My reverse challenge to Muslims

[freedomm]

To Cathlics/Christians:

First of all it is really strange to see this thread. Then to those who are “challenging” the Holy Quran, after 1400 years.

Probably they (Christians) are not aware of the fact that no one has been able to meet the challenge of the Holy Quran so far in the last 1400 years. And no other religious book has such religious and spiritual impact on billions of people in the last 1400 years.

As to the Scriptures given to the previous Prophets such as Taurait or Zaboor or Injeel, ofcourse they were too Word of God and they too had the same impact on their respective nations of those previous national Prophets of God (PBUT). Muslims do not claim that all of their contents are lost or changed. What Muslims say is people who came after the period of their Prophets did change the previous Messages given to them for various reasons.

Now what you have in your hands in the name of Bible(s), does contain some portions of the previous Divine Messages and those do and must have impact on people whoever read them with good intention.

But the fact that all Biblical books are not Word of God per se, remains, because they contain other stuff in them.

I won’t be surprised if a sincere person who never heard of the Holy Quran, but had access only to the Bible and impressed with the portions that are belonged to lost revelations.

And it is natural that all those passges that make sense in the Torah, the Prophets and the “Gospels” are in complete harmony and compatible with the essence of the Holy Quran because they all have a common source, God Almighty. Thus all Muslims are made to believe by Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) that all those were books revealed by Allah. Believing in those previous lost books, is part of Muslim faith. And rejecting any one Prophet of God is like rejecting all Prophets of God. This is one of the fundamental principles of Islamic faith.

Some Christians, out of their ignorance or some other personal reasons, neglect this fact and came forward to reject the whole Holy Quran, without realising that rejecting the Holy Quran also mean rejecting the main essence of the previous Prophets of God (PBUH).

Catholics must atleast read what their own Bible scholars have already admitted:

No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author–all have been in some way altered.
[CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: New Testament]](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14530a.htm#IV])

This alteration has caused lot of problems thus no two so-called “original” manuscripts of Greek NT are alike, in terms of their contents, number of books, total verses etc. Not to mention Greek was not the native language of Jesus.

If you only read the prefaces of all the Gospels (in your New American Bible) it must suffice to prove that these are not the actual Message of Jesus but biographies written by unknown people which contain some excerpts/portions of Jesus’ words alongwith proven interpolations, additions, ommisions etc.

Thus all the words that are reported to have uttered by Jesus in the whole Greek NT is no more than 10%. The rest is filled with complicated, contradictory and inconsistent texts that cannot be called word of God from any angle.

Paul may be good writer but what his good writing has to do with Jesus or someone else’ salvation if he goes against the 10% reported words of Jesus?

Each one is responsible for his own actions and salvations. Paul is not going to save you on the Day of Judgement with his rhetoric and deceptive words. He has monopolised the NT’s most books (due to his links with the Romans) and he appears to be the central figure instead of Jesus. He has demolished the whole mission of Jesus which his carefull manipulation.

If you call Paul’s words, word of God then Jesus’ words were not Prophetic/Words from God. Either Jesus is a liar or Paul. Both cannot be right because they both are not in agreement. Not to mention while Jesus was busy in conveying God’s Message and Good News with signs, wonders and miracles and sincere Jews were embracing his Messages and realising that Eternal life comes only from keeping the Divine Laws and the Commandemnts of God, Paul was busy in persecuting Jesus’ followers to derail Jesus’ whole mission. No mircale, no sign, no wonder of Jesus stopped Paul to “kick against the pricks”. This man cannot be trusted. His vision on Damascus road means nothing. What counts is what did he do afterwords. Did he retain Jesus’ mission or did he derail the very essence of Jesus’ Message thus made Jesus’ hardship meaningless. So either Jesus were a liar or Paul.

It is upto the Catholics to pick one if they are really concerned about their Eternal life. And pay attention to Matthew 12:50 to realise the main essence and purpose of Jesus’ mission.

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Now …
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[freedomm]

To Cathlics/Christians:

Now with Allah’s Grace, Islam (the Will of God), is the fastest-growing religion.

As per BBC, UK’s ISLAM FACT FILE:

There are two billion Muslims world-wide.

