N. Ireland soccer mob beats Catholic man to death

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Several carloads of Protestants drove into a Catholic area of N. Ireland, armed with clubs and beat to death a totally inncent Catholic man, Kevin McDaid. Detective Chief Inspector Frankie Taylor said the dead man had four children, did volunteer youth work in the town, and had been encouraging local Catholics to cooperate with Northern Ireland’s traditionally Protestant police. He described McDaid as “a man who would do anything for anybody.”

My comment: I am outraged by these Protestants who are coming into the Catholic neighborhoods and murdering innocent people. This was a decent and good man with four children. Time and time again we see Protestants in N. Ireland marching and attempting to provoke Catholics. Why are they in Ireland in the first place. Ireland belongs to the Irish and that includes all of northern Ireland which was taken from them by the invading British. I don;t know why the British have been going around enslaving people and somehow think that they can get away with it. These Bristish slave master classes in n, ireland are a holdover from the penal laws intorduced in 1691 according to which no Irish Catholic could sit in the Parliament of Ireland, even though some 90% of Ireland’s population was native Irish Catholic. This ban was followed by others in 1703 and 1709 as part of a comprehensive system by Protestants enslaving the Catholics in Ireland, It established the English Protestant ruling class in Ireland.
 
Wow. l didn’t know it ran that deep and for that long. Our thoughts should go to the slain man’s family. We should also pray that God intervene in a problem that has lingered for so long. amen.
 
It goes without saying that what happened is a disgrace. As the article says, the perpetrators attacked the first people they came across. Several people were admitted to hospital - six people, if I recall correctly. I heard the wife of the deceased man speaking on the radio this morning. She mentioned that with her and her husband was a pregnant lady. People were imploring the attackers to stay away from her because she was pregnant, but this fact had no effect and they continued their beatings with impunity.

I must say, however, that I am rather curious about some of your comments, Bobzills. “Time and time again we see Protestants in N. Ireland marching and attempting to provoke Catholics” - it is important to remember that, while the British occupation of Northern Ireland may be ultimately at the root of the problem, the violence has come from both sides of the divide. Catholics have not been the sole victims of the Northern Ireland violence - not by a long shot. You then ask “why are they in Ireland in the first place?” That question is asked after you have mentioned provokation by Protestants, and hence it seems that you are asking why Protestants are in Ireland, whereas, after asking the question, you refer to the British. These are two very different issues and the history of Ireland shows that Protestantism does not equate to “Britishness” or Loyalism, nor does Catholicism necessarily equate to Nationalism. Some of the greatest figures in our history have been both Protestant and Nationalist - our first president, Dr Douglas Hyde, for example, came from a Protestant family (his father was an Anglican rector), and the Nationalist leader, Robert Emmet was also from a Protestant background. Some of the greatest supporters of Irish culture - especially the Irish language - have been Protestants.

Even if your question was meant to read “why are the British in Ireland…”, I think in the context of the article, such a question is irrelevant. Northern Ireland is in the best state that it has been for decades. The political situation has improved so much - even I have seen that in my short life! I don’t even think that it’s politics or religion that’s at the root of these outbursts of violence. It seems to me that it is, plain and simple, thuggery. However, I do believe that history has a part in this thuggery, but only in the sense that in the past, divisions were an excuse to cause violence and people got away with it. “Sectarianism” has become an excuse for any violence which occurs in the North. It normalises violence - it can’t just be that a man was brutally murdered; rather a Catholic was murdered by a Protestant, hence it was for political/religious reasons, hence it’s more understandable, and it seems that the culpability of those hooligans is diminished.
 
The friction between Irish and English is older than the Catholic-Protestant divide.

It began in the reign of Henry II of England (who was Catholic) and the Pope gave Ireland as a fief to the English Crown in the 13th century.
 
NPC said:
I must say, however, that I am rather curious about some of your comments, Bobzills. “Time and time again we see Protestants in N. Ireland marching and attempting to provoke Catholics” - .
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Please see:

cnn.com/WORLD/9607/07/nireland.march/
and
pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/july-dec98/nireland_7-9.html
The Parades through Portadown: “It’s gotten worse and worse every time. And it’s now become symbolic.”
usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-10-irish-protestants_x.htm
smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/08/1025667117628.html
 
With all due respect, Bobzills, I do not need proof that there are hundreds of Protestant marches in Northern Ireland or that some of them cause tensions or even violence between Protestants and Catholics. I have seen it year in, year out for as long as I can remember. What prompted me to respond in the fashion that I did was how, in your original post, you seemed to imply that this was Protestants causing trouble for Catholics. It was, as far as I can see, quite one-sided. The reality is that Republicans give as good as they get. While not excusing Protestant attempts at provokation of Catholics, the marching routes are often lined with hundreds of Nationalists who are doing precisely the same to the marchers by taunting them and blocking their routes.

