I also think it may be misleading to describe her state of separation by using the term “unworthy”. She has some serious self esteem issues, and is very sensitive to such language.
 
The Eucharist will be so new to me when and if it happens, but my priest are very nice to me and I know they (and people at CAF) will guide me through.
 
Sure it matters. It matters alot if you want to receive Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
Again, I never said Zundrah was is full communion, even “Catholics” that are not absolved of all their mortal sins can not receive the Eucharist, these “Catholics” with mortal sins can call themselves “Catholic” but are not worthy to receive the Eucharist.
 
Answers, you really seem to be picking arguements over irrelevant matters.
This is the last time I am going to tell, if you don’t like my posts then use the ignore function.

guanophore you have admitted that you like to follow multiple people around like Zundrah and “correct” them if the “offend” you. Some people consider that stalking.

You need serious help, and I am not going to debate someone like you forever.

Go ahead and answer this post if you want, you will be talking to yourself because I will not anser you back since you are NOT worth my time.
I suggest that it is inappropriate for one member to tell another member what they “should” do.
Says the person who follows people around just to “correct” them and silence them if they offend your sensibillities personally, you place yourself above the forum rules.
 
Again, I never said Zundrah was is full communion, even “Catholics” that are not absolved of all their mortal sins can not receive the Eucharist, these “Catholics” with mortal sins can call themselves “Catholic” but are not worthy to receive the Eucharist.
This is true, but Zundrah is not acquainted with these nuances, and stating that she is “unworthy” to receive will have a bad connotation for her. She is very sensitive, you know.
She is a catechumen, but she is still a member of The Body Of Christ by virtue of her baptism.
What do you mean “she is still”? It was her being a member of the Body that brought her to catechism! She is yearning for a deeper relationship with God. I think you are trying to find fault where there is none. 🤷
Are you saying that members of The Body Of Christ are not members of the “a single Catholic and apostolic Church” if they are not in full communion?
No, I said that filling out a parish membership form did not make her Catholic. In the OP, she stated that she intended to tell her former ministers that she had joined the Catholic Church.
Christians that are not in full communion are called “separated brethren”.
Glad you are still reading that catechism. 👍
The above quote says that a “non-Catholic Christian” can belong to the “Church” in an “imperfect” way. If they belong to the “Church”, then whether they are called “non-Catholic Christian” or “separated brethren” or “Catholic not in full communion” does’nt really matter.
It matters to the person who wants to be in full communion. Zundrah does not want to be in any way “separated” from the one Church founded by Christ on Peter, the Rock.
This is the last time I am going to tell…
Thank God for that! 😃
guanophore you have admitted that you like to follow multiple people around like Zundrah and “correct” them if the “offend” you. Some people consider that stalking.
No, Answers, I said nothing of the sort. First of all, there ARE no people like Zundrah! :extrahappy: :dancing: :love:

I do admit, at first I thought she might be a troll, but I quickly came to my senses.

I think you may have confused my statement about offensive language. Language can be found offensive and yet does not personally offend me. As far as correction, Zundrah was so excited about posting and interacting with others about her ideas that she did not take time to read the forum rules. I did not want her to get banned for breaking them before she got what she came here to get. As you can see, she has not quite gotten it all yet.
I am not going to debate someone like you forever.
I am relieved to hear this. It really seemed to me that you were trying to find fault where there really is none. Most everyone here has encouraged Zundrah as our sister in Christ. It is true that there have been some doubters, but those that follow her posts know that she is sincere in her quest, even if her expressions sometimes leave something to be desired.
Go ahead and answer this post if you want, you will be talking to yourself because I will not anser you back since you are NOT worth my time.
I thank you for this expression of affection.😃

Actually, I answer most posts for the lurkers. For every person like yourself bold enough to post, there are about 10 who do not, but would like to say the same things.
Says the person who follows people around just to “correct” them and silence them if they offend your sensibillities personally, you place yourself above the forum rules.
This is not possible, Answers, as I have told you in another post. Members don’t have the ability to “silence” each other. Furthermore, rude expressions do not become excusable just because I do not find them personally offensive. For example, Zundrah proposes in the thread that she will post a private email. This is against the forum rules. It is not personally offensive to me (it was not my email) but that makes it no less an offense.

None of us are above the forum rules, even the Mods.
 
Editting my post #127:
Answers, you really seem to be picking arguements over irrelevant matters.
This is the last time I am going to tell, if you don’t like my posts then use the ignore function.

guanophore you have admitted that you like to follow multiple people around like Zundrah and “correct” them if the “offend” you. Some people consider that stalking.

You need serious help, and I am not going to debate someone like you forever.

Go ahead and answer this post if you want, you will be talking to yourself because I will not answer you back since you are NOT worth my time.
I suggest that it is inappropriate for one member to tell another member what they “should” do.
Says the person who follows people around just to “correct” them and silence them if they offend your sensibillities personally, you place yourself above the forum rules.
From Thread: Mormons prefer to prey on which? - Catholics or Protestants?
guanophore said:
I got on this thread because I follow Zundrah around the threads because she gets out of hand. I saw the title, and found it offensive.
Post #172
guanophore said:
I am on this thread because Zundrah started it, and I go to all the threads she starts.
Post # 167 (Publically chastises Zundrah, instead of using a private and less humilliating PM.)
guanophore said:
I want my responses to Zundrah to be close to her posts, and available to others reading them.
Post #148
Answersplease said:
How many other people do you STALK?
Post #167
guanophore said:
Not more than 3-4 at a time. I locate the most inflammatory, or the most offensive, and track their posts.
Post #172 (He does’nt like to follow Mormons or SDA, just everyone else.)
guanophore said:
When I discover the poster is a Mormon, or an SDA, I usally abandon the discussion.
Post #172 (He says this, but still likes answers all my posts, I am probably on his “list” of people he likes to follow around just to correct them if they offend his personal sensibillities.)
guanophore said:
Answers, but you are not the center of my world, and you are not the motive for my posting or not.
Post #167 (He does’nt follow his own advice and won’t put people he finds offensive on “ignore”.)
guanophore said:
If you are offended by my posts, then I suggest you use the “Ignore” feature. That way, you will not have to look at them.
 
