My new husband has been lying to me about viewing pornography!

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*Porn also cheapens men, too. It degrades them into nothing but sexual puppets who have no mind of their own…like sexual drones. No, men are children of God, and I think that once a man clings to that principle, he will see that he is being used, just like the women are. * 😦
 
*Porn also cheapens men, too. It degrades them into nothing but sexual puppets who have no mind of their own…like sexual drones. No, men are children of God, and I think that once a man clings to that principle, he will see that he is being used, just like the women are. * 😦
Yes, very good point!

God bless,
Dan
 
They’ve only been “married” five weeks. They lived together 3 yrs and she didn’t know there was a porn addiction?
Graceandglory frankly I´m not sure I like the tone of this post, especially coming from one who calls himself/herself such a lofty title as “Grace and Glory”.

What exactly were you trying to say by this? Please explain.

In any case had you read my first post thoroughly you would have seen that yes I had suspicions for a long time now, but have never been able to prove it.

I agree with the posters who suggest confession and also Christopher West´s books. I´m going to order them on Amazon this evening.
 
bibagirl:

I realize that most posters in charity see a salvageable situation here, but considering how early this couple has been married and even now are entering into serious marital issues, I would recommend annulment provided she isn’t pregnant, and her case presents a valid reason, and I would advise that having children at this time is a very bad idea, and I know we are defering the purpose of the marriage for the common good of the couple, AND the child to be.

Andy
No I certainally will not consider annulment. I love my husband deeply and I pledged “for better and for worse” when I married him. There is no such thing as a perfect person, and I WILL NOT discard the man I love because of an occasional sin. Catholics are supposed to be compassionate and forgiving, and it´s clear that nobody is without sin. A vice-free husband (or indeed, wife) does not exist. If I annul this marriage, what do I do - wait for some perfect saintly man to come along, who happens to fall in love with me, and me with him. It´s not going to happen. As I said in a previous post, it´s not that my husband is addicted to porn, he occasionally views it in secret, usually when he is stressed.
It would appear we are seeing the effects of compounding, since they were not to live togeather to start with, and even then there were at least some indications that this person had issues. Her obligation was to give him an ultimatum and wait until she was assured of real progress(the old adage, “Marriage doesn’t cure bad habits” noted), but usually it’s best to be thankful that God revealed this problem and move on to someone more worthy. Sadly she would not get help for this as long as she was in a live-in situation. The correct place for such analysis is in courting, where each evaluates the other for potential mate and engagement, and this process involves close scrutiny of both family and individuals. The longer this process takes place, the more likely these traits would expose themselves eventually.

Andy
I do agree with you on this point, I now realise the fact that of moving in together makes it very difficult to establish ground rules as it´s a much looser more casual arrangement. I now advise friends not to live with their partners before marriage.
 
I am sure you meant well with this advice, but it’s unfair to say to a wife that she needs to somehow give her husband a reason to not look at porn…the flip side to that is that you’re inferring, ever so subtly, that a wife is somehow culpable to a degree for a husband to be addicted to porn. Porn viewing on occasion, is one thing…but an addiction? Neither is a wife’s fault…and if men start believing this type of advice, they’ll never get past this sin. They will always be looking for someone to blame. Men who are addicted to porn have serious issues with how they view sex…it’s distorted, and probably became more distorted through the porn viewing. They need help, AND a supportive wife. And further, porn is very easy to get into …especially with the internet. I have viewed porn with my husband in the past–we did so for years–we weren’t addicted, but it was easy to do…HOWEVER, it can be easy to avoid. Once you give yourself to the Lord, really, ridding one’s self of sexual sin becomes easy. But, let’s not blame spouses in any way for the sins of the other spouse.

OP, it’s not your fault…and while you feel that you have been betrayed, just know that this is an addiction like many addictions…and your husband needs your support, as hard as that might be right now. I will keep you both in my prayers, for a healthy marriage, that is porn free…Anything is possible with God. Please help your husband to get into a GOOD counseling group.
Thank you whatevergirl. You have a much more realistic take on the situation that some other posters, as well as just being nicer to me in my emotionally fragile state!!

