My Sister is Mormon....

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Please have you sister check out my video on Youtube. My user name is Romgtr. My video is called, “How to find the true religion.” God bless!
 
I hope I didn’t kill this thread.

Even a link to a another resource with an answer would be great.
 
tjlarsen said:
I hope I didn’t kill this thread.

Even a link to a another resource with an answer would be great.
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At the risk of getting clobbered, might I suggest going to lds.org and finding out what the MORMONS think about these things?

Just a thought.

I would not ask about Catholic doctrine in alt.religion.mormon, for instance.

shoot, I wouldn’t ask about Catholic doctrine in HERE. I’d go straight to the apologetics forum, or a website run by Catholics for the express purpose of teaching Catholicism.

Never mind, weird idea. What COULD I have been thinking? :doh2:
Diana
 
I’ve been to LDS.org, FairLDS, and other individual’s mormon sites.

Why ask here? Why not, there seem to be 3-4 individuals here who know a lot about LDS.

If I am missing the right area of LDS.org or FairLDS, please point me.

Tim
 
dianaiad said:
We believe that infants are born innocent of any taint of sin. They don’t need baptism.
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In high school (1970’s), Mormons told me that is true of white babies.
dianaiad said:
By “work,” I mean that we don’t believe that infant baptism does anything for the infant. We believe that infants are born innocent of any taint of sin. They don’t need baptism.
Once we grow up and learn right from wrong? Oh, yeah, then we need it, and need it very badly. So we hold off on the baptisms until the kid is old enough to make decisions and know right from wrong.
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So baptism does not ‘work’ on infants but does ‘work’ after the age of reason. But what is the ‘work’ of baptism?
 
The “work” of baptism, according to Mormons, is the more of your ancestors you dunk, the whiter you get.
 
tjlarsen said:
I am new to this conversation and I apologize if I am hijacking this thread, but I have a questions about LDS that I can’t seem to find an adequate answer to. Also, please receive my question in charity as this debate seems to have sunk a little.

Also, for disclosure, I am Catholic.

What does the LDS church teach about why there is anything at all. What is the origin of existence?

As far as I can find out, LDS’s worship God, who was once a man in another world? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

And before God was God of our world, when he was a man in another world, in a previous world, he was a holy man who worshipped the God of that world and his growing in holiness made him God of our world? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

Did the God of our world create our world or was it already created and he just became God of it?

Our God used to worship another previously existing God and that previously existing God used to worship another even older God, but how did it all start?
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LDS believe that God and the universe have always existed, and that God and the universe will always continue to exist. If you were to believe that there was a beginning, it would be logical to believe that there might someday be an end. We neither believe in a beginning, or that the universe (existence) will ever end.

LDS do worship God, being God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost (or Spirit). There have been many speculations on the nature of God and where He originated which are not an accepted part of LDS doctrine. I think it fair to say that most LDS believe that each person has the potential to become a Son of God, inheriting all of the attributes of the Father (God). Rather than assuming that man is totally different from God, LDS believe that man is the offspring of God, and an integral aspect of God’s very existence. I could go into more depth on this, if you would like.

We believe that God created (organized) this world on which we live.

All of your statements were accurate to a point. There is a distinction between “official doctrine” and “LDS beliefs” in LDS thinking. For this reason, many people dismiss the LDS point-of-view too quickly when they assign someones personal viewpoint to official doctrine and belief.

Thank you for your questions. Please continue the conversation if you have any more comments or questions. You may contact me personally, if you like, at ormsbyhome@gmail.com
 
Dear Sister, my youngest brother also converted to mormonism so I can definately relate to your situation. You should be aware that the LDS church does not consider Jesus to be God of very God like mainstream christianity. He is in fact, according to their teachings, another god. Just like God the father, or ‘heavenly father’ as they like to say, is just one god out of many god’s. This is just one of the many reasons why the LDS church is not considered a christian church and why the Catholic Church does not recognize their sacraments, or ‘ordinances’, like baptism or confirmation. You might be interested to know that a mormon man is taught that if he lives and conducts his life here on earth according to mormon principles, he too will have the chance to be elevated to ‘godhood’, just like ‘heavenly father’. Good luck with your discussions with your sister. God bless 🙂
 
Thank you for a cordial response.