This is true, but Zundrah is not acquainted with these nuances, and stating that she is “unworthy” to receive will have a bad connotation for her. She is very sensitive, you know.
Guanophore are you flurting with me!? 😉
It matters to the person who wants to be in full communion. Zundrah does not want to be in any way “separated” from the one Church founded by Christ on Peter, the Rock.
Amen
No, Answers, I said nothing of the sort. First of all, there ARE no people like Zundrah! :extrahappy: :dancing: :love:
LOL - you are making me blush now!
I do admit, at first I thought she might be a troll, but I quickly came to my senses.
Guanophore, my first time on here was mostly covered by talking to you! 😃
I think you may have confused my statement about offensive language. Language can be found offensive and yet does not personally offend me. As far as correction, Zundrah was so excited about posting and interacting with others about her ideas that she did not take time to read the forum rules. I did not want her to get banned for breaking them before she got what she came here to get. As you can see, she has not quite gotten it all yet.
😊
I am relieved to hear this. It really seemed to me that you were trying to find fault where there really is none. Most everyone here has encouraged Zundrah as our sister in Christ. It is true that there have been some doubters, but those that follow her posts know that she is sincere in her quest, even if her expressions sometimes leave something to be desired.

I thank you for this expression of affection.😃
If you are lacking in affection Guanophore, then why not try talking to me more often!
For example, Zundrah proposes in the thread that she will post a private email. This is against the forum rules. It is not personally offensive to me (it was not my email) but that makes it no less an offense.
When did I do this? 🤷
None of us are above the forum rules, even the Mods
 
Editting my post #127:
Answers, one of the rules here at CAF is to stay on topic. IT will benefit all of us here at CAF if we help each other do this. Everyone gets sidetracked once in a while. This post has nothing to do with this topic, or the one from where you cut and pasted the other quotes. If you have a personal issue with me, please send me a PM, and we can try to work it out without breaking the rules like this. If you feel you cannot, then please use the red triangle above on the right with the exlamation point in it. That is for reporting posts that violate the forum rules, or that offend you. The mods will then investigate, and sanction the offender.
 
Guanophore are you flurting with me!? 😉
Not a bit! However, I do think your interest in becoming Catholic is far more than flirtatious, and I want to support your efforts in that direction. Do you think there is no other reason a person might take special interest in somone besides flirting or “stalking”?
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 Amen
LOL - you are making me blush now!
I commend the sincerity of heart through which you are learning about Catholicism. I take issue with some of the methods that you use to express yourself. And it is true. I have been on this forum for 2 1/2 years, and have never met anyone here like you!
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  Guanophore, my first time on here was mostly covered by talking to you! :D
I know some of my replies to you have been harsh and what I have said has made you feel bad. I replied sternly because I thought it was necessary. I did not want you to get banned before you got all your questions answered. I hope you NEVER get them all answered. I can tell you mine have not been.
If you are lacking in affection Guanophore, then why not try talking to me more often!
I think Answers does not find my conduct “loving”, at least, she has indicated that I am lacking in Christian charity.
When did I do this? 🤷
In the OP (original post)
This is finally it! I’m gonna do it! I’m going to email my methodist ministers NOW and tell them that I’ve joined a Roman Catholic Church! When I get a message back from them I will post it here for you all to see!
xXX zundrah (jennifer) XXx
As I said, you seem to be able to benefit from someone keeping an eye on you, and I volunteered. I know this has been exasperating at times, and Answers seems to find it offensive, but I have taken on this task because I believe that you are sincere, and just get out of order at times.

Part of that volunteering is to pray for you every day. 👍

guan
 
Not a bit! However, I do think your interest in becoming Catholic is far more than flirtatious, and I want to support your efforts in that direction. Do you think there is no other reason a person might take special interest in somone besides flirting or “stalking”?

I commend the sincerity of heart through which you are learning about Catholicism. I take issue with some of the methods that you use to express yourself. And it is true. I have been on this forum for 2 1/2 years, and have never met anyone here like you!

I know some of my replies to you have been harsh and what I have said has made you feel bad. I replied sternly because I thought it was necessary. I did not want you to get banned before you got all your questions answered. I hope you NEVER get them all answered. I can tell you mine have not been.

I think Answers does not find my conduct “loving”, at least, she has indicated that I am lacking in Christian charity.

In the OP (original post)

As I said, you seem to be able to benefit from someone keeping an eye on you, and I volunteered. I know this has been exasperating at times, and Answers seems to find it offensive, but I have taken on this task because I believe that you are sincere, and just get out of order at times.

Part of that volunteering is to pray for you every day. 👍

guan
You sound like the guardian that I never had! 😃 Please continue to guide me, Guan! Your help is priceless!
 
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