However I feel that occasional viewing of porn does not convert somebody into a porn addict, just as the occasional glass of wine does not convert somebody into an alcoholic. At the same time it´s a destructive habit that I do not want to my husband to have, so I´m going to support him and be gentle and understanding. I myself have viewed porn in the past (before the marriage) but am not proud of it, and I did tell my husband about it, so I know about temptation of the flesh. And I did not view it because my husband was inadequate, it was more curiosity than anything. That´s why I know it´s not my fault he sometimes views porn, just as it wasn´t his fault I viewed porn.
 
That is what porn does to a wife.

slaafws.org/
Graceandglory thank you for the link to this website, the self-diagnosis section is very helpful. I have put it in my favourites folder. Although I feel that my husband´s viewing of porn has not reached the level where it an addiction, this may give me some warning if it develops into something more serious.
 
I disagree with the previous poster’s suggestion for an anullment.

Bibagirl: you have come to a Catholic forum seeking advice on your Catholic marriage. I would highly recommend that both you & your husband go to Confession, so you can receive the sacramental grace from your marriage vows. You may be legally married and you may have had a marriage within a Catholic Church, but you will not receive the grace from the sacrament if you were both in a state of mortal sin while being married (likewise, you will not receive the graces from the Eucharist.)

Only then will you truly be able to fight this “problem” your spouse has. God can and will make all things right but you have to do your part.
Thank you turtle18 for your sensible advice.
 
whatevergirl:

Not at this so early a stage where she (and he) should be focusing on setting a family environment. What is she to do if he can’t fix this problem and she needs to deal with infantile diabetes or some birth defect or any other emergency for that matter. He doesn’t even admit to a problem, which shows immaturity. How is his lack of resolve to be a future roll model for his children? If the children get caught up in drugs or bad habits, is he going to set an example when the kids find out his habit.?

He shows his spirit is not with the marriage and is in fact guilty of lust and adultery by desire and was in this state when he uttered his oath.

We can thank God the situation is reparable, but she shares some guilt for her situation. Time to shake the dust from her sandals and call it a bad dream and move on.

IMHO.

Andy
How do I share some guilt for this situation? For having married him, suspecting he has this occasional vice? Show me a man without sin - and I´ll gladly marry him, but unfortunately this man DOES NOT EXIST.

So again I ask, where is my guilt in this?
 
This is going to sound harsh, but I think the title of this thread should be changed to, “I lied to myself about who and what my boyfriend was, and now I don’t like what I got!”

You knew he used porn before you married him. You chose to marry him anyway. From his point of view, you are suddenly changing the rules and it probably feels pretty unfair to him.

You may be able to cleanse this scourge from your marriage, but it’s gonna be a long row to hoe.

Prayers.
 
Does your husband realize that pornography objectifies women – including you – such that he will view you not as a partner in Christ but as a means to self-gratification? I am guessing that is part of the reason you object to his viewing habits. Make sure he appreciates your feelings.

My wife has a friend whose husband suffers from the same addiction and it brings this woman much sorrow.

Whomever suggested confession is spot-on, not only for this issue, but as a good habit. The graces that seemed like so much hocus-pocus to me growing up have become very real and influential. Going to confession on a regular basis is one of the best things one can do for building up one’s faith life. And this is something the two of you could do together – going to church together, confessing separately, of course!

Someone else suggested praying together more often. In the morning, starting the day in prayer together is good. Any prayer together, especially the rosary and spontaneous prayer, makes the husband and wife humble as they approach God acknowledging – in front of each other – their need for God’s help. It’s also a great way to invite God into the marriage.

Finally, do you share the same computer? If not, try to spend some time in front of it, either catching up on your email or reading articles of interest to you. After a week or so, put a little picture of your husband and a little picture of the Blessed Mother close together, near the monitor, in plain sight. If your husband asks why, tell him you’re developing an affection for her, just as you have an affection for him. If he moves the pictures, put them back the next time you are on the computer and keep this up 'til he leaves the pictures alone. I would think it’s hard to look at objectionable pictures with Mary staring right at him or with his picture there – like a mirror – reminding him of his wife’s love for him.

Sorry for rambling. Keep praying!