The Qur’an is the most widely read book in the world. All Muslims memorise parts of it to recite in their prayers.
[bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml])

And:
There are two billion Muslims on the planet, praying at the same time - that’s quite a force," Yvonne Ridley says. [bbc.co.uk/homeground/archive/2004/yvonne_ridley.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/homeground/archive/2004/yvonne_ridley.shtml])

Please visit the following site, for details about:

**THE PERFECTION OF THE QUR’AN **
FROM THE LITERARY ASPECT

THE INIMITABILITY OF THE QUR’AN
COMMENTS ABOUT THE QUR’AN FROM VARIOUS SCHOLARS
SELECTION OF OTHER STATEMENTS REGARDING THE QUR’AN​

harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p5_01.php​

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[sadie2723]

freedomm:

To Cathlics/Christians:

Now with Allah’s Grace, Islam (the Will of God), is the fastest-growing religion.

As per BBC, UK’s ISLAM FACT FILE:

There are two billion Muslims world-wide.

The Qur’an is the most widely read book in the world. All Muslims memorise parts of it to recite in their prayers.
[bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml])

And:
There are two billion Muslims on the planet, praying at the same time - that’s quite a force," Yvonne Ridley says. [bbc.co.uk/homeground/archive/2004/yvonne_ridley.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/homeground/archive/2004/yvonne_ridley.shtml])

Please visit the following site, for details about:

**THE PERFECTION OF THE QUR’AN **
FROM THE LITERARY ASPECT

THE INIMITABILITY OF THE QUR’AN
COMMENTS ABOUT THE QUR’AN FROM VARIOUS SCHOLARS
SELECTION OF OTHER STATEMENTS REGARDING THE QUR’AN​

harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p5_01.php​

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The next thing you are going to be telling me is that Islam is the religion of peace… :whacky:

 

[exoflare]

freedomm:

To Cathlics/Christians:

First of all it is really strange to see this thread. Then to those who are “challenging” the Holy Quran, after 1400 years.

Probably they (Christians) are not aware of the fact that no one has been able to meet the challenge of the Holy Quran so far in the last 1400 years. And no other religious book has such religious and spiritual impact on billions of people in the last 1400 years.

Well freedomm, apparently your fellow Muslims seem to think differently from you. They seem to have acknowledged just how ridiculous this crazy challenge is already.

 

[freedomm]

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Well freedomm, apparently your fellow Muslims seem to think differently from you. They seem to have acknowledged just how ridiculous this crazy challenge is already.

Dear exoflare:

I think you misunderstood the whole thing.

If a challenge comes from a man like the one who created this thread then ofcourse this man’s challenge is ridiculous and worthless thus I did not bother to respond it right away nor do I think Mr. Muslim and Mr. shadowcry was/is really interested in refuting the Opening Post of this non-sense thread.

Whereas the challenge of the Holy Quran is from the One Who created us all – the God Almighty, thus His challenge is a Real Challenge which has not met by anyone in last 1400 years to the degree/level of Holy Quran’s impact, spiritual impression and literary miraculous nature that has made billions of people of this earth over 1400 years to surrender to it’s Holiness, whenever they approached sincerely and honestly.

Despite all kinds of shallow/hollow counter “challenges” from non-muslims and enemies of Islam, the non-Muslim Western famous media outlet now is eventually forced to tell the whole world that:

The Qur’an is the most widely read book in the world. All Muslims memorise parts of it to recite in their prayers.

[bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ley_iraq.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ley_iraq.shtml])

And an another famous non-muslim print-media of the West (America) is acknowledging and informing you, me and the whole world that:

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States and is expected to become the second-largest religious bloc here in the next few years, but the government has not tapped into its own community as part of the global outreach, U.S. officials say.

“It’s very important for American Muslims to be involved, as they’re an important conduit to the wider Islamic world and they should be speaking out,” the second U.S. official added. “But American Muslims generally feel they’re not included like other communities. We should be talking to them, as they have a lot of knowledge of the region.”

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61213-2005Apr17.html ]

Thus it is time for you and all to approach the Holy Quran with sincere and kind heart and recognise the continuation and culmination of same Truth taught by ‘a man approved of God’ – Prophet Jesus (PBUH) and prophesised in these words:

But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will convince the world of sin, and of justice, and of judgment. Of sin: because they believed not in me. And of justice: because I go to the Father; and you shall see me no longer. And of judgment: because the prince of this world is already judged.

