My son doesn't believe in god?

  • Thread starter Thread starter David_Chou
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I’m glad that you do not have children…

Tell me, just how do you plan on having this, “nice one on one conversation with him”, after you just, “backhand(ed) him across his mouth”?

True burning a bible is a horrific act, but it is better to remember that it is a book…Something easily replaced. Your child, and your relationship is not so easy to fix…
I know this for a fact because I had similar attitudes to yours when I DID have a child and as a result, my son and I barely ever talk…and it breaks my heart because I know it is my fault.

Hopefully as you mature, you will learn to moderate your views…

Peace
James
Now, I somewhat regret writing that, to be honest. I was not endorsing that action for the OP. Allow me to explain. If someone is burning a Bible in front of me, I am going to stop him as it is desecration. It would be more than preserving the book. It would be an act of defiance and a true willingness to defend the faith from those who try to stamp it out.

I understood the son to be in a sort of “fit” a little tantrum in other words. Maybe he needed a good smack to snap him out of it. This maybe horrifying to some, but if you spare the rod, perhaps you spoil the child. I am certainly not a large proponant of it, and I see that my previous post may have been too hastily typed. Forgive me. Mea culpa.

Thank you for your insight.

~ Pius :knight1:
 
Has anyone here noticed this boys age? Can any of us truly say that we were truly mature enough at that age? Legally, this young man may be able to do what he wants but, in reality, could he truly understand what he’s doing?

He’s obviously angry about something or perhaps many things. Anger clouds ones judgment and one’s ability to really think things through. Let’s all pray for him and be patient and trust **God **to bring him home. In the meantime David, you keep loving him and and be there with open arms. I’m sure I speak for many of us here: you’re in our prayers too!
 
If I had a son who burned a Bible before me, I’d backhand him across his mouth because that is simply treacherous. Then I would try to have a nice one on one conversation with him. Any allowance would be cut, computer taken away, phone destroyed, et cetera. I’ll be damned if a son of mine accepts such a barbaric attitude toward the Faith! I’m a young man (mid-late teens) and I don’t think I’ll ever have kids any way.

I’ll most certainly pray for him and for you as well.

~ Pius :knight1:
Gotta say if my son burned my bible??? Anyway, I liked your post it made me laugh especially the part where you said after you back handed him you would sit down and have a calm conversation…lol, you know you’d be sitting on his chest holding him down for that calm conversation? you still made me laugh… I can tell you’re young.

Back to the OP, young boys, 20 and under rebel against the Lord because they want to be mischievous and they know the Lord is displeased with these kinds of actions/behaviors, so they denounce Him, so as to please themselves and have some fun…(they still believe in Him and even pray to Him, they just hide it from you)

At about the age of 14 and 16 our boys pulled this on us. They didn’t claim to be atheists, but they fought us over going to Church. They told us we couldn’t force religion down their throats blah, blah blah. We stood our ground to a certain extent! Even though we let them start missing Mass (big, big mistake on our part) everyday of the week though, we openly discussed Our Lord and the Church. They believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ, they believe in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Period (and one of them is returning)…Thanks be to God

This past lent, our 19 year old son returned to the confessional…he is considering RCIA classes to be confirmed next Easter (he finished his confirmation classes when he was 14, but didn’t get confirmed because he was questioning his faith)…He is very grounded in his faith, always has been, he just took a detour, and we NEVER stopped praying for his return…

I think your mistake was the “girlfriend”…bad choice

Never stop praying and never cease to have HOPE…
 
Has anyone here noticed this boys age? Can any of us truly say that we were truly mature enough at that age? Legally, this young man may be able to do what he wants but, in reality, could he truly understand what he’s doing?
I’m younger than he is and I seem pretty mature when it comes to theology and belief in the God and the Catholic Church. 🤷

~ Pius :knight1:
 
I failed to add one other thing that may seem superficial but helps me with my faith and that is of the saints like Bernadate and other incorruptible saints. Come on, how do you explain this??

How about the 70,000 eye witnesses to the sun spiraling into the Earth at Fatima?