God bless,
Dan
Dan that is a great suggestion about the holy picture next to the computer - I split my sides laughing when I first read your post!! I´ll definately put that one into practice.

Confession is a must-do, as other posters pointed out, and daily prayer is something I´d like us to do together although I´m not exactly sure how. I was a (very) lapsed Catholic when my husband and I first met, indeed I was a bisexual, practicing Pagan. My friends and family howled in laughter 5 years ago when they heard I´d VOLUNTARILY ventured into a church!! They said they were surprised I did not spontaniously combust entering consegrated ground!

Anyway, I came back to the church bit by bit over the last 6 years, and definitavely so while we were doing our pre-marriage course. I found it very helpful and was deeply affected, and indeed wept as I confessed for the first time in 15 years. So it must be rather surreal for my husband that his wife is getting so religious.

Does anybody have a suggestion for a daily prayer, something for “beginners” 🙂
 
This is going to sound harsh, but I think the title of this thread should be changed to, “I lied to myself about who and what my boyfriend was, and now I don’t like what I got!”

You knew he used porn before you married him. You chose to marry him anyway. From his point of view, you are suddenly changing the rules and it probably feels pretty unfair to him.

You may be able to cleanse this scourge from your marriage, but it’s gonna be a long row to hoe.

Prayers.
Yes that DOES sound harsh Saltyserena. Besides telling me “tough luck, you knew what you were getting”, have you any USEFUL suggestions?

But you do have a point about changing the rules. That´s why I think I probably need to proceed gently on this issue.
 
Hi there. I´ve been married just 5 weeks and last Friday I came home unexpectedly from a cancelled gym class to find my new husband viewing pornography. I couldn´t believe it.

I find the idea that he views porn a bit repulsive, and it make me feel inadequate especially when he stays up late at night" and I´m lying upstairs alone in bed waiting for him. I´ve been told I´m considered “hot” by men and I´ve never had a shortage of male attention as I have a good figure so why won´t my husband turn off the computer and come to me instead! If he´s like this while I´m young and have a good figure, what will he be like then I´m older and lose my figure?

But what hurts me most are his lies, now I feel like I can´t really trust ANYTHING he says.

We have been dating for 6 years and living together for the last 3 years (yes I know people won´t approve), and I was always aware that he was secretly viewing pornography occasionally but each time I raised the issue he denied it, telling me that the computer has a virus and that´s why I found porn files in the hard disk. But since he´s a computer technician and I´m not, I was unable to prove that this was not the case. Then last Friday I could him red handed, and he still denied it.

All last night I spent searching catholic advice websites to know what to do and this morning I confronted him with evidence on the hard disk. He hotly denied it at first, getting extremely angry that I´d been “snooping around his stuff” but when he realised I had incrovertable evidence he eventually gave in and bit by bit told me the truth. He maintains that he lied to me beacuse I would react badly if he told the truth, beacuse he knows I´m not comfortable with porn. We have made up and he´s agreed not to lie to me any more.

How can I trust his word from here on in?

As things stand, I think he´s still going to view porn occasionally because he doesn´t see it as doing anything wrong. My real problem now from here is that he doesn´t see porn as a bad thing or a big deal. I don´t know how to get him to see that it will be bad for our marriage.

How do I get him to see that porn is bad for us?

HELP PLEASE, I´m living in a foreign country without family support or close friends so I´ve no real support system.
Dear Bibagirl,

You could suggest your husband to take the diagnostic test on the www.sa.org website. They are similar to SLAA except that the sexual sobriety definition of SA is closer to a Christian view of sobriety where SLAA leaves a lot of wiggle-room for sexual behavior which is immoral from a Christian point of view. See the wikipedia entry on Sexaholics Anonymous.

SA in Spain: sa.org/top/Spain/

However all this requires your husband’s initiative. He would have to realize his sexual behavior as “sinful” and “addictive.” So this change of heart in him could be your Mass and prayer intention.

+Fr. Gregory
 
Thank you whatevergirl. You have a much more realistic take on the situation that some other posters, as well as just being nicer to me in my emotionally fragile state!!