I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. —John 16:7-13

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Allah says in the Holy Quran:

Surah AnNajm 53:3-6

He [Prophet Muhammed] does not speak of his own desire; it is but a Revelation which is sent down to him. One mighty in power has taught him, who is endowed with great wisdom.​

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[LilyM]

freedomm:

Dear exoflare:

I think you misunderstood the whole thing.

If a challenge comes from a man like the one who created this thread then ofcourse this man’s challenge is ridiculous and worthless thus I did not bother to respond it right away nor do I think Mr. Muslim and Mr. shadowcry was/is really interested in refuting this non-sense thread.

Whereas the challenge of the Holy Quran is from the One Who created us all – the God Almighty, thus His challenge is a Real Challenge which has not met by anyone in last 1400 years to the degree/level of Holy Quran’s impact, spiritual impression and literary miraculous nature that has made billions of people of this earth over 1400 years to surrender to it’s Holiness, whenever they approached sincerely and honestly.

Despite all kinds of shallow/hollow counter “challenges” from non-muslims and enemies of Islam, the non-Muslim Western famous media outlet now is eventually forced to tell the whole world that:

The Qur’an is the most widely read book in the world. All Muslims memorise parts of it to recite in their prayers.

[bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ley_iraq.shtml]](http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/nort...ley_iraq.shtml])

And an another famous non-muslim print-media of the West (America) is acknowledging and informing you, me and the whole world that:

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States and is expected to become the second-largest religious bloc here in the next few years, but the government has not tapped into its own community as part of the global outreach, U.S. officials say.

“It’s very important for American Muslims to be involved, as they’re an important conduit to the wider Islamic world and they should be speaking out,” the second U.S. official added. “But American Muslims generally feel they’re not included like other communities. We should be talking to them, as they have a lot of knowledge of the region.”

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61213-2005Apr17.html ]

Thus it is time for you and all to approach the Holy Quran with sincere and kind heart and recognise the continuation and culmination of same Truth taught by ‘a man approved of God’ – Prophet Jesus (PBUH) and prophesised in these words:

But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will convince the world of sin, and of justice, and of judgment. Of sin: because they believed not in me. And of justice: because I go to the Father; and you shall see me no longer. And of judgment: because the prince of this world is already judged.

I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. —John 16:7-13

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Allah says in the Holy Quran:

Surah AnNajm 53:3-6

He [Prophet Muhammed] does not speak of his own desire; it is but a Revelation which is sent down to him. One mighty in power has taught him, who is endowed with great wisdom.​

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So Allah is a literary critic as well now is he? In between manufacturing a miraculous ‘apparent’ death for the bafflement of Jesus’ followers and finding all those virgins for his martyrs he must be very busy …

And I do think the writers of the Gospels would have a little something to say about whether their writings have had as much ‘impact’ as the Quran …

It’d be interesting to see how sales of the Quran compare even to those of even just the King James Version of the Bible - I think the KJV would have to come out on top.

 

[Ishmael_s_child]

Daniel Marsh:

keep it for you , Daniel
this is prove that the people of the book ( scripture) changed the bible before thats their deeds…
anyway thanx , you proved this qur’anic verse"
78. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
waw this verse is alive!!!(it talks about some people whom we saw nowdays).

1. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, “there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans).” but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it.

 

[freedomm]

LilyM:

It’d be interesting to see how sales of the Quran compare even to those of even just the King James Version of the Bible - I think the KJV would have to come out on top.

Dear LilyM:

KJV has already gone through atleast FIVE MAJOR REVISIONS because all previous versions HAD GREAT DEFECTS:

Defects of the King James Version
EXCELLENT BUT DEFECTIVE.
[L'apologie chrétienne dans les jeux vidéos - On les appelle les easter eggs et ils sont partout, même dans les jeux PS4]](L'apologie chrétienne dans les jeux vidéos - On les appelle les easter eggs et ils sont partout, même dans les jeux PS4])

"Yet the King James Version has serious defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of biblical studies and the discovery of many biblical manuscripts more ancient than those on which the King James Version was based made it apparent that these defects were so many as to call for revision. The task was begun, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870…
bibletexts.com/reviews/bibles/nrsv.htm ]​

Every version of your Bible over a period of time, became outdated as langauges either improved or degraded or almost disappeared or translations had great defects as your Bible Christian scholars (not Muslims) have noticed.