Anyway, in relation to last night’s attack - I reiterate my previously stated opinion that religion or Nationalist/Loyalist divisions are merely smokescreens for plain thuggery. My personal view is that in this case (and other similar cases we’ve seen) these gangs wanted, first and foremost, to cause trouble and damage. Religious and political divides come secondary to this as old traditions of genuine sectarian violence validate and somewhat diminish their actions.
 
Sadly, it was not the only death. There were 3 murders in Scotland after the football, though the police are saying only one is directly related to the football - the murder of a Catholic Celtic supporter in the East End of Glasgow.

These thugs are nothing but terrorists and are no different from the Shankill Butchers.
 
NPC said:
“Sectarianism” has become an excuse for any violence which occurs in the North. It normalises violence - it can’t just be that a man was brutally murdered; rather a Catholic was murdered by a Protestant, hence it was for political/religious reasons, hence it’s more understandable, and it seems that the culpability of those hooligans is diminished.
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This is not a simple case of thuggery and hooliganism - it was a case of a group of Protestant terrorists intentionally driving around estates looking for innocent Catholic persons to assult and kill for no other reason than they the hooligans] are Protestant and they wish to harm and terrorise Catholics for no other reason than their being Catholic.

This scum are not different from the Shankill Butchers.
 
Brothers/Sisters, Of course this is a terrible tragedy where an innocent man was beaten to death for no reason at all. However, we must not be drawn into sectarianism. It would be an equal tragedy if the deceased had been a Protestant. We must also not tar all protestants with the same brush. Clearly the men involved in this atrocity are not religious but mindless thugs.

As for the parades, it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other in my opinion.

May the peace of the Lord be with you all. 🙂
 
what a sad state of affairs in N. Ireland, the catholics have gone very soft in n. ireland… no way this happens 20 years ago… a group of protestants armed with only clubs don’t go anywhere near a catholic neighborhood without being shot. maybe the IRA needs to pick those guns up again? but if the irish knew how to fight a proper war they would’ve won their freedom a very long time ago so maybe licking the brits boots and hoping for some scraps is the way to go who knows?
 
ChristIsLord said:
what a sad state of affairs in N. Ireland, the catholics have gone very soft in n. ireland… no way this happens 20 years ago… a group of protestants armed with only clubs don’t go anywhere near a catholic neighborhood without being shot. maybe the IRA needs to pick those guns up again? but if the irish knew how to fight a proper war they would’ve won their freedom a very long time ago so maybe licking the brits boots and hoping for some scraps is the way to go who knows?
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This is the daftest post I’ve seen in a long time. No one needs to pick up any guns again. What needs to happen is for both sides to get over themselves and live in peace, as the majority of people are doing. I speak as an Irish woman with republican sympathies, who spends a substantial time in Ireland with my family.

We’d all do better to pray for the repose of the soul of Kevin McDaid, for his family and friends, and leave the political comments to people who know what they are talking about.
 
ChristIsLord said:
what a sad state of affairs in N. Ireland, the catholics have gone very soft in n. ireland… no way this happens 20 years ago… a group of protestants armed with only clubs don’t go anywhere near a catholic neighborhood without being shot. maybe the IRA needs to pick those guns up again? but if the irish knew how to fight a proper war they would’ve won their freedom a very long time ago so maybe licking the brits boots and hoping for some scraps is the way to go who knows?
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You clearly dont know anything about the cultural, demographic, social or sporting issues of that country and should therefore refrain from talking absolute nonesense.
 
ConfusedTim said:
You clearly dont know anything about the cultural, demographic, social or sporting issues of that country and should therefore refrain from talking absolute nonesense.
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or i’ll post whatever i want as long as it is within the TOS…👍 how about i don’t see you comment on anything but australian policy in the future o.k.? or else you will be a total hypocrite…
 
ora_pro_nobis said:
This is the daftest post I’ve seen in a long time. No one needs to pick up any guns again. What needs to happen is for both sides to get over themselves and live in peace, as the majority of people are doing. I speak as an Irish woman with republican sympathies, who spends a substantial time in Ireland with my family.