However I feel that occasional viewing of porn does not convert somebody into a porn addict, just as the occasional glass of wine does not convert somebody into an alcoholic. At the same time it´s a destructive habit that I do not want to my husband to have, so I´m going to support him and be gentle and understanding. I myself have viewed porn in the past (before the marriage) but am not proud of it, and I did tell my husband about it, so I know about temptation of the flesh. And I did not view it because my husband was inadequate, it was more curiosity than anything. That´s why I know it´s not my fault he sometimes views porn, just as it wasn´t his fault I viewed porn.
hi there 👋

*Yes, I hear you. My dh and I viewed it together earlier in our marriage, and we both liked it. My reasons for viewing it differed from his, I found it to an exciting “addition” to our marriage. But, I’ll say this…what started out as occasionally looking at it, turned into every weekend kind of thing. As we immersed ourselves in the faith more and more, it just sort of fell away from our lives, from our thinking. The #1 problem with porn though (in addtion to it objectifying women and tainting the sex act) is that our brains **remember **those images…forever, it seems. What it did ‘to’ us was that I no longer could think about he and I together (when we were “together”), but I thought about those images, and not my husband. 😊 That is not how marital sexuality really should be, and I’m so grateful that we woke up to how damaging it could have become. This was a long time ago, but I would be lying if I said I never ever think of those images anymore. Hardly at all, but they are still in my memory bank. I often confess this, during confession. It is not unsual for married couples to ‘do’ this together, albeit women and men view it differently.

If my dh were to view it now…on his own, in secret, I would wonder why he wouldn’t be telling me about it. Maybe he thinks because we are so far removed from it, I’d be angry, but I’m not naive…porn is everywhere on the internet. :mad: I think I’d be angriest the most, because we have teenagers now, and our 16 yr old son, we have warned him of porn on the internet, and have talks about it, etc. I would be angry if my son or daughter stumbled upon my husband’s internet history consisting of porn…I might be angrier over that, than anything else. I think when you have kids, and they become teens–your choice of behaviors change for them, also. **The habits we have, good bad or otherwise, don’t only affect the married couple, but affect THE FAMILY. **

You are right in forgiving your husband of this…I do think that he needs to stop viewing it though–completely…there is no room for this type of an ‘occasional’ vice, I’m afraid. :o Because porn is so effective in seeping into our longterm memory banks, even occasionally can be damaging. I think that as long as he is willing to change the behavior – there is hope. God bless, and good luck to you both! :hug1:*
 
hi there 👋

*Yes, I hear you. My dh and I viewed it together earlier in our marriage, and we both liked it. My reasons for viewing it differed from his, I found it to an exciting “addition” to our marriage. But, I’ll say this…what started out as occasionally looking at it, turned into every weekend kind of thing. As we immersed ourselves in the faith more and more, it just sort of fell away from our lives, from our thinking. The #1 problem with porn though is that our brains remember those images…forever, it seems. What it did ‘to’ us was that I no longer could think about he and I together (when we were “together”), but I thought about those images, and not my husband. 😊 That is not how marital sexuality really should be, and I’m so grateful that we woke up to how damaging it could have become. This was a long time ago, but I would be lying if I said I never ever think of those images anymore. Hardly at all, but they are still in my memory bank. I often confess this, during confession. It is not unsual for married couples to ‘do’ this together, albeit women and men view it differently.

If my dh were to view it now…on his own, in secret, I would wonder why he wouldn’t be telling me about it. Maybe he thinks because we are so far removed from it, I’d be angry, but I’m not naive…porn is everywhere on the internet. :mad: I think I’d be angriest the most, because we have teenagers now, and our 16 yr old son, we have warned him of porn on the internet, and have talks about it, etc. I would be angry if my son or daughter stumbled upon my husband’s internet history consisting of porn…I might be angrier over that, than anything else. I think when you have kids, and they become teens–your choice of behaviors change for them, also. **The habits we have, good bad or otherwise, don’t only affect the married couple, but affect THE FAMILY. ***
You are right in forgiving your husband of this…I do think that he needs to stop viewing it though–completely…there is no room for this type of an ‘occasional’ vice, I’m afraid. :o Because porn is so effective in seeping into our longterm memory banks, even occasionally can be damaging. I think that as long as he is willing to change the behavior – there is hope. God bless, and good luck to you both! :hug1:
Whatevergirl thanks for your understanding.