Science can’t explain it…

The comment made about the Big Bang and it being a Christian deal on what was before the big bang seems to come from an Agnostic. I would be an Agnostic over an Atheist, at least you are open to the possibility of a God. As an Atheist there is NO possibility.

Mike
 
Yesterday, my 18 year old son told me that he doesn’t believe in god anymore. I raised him to be a good Christian but ever since he got one of those “atheist” girlfriends, he no longer has the time to go to Sunday church and eventually quit being christian all together. I know that he is old enough to make his own decisions, but I can’t help worry what will become of his life. I am extremely distressed because we had an arguement a couple of hours ago and he burned the family bible in front of my eyes and called god a (I’ll be modest with he language here) “no good piece of **** that sits up there and laughs at other peoples misfortune”. I pray for him everyday and hope he believes again.
My heart goes out to you; I know your fears right now very well, and here are a few things I have learned, if it will help you.

First, I believe God wants us to “give our children back” into His hands. It can be hard to do, but this may be one of those times of surrender for you. To me, this involves a lot of prayer, a lot of trusting and believing in God’s good plan for me and for my wayward child; that God will not leave our children; that the grace of baptism and confirmation and the Holy Spirit will continue to be at work whether we see it or not.

Continue to pray. Love your child. Personally, I would only speak of what happened to say to him, “I am not going to argue with you, I still love you, you know my faith is part of me and who I am so please be more respectful of me as well.” Try to simply be in his life as much as you can, and pray, pray pray that God brings Godly people into his life.

I am reading a book that talks about the stages of faith and it points to the disciples - after walking with Jesus for three years, when the going got tough they denied and abandoned Him; only John was present at His crucifixion. But we all know that isn’t the end of the story 👍

I will pray for you and your son. This may be a phase; this may be a long haul. But we are not alone, and God also desires your son to turn back :cool:
 
I’m glad that you do not have children…

Tell me, just how do you plan on having this, “nice one on one conversation with him”, after you just, “backhand(ed) him across his mouth”?

True burning a bible is a horrific act, but it is better to remember that it is a book…Something easily replaced. Your child, and your relationship is not so easy to fix…
I know this for a fact because I had similar attitudes to yours when I DID have a child and as a result, my son and I barely ever talk…and it breaks my heart because I know it is my fault.

Hopefully as you mature, you will learn to moderate your views…

Peace
James
Easy now - Bl Pope Pius IX is just a kid. 🙂

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Yesterday, my 18 year old son told me that he doesn’t believe in god anymore. I raised him to be a good Christian but ever since he got one of those “atheist” girlfriends, he no longer has the time to go to Sunday church and eventually quit being christian all together. I know that he is old enough to make his own decisions, but I can’t help worry what will become of his life. I am extremely distressed because we had an arguement a couple of hours ago and he burned the family bible in front of my eyes and called god a (I’ll be modest with he language here) “no good piece of **** that sits up there and laughs at other peoples misfortune”. I pray for him everyday and hope he believes again.
Dear OP, I had a very similar situation with my son last year, when he was 17 and was seeing/spending time with/in a sexual relationship with a girl who was, as far as I can tell, completely unchurched (although my son tried to cover for her and say her family is Catholic, I don’t believe him). He stopped going to church with us after they had sex (he didn’t know that I knew this, I had been monitoring his computer because he was acting like he was on drugs), and one day he up and tells me that he’s not Catholic any more, he’s agnostic.

In my case, he said this on a day when I was feeling centered and confident, or it might have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. As it was, I merely laughed a little, and told him, “No, you are a Catholic, you were baptized Catholic and that’s it, you can’t undo a sacrament. You can be an unfaithful Catholic, you can even be a heretical Catholic, but you were baptized a Catholic and will be one your entire life.” He never said another word about being an agnostic. He still didn’t go to church with us though. Not until his girlfriend broke up with him and he was emotionally destroyed and needed to confess did he return to God. All the while, I had been praying and praying, but knowing that he was in mortal sin, I did not force him to attend Mass, for then I would have been knowingly encouraging him to receive Christ in a state of mortal sin. It was VERY difficult to just leave him at home and go to church. One of the hardest things I have ever had to do.