Even your Douay Rheims Bible (English) version is long ago outdated thus your Papacy ordered a new fresh translation to be made in 70’s because the “miraculousness” of Latin Vulgate was not anymore miraculous.

As to the Holy Quran’s revelation language; it’s Arabic original text and it’s langauge is still alive, as it is, since 1400 years. It is the Arabic Text which called the Holy Quran and not the translations.

You don’t even have a gospel of Jesus in his native langauge to see what exact words he used and preached. Translated words in Greek cannot be trusted especially when you don’t even know the precise authors of most books of your New Testament’s books.​

Read the following:

Catholic Catechism: Lesson 16:
Differences Between Catholic And Protestant Versions
drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson16 ]

also:
8. What was the result of the general dissatisfaction with these Latin translations?

Pope Damasus (Pope from 366 to 384) commissioned St. Jerome to make a new and accurate translation.

1. How did St Jerome go about this work?
   He studied carefully the Hebrew and Greek versions, and from these made his new translation.
2. By what name is the Latin translation of St. Jerome known?
   It is known as the Vulgate Version. Vulgate means common or vulgar in Latin and it was called so because Latin was the common tongue of the Western Roman Empire

1. 
   drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson10 ]

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[LilyM]

And yet, with all these ‘imperfect’, ‘defective’, ‘inaccurate’ and ‘incomplete’ versions of the Bible (which any Christian with mroe than two brain cells is well aware of), it still has just as many followers as your ‘perfect’ ‘perfectly preserved’ ‘written on stone tablets in heaven’ Quran.

You might want to think about that …

 

[freedomm]

cestusdei:

I claim that nothing is more beautiful then Jesus words in the gospels. This is proof of their truth. No one has matched them. But if you can produce just 10 words that rival Jesus’ words in the gospel I will convert to Islam. Pick any part of the quran or Islamic poetry that you like. Post it here and take your best shot.

PS: Of course I get to be the judge. Good luck!

Dear cestusdei:

You mean rival to these following words reported to have uttered by Jesus in your “gospels”:

**- hypocrites

• blind guides
• Blind fools
• You blind ones
• full of plunder
• self-indulged
• full of dead men’s bones
• every kind of filth
• evildoers.
• the children of those who murdered the prophets
• serpents
• brood of vipers**

But these are twelve terms and not ten.

 

[melbourne_guy]

debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html
Great site on how perfect the koran is

“One major (and often un-addressed) question is – how much can we rely upon the memories of the early Muslims? Can we assume that they not only remembered everything perfectly, but that they heard and understood Muhammad perfectly in the first place?”

“Modern Muslims assert that the current Koran is identical to that recited by Muhammad. But earlier Muslims were more flexible. 'Uthman, A’isha, and Ibn Ka’b (among others) all insisted that much of the Koran had been lost”

“The Quraishites preferred the stories by Nadr son of Harith, who told Persian myths – so Muhammad had him executed.”

"The Koran today is not the same as that given by Muhammad
During the lifetime of the prophet and immediately afterwards verses were circulating that were either apocryphal or mistakenly attributed to the prophet. The 'Uthmanic recension was necessary to deal with the uncertainty regarding the canonical text. “It is clear that in the year 30 AH no official redaction existed. Tradition itself admits that there were various ‘schools,’ one in Iraq, one in Syria, one in al-Basrah, besides others in smaller places, and then, exaggerating in an orthodox sense this scandal, tries to make out that the divergences were wholly immaterial; but such affirmations accord ill with the opposition excited by the caliph’s * act in al-Kufah. The official version must have contained somewhat serious modifications.”

“Kindi’s major argument: 'Ali and Abu Bakr had been squabbling over the succession to Muhammad. 'Ali began collecting the Koran, and others demanded that their bits be included. A variety of codices were written. 'Ali pointed out the divergences to 'Uthman, hoping to undermine them, so 'Uthman had all but one copy destroyed. Four copies of 'Uthman’s codex were made, but all the originals were destroyed. When Hajjaj b. Yusuf became powerful ('Abdul-Malik was caliph – 684-704) he gathered together all the copies of the Koran, changed passages as he wished, destroyed the others and made six copies of the new version. So, how can we possibly distinguish the original from the counterfeit?”