While other posters have suggested drastic measures such as immediate annulment, or divorce over this issue, or in other cases blame me for the problem and have been in some cases downright nasty, I really appreciate a friendly face and also the fact that you have lived through this and this way you are giving me very practical advice.

It also gives me hope that we can both leave porn behind us, as you and your husband have been able to do.

That´s a good point on how the porn gets into your head. I can identify with that. It´s the unseen and longer lasting damage. Thanks again:)
 
Hi there. I´ve been married just 5 weeks and last Friday I came home unexpectedly from a cancelled gym class to find my new husband viewing pornography. I couldn´t believe it.

I find the idea that he views porn a bit repulsive, and it make me feel inadequate especially when he stays up late at night" and I´m lying upstairs alone in bed waiting for him. I´ve been told I´m considered “hot” by men and I´ve never had a shortage of male attention as I have a good figure so why won´t my husband turn off the computer and come to me instead! If he´s like this while I´m young and have a good figure, what will he be like then I´m older and lose my figure?

But what hurts me most are his lies, now I feel like I can´t really trust ANYTHING he says.

We have been dating for 6 years and living together for the last 3 years (yes I know people won´t approve), and I was always aware that he was secretly viewing pornography occasionally but each time I raised the issue he denied it, telling me that the computer has a virus and that´s why I found porn files in the hard disk. But since he´s a computer technician and I´m not, I was unable to prove that this was not the case. Then last Friday I could him red handed, and he still denied it.

All last night I spent searching catholic advice websites to know what to do and this morning I confronted him with evidence on the hard disk. He hotly denied it at first, getting extremely angry that I´d been “snooping around his stuff” but when he realised I had incrovertable evidence he eventually gave in and bit by bit told me the truth. He maintains that he lied to me beacuse I would react badly if he told the truth, beacuse he knows I´m not comfortable with porn. We have made up and he´s agreed not to lie to me any more.

How can I trust his word from here on in?

As things stand, I think he´s still going to view porn occasionally because he doesn´t see it as doing anything wrong. My real problem now from here is that he doesn´t see porn as a bad thing or a big deal. I don´t know how to get him to see that it will be bad for our marriage.

How do I get him to see that porn is bad for us?

HELP PLEASE, I´m living in a foreign country without family support or close friends so I´ve no real support system.
I’m a non-theist, so you may want to skip my post. But I’m giving you a secular perspective. I’m also only responding to the OP because I’m too lazy to read through this whole thread.

Does he never have sex with you? If the love-making is still happening with a relatively high frequency, then my next few paragraphs especially apply. If he’s never having sex with you, then skip my post until the “If you want him to stop” part near the end.

Some men want a fantasy. It’s like watching a movie about race-cars…sometimes that’s fun even if the man watching the movie doesn’t really want to drive a dangerous car, he just wants a normal car, but to watch the fantasy.
That’s sort of the way I am. Take Spider-Man, for example. I love watching those movies, and I love fantasizing about being him. But I would hate it if I actually were him; I would hate the responsibility, and the near-death experiences from fighting super villains. I like the fantasy, but wish it to remain a fantasy.
That’s how I am with porn too. I like watching the half-plastic woman doing…”stuff”, but would rather date a “girl next door” type. I wouldn’t want to date someone who even looked like a porn star; it’s not what I want in my “non-fantasies”.

Maybe he lied to you because he doesn’t think porn is a big deal, but knew you did. Imagine for a moment that your man thinks gardening is wicked. (Weird, I know, but go with me on this one.) If you really like gardening, you may lie and tend to a garden in secret. A lie is still a lie, but when you look at it that way, it’s easier to understand the lie, and even prevent future lies!
The fact that he lied is immoral. However, perhaps he was coerced (or coerced himself) into the lie about something he doesn’t view as wrong?