Anyway, after the break-up, he gradually returned and accepted his faith again. It wasn’t overnight, and he still doesn’t go to Mass regularly, but he has been working most weekends so he has some amount of excuse. He does attend a Catholic high school so goes to Mass occasionally on campus and can go to confession any time he feels the need. I go to confession almost every week and I always offer to bring him along but he never takes me up on it. I keep trying. I keep praying.

Your son is not an atheist. Atheists do not believe in God, so they would not bother to burn the Bible, because to them, it is meaningless. Actually, your son is rebelling against God, but the rebellion proves that he DOES believe. Burning the Bible in front of you is certainly dramatic! Does he run to the dramatic gesture in general? How did you come to allow him to go that far in his anger/rebellion/argumentation? Probably it would be better not to allow him to act out like that, kick him out before he started a fire with the Holy Word of God.

Never cease praying for your son. Never cease showing your son how much you love and care for him. Do not push him away, he may need you when he and his girlfriend break up (and they will break up).
 
Dear all, thank you for your comments and quick replies!
Things have cooled down now and we’re able to have a nice conversation without me shouting at him. He still is living at his girlfriend’s house but I do believe he’ll come back to the lord and me someday.
I’ll never stop praying for him!
 
David, I will pray for your son. I made a somewhat similar mistake when I was in college. I did not rebel or burn a Bible, but my faith was shaken as I was surrounded by many atheists and agnostics. Finally, I had an atheist girlfriend whom I married (without the Church’s approval), and I received some of the most painful blows in my life. I loved her and tried hard to please her, but she was messed up, never happy, cheated on me, infected me with an STD (well, it was cured easily - I was pretty lucky it wasn’t HIV/AIDS :o), and we got divorced within about a year of our marriage.

Your son made a big mistake by having this atheistic girlfriend, and if he is in love with her, and possibly physically intimate with her as well, his judgment is clouded at this time by his feelings. I think it’s probably going to be a difficult balancing act now, because you still need to let your son know how much you still love him, and at the same time you can only admonish him carefully about the mistake of befriending an atheist girl, because he is in love with her, and he will possibly perceive your admonishment as a criticism of his girlfriend, or as an attack on his girlfriend. You may be better off inviting both of them (your son and girlfriend) to your house, and cultivating a friendship with them, because that way your son will not perceive you as attacking his girlfriend. Then, you just go about your daily life as before, with daily prayer, weekly church attendance, and so on. Your son may be hormonally challenged and rebellious like all teenagers, but he is not stupid. He will still be affected by your silent example of a faithful Christian life, even if you don’t bring it up to talk to him about it. Let him stew, being torn between the competing examples of a Christian man’s inner peace and an atheist or agnostic’s inner turmoil. He will hopefully realize, in his own time, that God is not exactly a sadist who laughs at our problems, because he sent his Son (Jesus) to die for our sins and to save us. There’s also the example of Holy Mary’s obedience, who saw her son die on the cross and didn’t rebel against God - and on the third day she was rewarded by seeing her son resurrected in glory, never to die again.

A Christian person’s obedience and inner peace, which you can model for your son through your own life, David, will hopefully manage to win him over in the end, even without you trying to engage in dialogue while he is not open to such dialogue.
 
If I had a son who burned a Bible before me, I’d backhand him across his mouth because that is simply treacherous. Then I would try to have a nice one on one conversation with him. Any allowance would be cut, computer taken away, phone destroyed, et cetera. I’ll be damned if a son of mine accepts such a barbaric attitude toward the Faith! I’m a young man (mid-late teens) and I don’t think I’ll ever have kids any way.

I’ll most certainly pray for him and for you as well.

~ Pius :knight1:
I completely agree with this post, that would be my reaction as well.
I’ll be praying for him and your family as well.
 