Such a perfect, non-tampered with, un-corruptible book.*

 

[melbourne_guy]

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• brood of vipers

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But these are twelve terms and not ten.

Brood of vipers, thats sounds great, im gonna use that one

 

[freedomm]

Great site on how perfect the koran is

The Holy Quran is the same one since 1400 years.

It is the Bible that no two of thousands of ancient and most ancient MSS of Greek NT are alike.

RCC’s Bible has 72~74 Books and Protestants BIbles has 66 alongwith so many passages, verses added, ommitted, interpolated…

And the funny thing is the classic WOES of Jesus Christ reported by Matthew are SEVEN in some MSS and EIGHT in others. No one really knows how many WOES he used for Jewish Scribes and the Pharisees.

 

[inJESUS]

keep it for you , Daniel
this is prove that the people of the book ( scripture) changed the bible before thats their deeds…

sorry bud but your allah said he preserves the Bible and Jesus’ word unless you are saying he lied?

1. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues

: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! no textual corruption sorry.

waw this verse is alive!!!(it talks about some people whom we saw nowdays).

yes it is alive…it shows how many people do not know what "with their tongues " means …there is a thread called : bible corruption/islamic point of view…waiting for you their to refute it …if you can’t then…save us your deep remarks.

1. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, “there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans).” but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it

no textual corruption as well

 

[inJESUS]

To Cathlics/Christians:

First of all it is really strange to see this thread. Then to those who are “challenging” the Holy Quran, after 1400

years.wrong hadith and muslim scholars talk about abrogated verses, lost verses, verses read a dozen way, millions of added vowels and marks ecc…the quran is written by humans and since humans err, i find it very arrogant and foolish to say they did not err in quran.

Probably they (Christians) are not aware of the fact that no one has been able to meet the challenge of the Holy Quran so far in the last 1400 years.

who told you and WHO was the judge? it seems your “logic” didn’t get the meaning of this thread

And no other religious book has such religious and spiritual impact on billions of people in the last 1400 years.

says who? billions as well read the quran and saw in it plagiarism from Talmud and Jewish/christian nmyth…mmmm thats why i didnt see you on the parallelism thread…i bet you were speachless

As to the Scriptures given to the previous Prophets such as Taurait or Zaboor or Injeel, ofcourse they were too Word of God and they too had the same impact on their respective nations of those previous national Prophets of God (PBUT). Muslims do not

claim that all of their contents are lost or changed. What Muslims say is people who came after the period of their Prophets did change the previous Messages given to them for various reasons. quran did not say so …neither archeology or Dead Sea crolls Quran said allah preserves the Taurah and the Injeel…where is this promise? and he says Jesus’ message will prevail, where is it? oh my oh my…isn’t allah great

Now what you have in your hands in the name of Bible(s), does contain some portions of the previous Divine Messages and those do and must have impact on people whoever read them with good intention.

strange enough, both OT and NT contradict mr. mohammad’s teachings though the OT is the same for 3000 years and the NT has thousands of manuscripts including the sermons of the early Christians who quoted all the NT except 11 verses …Face it , allah said he preserves the Bible and Injeel, and this is the ONLY one Jews and Christians have had.

FUrthermore, we believe in God who said in the Bible that He preserves His word…and if God did not say it, we’d still believe it coz we believe in God who is very serious about his people’s salvation…if you believe ina deceiiver then suit yourself

But the fact that all Biblical books are not

Word of God per se, remains, because they contain other stuff in them. because God does not deal with people with books and words but revelations that PEOPLE write down, including the context ecc…and this applies to quran as well

And it is natural that all those passges that make sense in the Torah, the Prophets and the “Gospels” are in complete harmony and compatible with the essence of the Holy Quran because they all have a common source, God Almighty.

wrong…many contradiict each other…have you forget Moses vs mohammad thread to which no muslim replied? mmm

Thus all Muslims are made to believe by Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) that all those were books revealed by Allah. Believing in those previous lost books, is part of Muslim faith

wrond…you are heretic as per quran…cuz quran asks you to read these books…why did allah ask you to read books that are going to be corrut althou he said he preserves them …and guess what…the bible at mohammads time is the same one today

. And rejecting any one Prophet of God is like rejecting all Prophets of God. This is one of the fundamental principles of Islamic faith.

yea as if you know the teachings of these prophets.