Porn only is bad for your relationship because you have a problem with it. There’s really nothing wrong with porn itself. (Most of the negative parts of porn could be done away with without getting rid of porn itself.)
I think if you realize that he probably just wants the porn for a neat fantasy (like watching a movie about magic or race cars), you may be able to view porn (pun!) in a different light.
My ex girlfriend, for example, used to watch some porn with me, sometimes at her suggestion. And yes, we split up, but for reasons unrelated to porn. The strife of arguing over porn never happened with us, because we both thought porn was ok.

If you do want him to stop:
Try sitting down with him and explaining why porn upsets you. DON’T have this conversation be like he’s done something wrong, and you’re explaining why it’s wrong.
DO approach it like he COULD be right about porn being OK, and see if you can communicate your way towards and understanding.
In order to do this, you may have to ignore the fact that he lied (or have it be a seperate conversation).

Note: I’m only in these forums infrequently. I really am trying to help, but I don’t know if I’ll have time to respond to people responding to this post. Sorry, if that be the case.
 
Does he never have sex with you? If the love-making is still happening with a relatively high frequency, then my next few paragraphs especially apply. If he’s never having sex with you, then skip my post until the “If you want him to stop” part near the end.

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Fortunately we have a good marital relationship, well right up to when he lied to me a few days ago. It was the bare-faced lie that really got to me. I never thought he would lie directly. I knew sometimes he skirts around issues but telling direct lies, I just didn´t believe he was capable of it. Amazing, I know, that after 6 years together I´m still finding out things about my husband. I was utterly shocked he could lie like that to me.
Some men want a fantasy. It’s like watching a movie about race-cars…sometimes that’s fun even if the man watching the movie doesn’t really want to drive a dangerous car, he just wants a normal car, but to watch the fantasy.
That’s sort of the way I am. Take Spider-Man, for example. I love watching those movies, and I love fantasizing about being him. But I would hate it if I actually were him; I would hate the responsibility, and the near-death experiences from fighting super villains. I like the fantasy, but wish it to remain a fantasy.
That’s how I am with porn too. I like watching the half-plastic woman doing…”stuff”, but would rather date a “girl next door” type. I wouldn’t want to date someone who even looked like a porn star; it’s not what I want in my “non-fantasies”.

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I think that´s a pretty accurate view on how most guys see porn, including my husband.
Maybe he lied to you because he doesn’t think porn is a big deal, but knew you did. Imagine for a moment that your man thinks gardening is wicked. (Weird, I know, but go with me on this one.) If you really like gardening, you may lie and tend to a garden in secret. A lie is still a lie, but when you look at it that way, it’s easier to understand the lie, and even prevent future lies!
The fact that he lied is immoral. However, perhaps he was coerced (or coerced himself) into the lie about something he doesn’t view as wrong?

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This is so true. It describes the situation down to a tee.
Porn only is bad for your relationship because you have a problem with it. There’s really nothing wrong with porn itself. (Most of the negative parts of porn could be done away with without getting rid of porn itself.)
I think if you realize that he probably just wants the porn for a neat fantasy (like watching a movie about magic or race cars), you may be able to view porn (pun!) in a different light.
My ex girlfriend, for example, used to watch some porn with me, sometimes at her suggestion. And yes, we split up, but for reasons unrelated to porn. The strife of arguing over porn never happened with us, because we both thought porn was ok.

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I know I have a problem with it, but I I just wish he would divert more of his sexual energy into the marriage bed. I want to get him to see that he doesn´t need porn when he has a willing wife who loves him and who still has her figure.
If you do want him to stop:
Try sitting down with him and explaining why porn upsets you. DON’T have this conversation be like he’s done something wrong, and you’re explaining why it’s wrong.
DO approach it like he COULD be right about porn being OK, and see if you can communicate your way towards and understanding.
In order to do this, you may have to ignore the fact that he lied (or have it be a seperate conversation).
Good advice. I was mixing the two issues when talking to him about this. He knows porn upsets me, that´s why he keeps it secret but women´s intuition always tells me and I know when he´s being doing it. He seems to do it particularly when he´s stressed.

I´ve been given great advice by you and other posters (confession, involvement in catholic community, daily reflection and prayer) and especially the one about putting the holy picture next to the computer - that´s ingenious!!