We’d all do better to pray for the repose of the soul of Kevin McDaid, for his family and friends, and leave the political comments to people who know what they are talking about.
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you live in london for a reason and that’s because like 99% of irish in the world ireland offers you nothing. sorry your home country is pathetic and if they knew how to fight a proper war they wouldn’t still be living with this nonsense.
 
originally posted** by (name removed by moderator)**
Protestants/Catholics/Jews/Hindus/Sikhs/Jains/Pagans/Wiccans/ etc etc etc have every right to be in Ireland and to live there peacefully. A model of Irishness based around been Catholic would be a disastrous (and wrong) one.
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Ireland has been continues to be a Catholic nation and you are wrong on this. Would you visit or live in China and say this is a great country but I don’t want to hear anything based on Chinese philosophy or would you go to Iran and say, don’t base anything in this nation on the Muslim religion. You can say it but I doubt if anyone would listen and why should they?
 
ChristIsLord said:
you live in london for a reason and that’s because like 99% of irish in the world ireland offers you nothing. sorry your home country is pathetic and if they knew how to fight a proper war they wouldn’t still be living with this nonsense.
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You have no idea why I’m living in London, and actually I do live in Ireland for part of the year, with my family. We’re sick of the sectarianism, and Irish people are mature enough on the whole to realise that fighting our neighbours is futile and soul-destroying. Your stupid idea of re-starting the war will solve nothing and is childish in the extreme.
 
NPC said:
It goes without saying that what happened is a disgrace. As the article says, the perpetrators attacked the first people they came across. Several people were admitted to hospital - six people, if I recall correctly. I heard the wife of the deceased man speaking on the radio this morning. She mentioned that with her and her husband was a pregnant lady. People were imploring the attackers to stay away from her because she was pregnant, but this fact had no effect and they continued their beatings with impunity.

I must say, however, that I am rather curious about some of your comments, Bobzills. “Time and time again we see Protestants in N. Ireland marching and attempting to provoke Catholics” - it is important to remember that, while the British occupation of Northern Ireland may be ultimately at the root of the problem, the violence has come from both sides of the divide. Catholics have not been the sole victims of the Northern Ireland violence - not by a long shot. You then ask “why are they in Ireland in the first place?” That question is asked after you have mentioned provokation by Protestants, and hence it seems that you are asking why Protestants are in Ireland, whereas, after asking the question, you refer to the British. These are two very different issues and the history of Ireland shows that Protestantism does not equate to “Britishness” or Loyalism, nor does Catholicism necessarily equate to Nationalism. Some of the greatest figures in our history have been both Protestant and Nationalist - our first president, Dr Douglas Hyde, for example, came from a Protestant family (his father was an Anglican rector), and the Nationalist leader, Robert Emmet was also from a Protestant background. Some of the greatest supporters of Irish culture - especially the Irish language - have been Protestants.

Even if your question was meant to read “why are the British in Ireland…”, I think in the context of the article, such a question is irrelevant. Northern Ireland is in the best state that it has been for decades. The political situation has improved so much - even I have seen that in my short life! I don’t even think that it’s politics or religion that’s at the root of these outbursts of violence. It seems to me that it is, plain and simple, thuggery. However, I do believe that history has a part in this thuggery, but only in the sense that in the past, divisions were an excuse to cause violence and people got away with it. “Sectarianism” has become an excuse for any violence which occurs in the North. It normalises violence - it can’t just be that a man was brutally murdered; rather a Catholic was murdered by a Protestant, hence it was for political/religious reasons, hence it’s more understandable, and it seems that the culpability of those hooligans is diminished.
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No they’re culpable. The “Troubles” do have a very long history and simply put. England is to blame. That they have done tremendous harm all over the world goes without saying. Everyone these days who cares to learn. Knows the extent of SAS involvement in the “troubles”.

That these “hooligans” just happened to jump in a car and crews into a catholic neighborhood and attack people is what people expect to hear from northern Ireland. We also assume that there will be a reprisal. What this tells everyone is that the government is not in control. So, not British.
 
Parnell comes to mind. Who else are you thinking of? As for Irish and catholic not being interchangable. It sure was where I grew up. You’re not attempting a little revisionism are you?
 
No Detroit. I’m learning more and more the stark differences Between us. Most people I know are both Irish and catholic. We have like wise been delivered some tremendous blows in the media relating to poor behavior from catholic priest and other religous. But over here of course. We have long been used to anti-catholic press and wouldn’t think of abandoning the church. I hope what’s been said about the youth over there is a faze and that they will find their way back as they mature.

As for the names you mentioned. Though I have seen many before. I would not have guessed that many of them were not catholic. Fitzgerald for instance is from norman extraction. Via the french invasion. The Normans had a history of strong assimilation. Becoming first more french than the french and Like wise in ireland. Guess you never know.🤷
 
You never know. There is always hope. Church attendance here was down for many years. The last ten years or so, it’s three masses full each sunday at my parish. The secular world has so little to offer. People tend to drift back.
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