Some Christians, out of their ignorance or some other personal reasons, neglect this fact and came forward to reject the whole Holy Quran, without realising that rejecting the Holy Quran also mean rejecting the main essence of the previous Prophets of God (PBUH).

wrong cuz the teachings of quran contradict the Biblical God…what allh/mohammad calls permissible is called “shameful” and “sinful” by God.

Catholics must atleast read what their own Bible scholars have already admitted:

No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author–all have been in some way altered
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. applies to quran as well.
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[inJESUS]

This alteration has caused lot of problems thus no two so-called “original” manuscripts of Greek NT are alike, in terms of their contents, number of books, total verses etc.

but message? we are not pathetic literalists…we care about meaning not slight variations .

Not to mention Greek was not the native language of Jesus.

but arabic is allah’s language so why not reveal the Bible in arabic? wasn’t it preserved on a tablet as well?

If you only read the prefaces of all the Gospels (in your New American Bible) it must suffice to prove that these are not the actual Message of Jesus but biographies written by unknown people which contain some excerpts/portions of Jesus’ words alongwith proven interpolations, additions, ommisions etc.

ohhh as if we dont know!! the Bible is a TESTIMONY of Jesus, NOT WRITTEN by Jesus…can you tell me WHO WROTE THE QURAN?

Thus all the words that are reported to have uttered by Jesus in the whole Greek NT is no more than 10%. The rest is filled with complicated, contradictory and inconsistent texts that cannot be called word of God from any angle.

wrong…there is no inconsistency…each gave HIS OWN testimony in his OWN WORDS but the 4 gave the SAME MESSAGE: Jesus is son of God who died and was resurrected for us.

Paul may be good writer but what his good writing has to do with Jesus or someone else’ salvation if he goes against the 10% reported words of Jesus?

hypocrite…you were badly debunked so quit it.itshows your filthy intentions on this forum.

Each one is responsible for his own actions and salvations. Paul is not going to save you on the Day of Judgement with his rhetoric and deceptive words. He has monopolised the NT’s most books (due to his links with the Romans) and he appears to be the central figure instead of Jesus. He has demolished the whole mission of Jesus which his carefull manipulation.

Paul’s letters were all about Jesus , hypocrite…as if you read them…pathetic.

If you call Paul’s words, word of God then Jesus’ words were not Prophetic/Words from God.

guess what? what no eye has seen or ear has heard, reported in your hadith is said by Paul

Either Jesus is a liar or Paul.

you are the liar here.

Both cannot be right because they both are not in agreement

they are as showed to your eyes but maybe not mind.

. Did he retain Jesus’ mission or did he derail the very essence of Jesus’ Message

yes he did.

 

[inJESUS]

The Holy Quran is the same one since 1400 years.
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a lie that yu love to convince yourselves with;

It is the Bible that no two

of thousands of ancient and most ancient MSS of Greek NT are alike. meaning the same…variables are normal and insignificant.

RCC’s Bible has 72~74 Books and Protestants BIbles has 66 alongwith so many passages, verses added, ommitted, interpolated…

15 century protestants’ problem.

And the funny thing is the classic WOES of Jesus Christ reported by Matthew are SEVEN in some MSS and EIGHT in others. No one really knows how many WOES he used for Jewish Scribes and the Pharisees.[/INDENT

and what does this have to do with the topic is beyong me…by the way, pharisee are portrayed like muslims today.
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[cestusdei]

The quran is a series of turgid fictions made up by Muhammed (cpuh). God had nothing to do with it. They are the ravings of a meglomaniac. And yes, I have read it.

 

[inJESUS]

well from i read on this thread, muslims who weren’t aware of this quranic challenge found the OP’s challenge stupid and subjective…which tells a lot…if they knew the quranic challenge, they’d have tried their best to defend this absurdity…but luckily they didn’t and they admit how absurd it is…if it is absurd by human standard, think about it it being from God

 

[Shadowcry]

cestusdei:

The quran is a series of turgid fictions made up by Muhammed (cpuh). God had nothing to do with it. They are the ravings of a meglomaniac. And yes, I have read it.

So cestudai shows his true colours.