I completely agree with this post, that would be my reaction as well.
I’ll be praying for him and your family as well.
A better way to deal with it is to prevent it from happening in the first place, not to “backhand” the young man, causing further resentment. Impossible to have a “nice one on one conversation” when you’ve just hit your son in the mouth! Sheesh!
 
I have two son’s. Neither practice their faith. They are in their late 20’s now, and we’ve gone from the I don’t believe in God to the I believe in God but not organized religion and so on.(a constant ongoing dialog )
One son has also tried to test my ability to stand of for the moral teachings of the Christian faith. He was firmly told that his immoral behavior was not tolerated under my roof and asked to move out. He was respectful and moved out, (later he admitted he had made a mistake in this immoral choice and is now suffering the consequences) Of course my heart breaks for him but he did it to himself.

I’ve learned a thing or two about what you can or can not do with 18+ year old when it comes to matters of faith and morals. First, you can’t make them believe in God but as long as he lives under you roof, he lives by your rules.This is a matter of respect to you and your family values. If your family attends Church (you didn’t say that you are Catholic I’ve assuming you are Christian) then the condition for housing and any financial support is that he attend with you( even if he doesn’t believe) otherwise he must find housing elsewere.

I don’t know what circumstance caused him to burn a Bible but that is way over the line.
Either get him some psychological help because that is not even close to rational behavior, or if he refuses, find him other living arrangements.

You can’t make your child believe in God but you can teach him the consequences of immoral and disrespectful behavior. You can also talk to your son every so often and teach him why you believe what you believe. And absolutely don’t forget to pray for your son.
 
m crane’s comments above about what you can an cannot do with an 18+ year old got me thinking…

My situation is different but the concept can be applied to other situations as well.

The concept is simply this. Dealing with these kinds of situations should teach us a great deal about God’ patience with us.

I care for my Wife who has dementia. When I cannot get her to understand - when she looks at me and has no idea who I am - when she is adamant that she is going to do something her way (three times longer, and wrong) I have to remind myself that in my sinful, stubborn, foolish past, this is exactly how I treated God.

God tired to guide me — I couldn’t understand
God tried to guide me — I wanted to do it my way.
God tried to show me — I could not see Him - and did not know Him…

God’s patience with me has been incredible.

God’s patience with all of us is incredible.

So - be patient with the children - as patient as God has been with us…

Peace
James
 
m crane’s comments above about what you can an cannot do with an 18+ year old got me thinking…

My situation is different but the concept can be applied to other situations as well.

The concept is simply this. Dealing with these kinds of situations should teach us a great deal about God’ patience with us.

I care for my Wife who has dementia. When I cannot get her to understand - when she looks at me and has no idea who I am - when she is adamant that she is going to do something her way (three times longer, and wrong) I have to remind myself that in my sinful, stubborn, foolish past, this is exactly how I treated God.

God tried to guide me — I couldn’t understand
God tried to guide me — I wanted to do it my
way.
God tried to show me — I could not see Him - and did not know Him…

God’s patience with me has been incredible.

God’s patience with all of us is incredible.

So - be patient with the children - as patient as God has been with us…

Peace
James
What a wonderful reminder to us all. God bless you.
 
A better way to deal with it is to prevent it from happening in the first place, not to “backhand” the young man, causing further resentment. Impossible to have a “nice one on one conversation” when you’ve just hit your son in the mouth! Sheesh!
Now, now, it would just be a disciplinary measure to make him calm down and to make him understand that his move was out of line. After he is done with his little tantrum, he will be able to have a decent conversation.

~ Pius :knight1:
 
Now, now, it would just be a disciplinary measure to make him calm down and to make him understand that his move was out of line. After he is done with his little tantrum, he will be able to have a decent conversation.

~ Pius :knight1:
This may be true of a 4 or 5 year old, but an 18 year old?

Very few 18 year olds will “sit down calmly” after being struck.

Of course, I do not know any 18 year olds who would light a book on fire, either. He sounds very immature and prone to drama.