So did God create the universe or was he created by it?

If I understand you correctly the universe wasn’t created at all?

Then how does it exist?

Also, the logic lead me to the fact the God didn’t create us so he is not our creator?

or does the LDS church not address this issue?
 
Jerusha said:
The “work” of baptism, according to Mormons, is the more of your ancestors you dunk, the whiter you get.
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As a “Mormon”, I find your comment and assertion humorous. In reality, we believe that all men must be baptized. God, in his mercy, has created a way that baptism may be accounted to all mankind, including those who have passed on without it.
 
Dear tjlarson, I think the answer to ‘did God create the universe?’ is who was the first god? I’ve asked this question of many a mormon missionary and the response I’ve received is ‘that has not been revealed yet’. According to their beliefs ‘heavenly father’ was once a man living on another planet worshiping his god. After his life was over he was elevated to ‘godhood’ and given his own world. So if ‘heavenly father’ was not the first god, and his god was not the first god, then who was? :confused:
 
tjlarsen said:
Thank you for a cordial response.

So did God create the universe or was he created by it?

If I understand you correctly the universe wasn’t created at all?

Then how does it exist?
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Thank you for your response. The concept that the universe has always existed is an interesting idea, indeed. In my mind, however, it is no more difficult to conceive of the universe having always existed than it is to conceive of God always existing. When you ask, “Then how does it exist?”, you might also ask the same question about God Himself. I don’t really have an answer, except that the universe DOES exist. To me, it would be more difficult to understand why the universe DIDN’T exist.

God was not created our of nothing, nor was the universe. As there has always been a universe, there have always been individuals in that universe. In LDS thought, again, man and God are of the same family, so to speak. Mankind is as essential to the universe as is God Himself.

Whereas most Christians start at the point of God creating the earth for whatever reason (most often stated that God created man to have “fellowship” with Him), the LDS-Christian position is that the creation of earths like ours is an ongoing process. An earth is the place where the spiritual sons and daughters of a loving Heavenly Father live, to learn of and become like, their Father.
 
If God is not the creator, then why worship him?

If we are all of one brotherhood (for lack of a better term) is worshipping God like worshipping you?

If God is within creation, he can’t be the answer and reason for everything and therefore he can’t fill my desire for the infinite any more that than any other god (of another planet) or human person?
 
k0nod541 said:
As a “Mormon”, I find your comment and assertion humorous. In reality, we believe that all men must be baptized. God, in his mercy, has created a way that baptism may be accounted to all mankind, including those who have passed on without it.
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It was very gracious of you to regard it as humorous. It can be seen both ways, and my statement was an exaggeration.
 
tjlarsen said:
If God is not the creator, then why worship him?

If we are all of one brotherhood (for lack of a better term) is worshipping God like worshipping you?
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Thank you for your question. In a very real sense, God is our creator in LDS Christian thought. He is the father of us all, and has assured us that we might live as His sons and daughters with Him as we are obedient to His will. I love and respect (worship?) my own parents because they gave me life, nourished me, taught me, and did all they could to have me become like them. As we are sons and daughters of God, we desire to worship Him for what He has done, and continues to do, for us. God is, in a very real sense, my Father in Heaven. We are of the same species, so to speak, but He is the Father of my spirit in a similar way that my earthly father is my father, and not my brother.
 
tjlarsen said:
I’ve been to LDS.org, FairLDS, and other individual’s mormon sites.

Why ask here? Why not, there seem to be 3-4 individuals here who know a lot about LDS.

If I am missing the right area of LDS.org or FairLDS, please point me.

Tim
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Dianaiad likes to try and make you feel bad about asking here. Ask away. If I knew the answers, I would tell you.
 
Does that explanation of existence satisfy your need for the meaning of life, for the meaning of your existence, for your desire to know the meaning of everything?

I think this is why I can’t find an attraction, in my heart, to the LDS claim, the fact the LDS church doesn’t address the deepest desires of my heart: Why do I exist, what is the meaning of everything, what is my purpose?

I don’t want to be a God of another world, I want the satisfaction of being in the infinite presence of God who explains everything.

If after reflection, the LDS church does satisfy the deepest needs of a person’s heart, it would be wrong for me to ask them to leave, because they would have to betray their own heart.

Thank you for the insight and cordial conversation.
 
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