Thanks DustinM
 
I’m a non-theist, so you may want to skip my post. But I’m giving you a secular perspective. I’m also only responding to the OP because I’m too lazy to read through this whole thread.

Does he never have sex with you? If the love-making is still happening with a relatively high frequency, then my next few paragraphs especially apply. If he’s never having sex with you, then skip my post until the “If you want him to stop” part near the end.

Some men want a fantasy. It’s like watching a movie about race-cars…sometimes that’s fun even if the man watching the movie doesn’t really want to drive a dangerous car, he just wants a normal car, but to watch the fantasy.
That’s sort of the way I am. Take Spider-Man, for example. I love watching those movies, and I love fantasizing about being him. But I would hate it if I actually were him; I would hate the responsibility, and the near-death experiences from fighting super villains. I like the fantasy, but wish it to remain a fantasy.
That’s how I am with porn too. I like watching the half-plastic woman doing…”stuff”, but would rather date a “girl next door” type. I wouldn’t want to date someone who even looked like a porn star; it’s not what I want in my “non-fantasies”.

Maybe he lied to you because he doesn’t think porn is a big deal, but knew you did. Imagine for a moment that your man thinks gardening is wicked. (Weird, I know, but go with me on this one.) If you really like gardening, you may lie and tend to a garden in secret. A lie is still a lie, but when you look at it that way, it’s easier to understand the lie, and even prevent future lies!
The fact that he lied is immoral. However, perhaps he was coerced (or coerced himself) into the lie about something he doesn’t view as wrong?

Porn only is bad for your relationship because you have a problem with it. There’s really nothing wrong with porn itself. (Most of the negative parts of porn could be done away with without getting rid of porn itself.)
I think if you realize that he probably just wants the porn for a neat fantasy (like watching a movie about magic or race cars), you may be able to view porn (pun!) in a different light.
My ex girlfriend, for example, used to watch some porn with me, sometimes at her suggestion. And yes, we split up, but for reasons unrelated to porn. The strife of arguing over porn never happened with us, because we both thought porn was ok.

If you do want him to stop:
Try sitting down with him and explaining why porn upsets you. DON’T have this conversation be like he’s done something wrong, and you’re explaining why it’s wrong.
DO approach it like he COULD be right about porn being OK, and see if you can communicate your way towards and understanding.
In order to do this, you may have to ignore the fact that he lied (or have it be a seperate conversation).

Note: I’m only in these forums infrequently. I really am trying to help, but I don’t know if I’ll have time to respond to people responding to this post. Sorry, if that be the case.
Oddly enough, I agree with this post. :o My dh and I both liked the fantasy of it all–you hit the nail on the head, I couldn’t figure out how to express that, and you did it.

Despite that though…it leads to wanting to take things further. Sort of like a person who starts off with pot…then he/she wants to try stronger things (never did drugs, but have heard this) Same holds true with porn viewing, which whether a person is religious or not, is why it’s dangerous. Yes, dangerous. It can lead a person, or a couple, to wanting to push the envelope, and maybe take the fantasy and make it real.

And it objectifies women. I feel sorry for the women in porn, because no one is thinking of them as people, or individuals with interests, dreams and goals…rather, they are thought of as sexual entertainment and a way for people to keep from being intimate in a wholesome way.

The thing I disagree with, is that whether or not the OP and her husband are making love frequently, the porn is unhealthy. Fantasizing about others while you are making love to your spouse is a bad thing–I speak from experience. It’s **not **healthy, not edifying to a marriage. So we disagree there. I think our society would have us believe it’s healthy, like masturbation is “healthy,” but it’s not. It can be fleetingly gratifying, but it hurts our soul. It hurts others. That combination can never be good.

But, I definitely think that men who view porn as a solo activity, do so in secret because they are ashamed that they like that fantasy life.

I have a feeling bibagirl, that you are most offended by his blatantly lying about this, than perhaps that he viewed porn at all. Both are offensive to you, but the lying…that is what hurts. Praying that you both can get past this…and that he chooses to let go of this habit. *
 
Dustin, the reason the anaolgy does not work … gardening is morally neutral while pornography is gravely immoral.

One does not go to hell for gardening.
 
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