Don’t hit anyone in the face, though, for any reason. That could be considered assault, and the 18 year old, as an adult, could file assault charges against the striker AND be in the right doing so.
 
Now, now, it would just be a disciplinary measure to make him calm down and to make him understand that his move was out of line. After he is done with his little tantrum, he will be able to have a decent conversation.

~ Pius :knight1:
Well considering he is 18, it might calm him down or it might result in YOU getting backhanded into the corner…beyond this I agree completely with Catholic90’s answer…

Striking out will only reinforce the negative views he has adding yet another “wall” or hurdle to be gotten past in discussion.
Jesus was beaten - He did not strike back.
Jesus was tortured - He did not strike back
Jesus was falsely accused - He did not strike back
Jesus was defended with the sword - He stopped it and healed teh injured man.
Jesus was nailed to a Cross - He did not strike back.

Dear Pius IX - Please take these comments from myself and others to heart. Learn from my failure and from the wise council of others. Such violence will not serve God’s kingdom. It will not change anyone’s mind, nor will it make them amenable to calm discussion

The thing here is to:
  1. not be provoked into unchristian behavior and
  2. Use Christian Love and careful, reasoned and respectful argument to persuade, always relying on the Holy Spirit.
  3. Pray - Pray - Pray.
Peace
James
 
This may be true of a 4 or 5 year old, but an 18 year old?

Very few 18 year olds will “sit down calmly” after being struck.

Of course, I do not know any 18 year olds who would light a book on fire, either. He sounds very immature and prone to drama.

Don’t hit anyone in the face, though, for any reason. That could be considered assault, and the 18 year old, as an adult, could file assault charges against the striker AND be in the right doing so.
Immaturity is exactly the reason. Four and five year olds are immature. So naturally, you react the same way. Now, my normal response would be “To Hell with the laws of man, he’s my son, I’ll do what I want with him, so help me God!” however it is important to remember that after I strike him, he would have a big talking to. I would speak with him regardless if he chooses to listen. After I speak with him, he would not file charges, and would instead see my understanding. No, I think I would react finely.

We must, however, remember Saint Monica, the mother of Saint Augustine. She prayed so hard for her son’s conversion. So, following her saintly example, I would do the same.

Also, I don’t think he’d be “in the right doing so”. He burns a Bible in front of me and I smack him. Any God fearing Judge would wouldn’t think he was in the “right”. No, certainly not.

Thank you for your insight.
40.png
JRKH:
Well considering he is 18, it might calm him down or it might result in YOU getting backhanded into the corner…beyond this I agree completely with Catholic90’s answer…

Striking out will only reinforce the negative views he has adding yet another “wall” or hurdle to be gotten past in discussion.
Jesus was beaten - He did not strike back.
Jesus was tortured - He did not strike back
Jesus was falsely accused - He did not strike back
Jesus was defended with the sword - He stopped it and healed teh injured man.
Jesus was nailed to a Cross - He did not strike back.

Dear Pius IX - Please take these comments from myself and others to heart. Learn from my failure and from the wise council of others. Such violence will not serve God’s kingdom. It will not change anyone’s mind, nor will it make them amenable to calm discussion

The thing here is to:
  1. not be provoked into unchristian behavior and
  2. Use Christian Love and careful, reasoned and respectful argument to persuade, always relying on the Holy Spirit.
  3. Pray - Pray - Pray.
Peace
James
I understand, but I would really be doing it more to set an example that the Bible is not to be used as tinder and to snap him out of his little fit. I wouldn’t do it just because he’s being a little brat. I also completely agree with your three points.

~ Pius :knight1:
 
I understand, but I would really be doing it more to set an example that the Bible is not to be used as tinder and to snap him out of his little fit. I wouldn’t do it just because he’s being a little brat. I also completely agree with your three points.

~ Pius :knight1:
You say that you understand but then you continue to defend using unchristian behavior (slapping him).

You are, I believe, 15 years old. Hopefully by the time you are older, and have children of your own you will better understand what we old fogies are trying to convey.

Peace
James
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top