Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

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Whoever said I needed to be catholic to get to heaven?> I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior . He rose again on third day. He is my guiding light and my intercessor. He is the only one that gives me hope. What more do you need other than that? Not a thing.
 
Good question.

(1) Being Catholic would mean that I would have to leave my current church. My current church has done me no harm to justify leaving it.

(2) I have always been more flexible in respect to allowable churches than my wife. I could not picture her becoming Catholic unless one of the children were to convert. If she were to leave where we are at, she would be a Baptist.

(3) One and two are not sufficient reasons not to become Catholic if the RC did indeed posses the “fullness of truth” and the rest of us are just heretics. But this is a very bold assertion requiring very clear and convincing evidence that just has not been forthcoming. Your say so is not enough. Us being imperfect is not enough.

Maybe if I stick around long enough I will come across the smoking gun argument that proves “yes dearie true church-> heretic is in fact the true relationship of Catholicism to us spiritually impoverished Protestants”, but until I come across that, I will remain skeptical and assume that we are more or less equal (and equally messed up).
 
I wouldn’t be able to enjoy “Family Guy”
You kidding? I love Family Guy - or most of it, anyways 👍
  1. The Marion Doctrines or Dogmsa–Everytime I hear a priest say we have to pray to Mary it makes me cringe. The bible is so clear that we are to pray only to God through Christ.👍
If I ever heard a priest say that anyone ‘had’ to pray to Mary I’d cringe too - and probably call them a heretic! You know that such is absolutely not required. Mind you, if they said I ‘had’ to ask you or anyone for your intercession same deal.

It’s not necessary in either case, but it’s both a pleasure and a privilege - not to mention a huge benefit and comfort to me - to pray for and with my fellow members of Christ’s body - the earthly and heavenly members :angel1:

St Therese of Lisieux said ‘I wish to spend my heaven in doing good upon Earth’. And to me it doesn’t make sense that I’d want to stop being ‘about my Father’s business’ in heaven - just when we have the most knowledge of what that business is and the greatest power to do something about it!
 
Many of the enumerated reasons (so far) fall in any of the following categories:
  1. Pre-concieved bias
  2. Misinterpretation of historical and ecclesiastical facts
  3. Secondary information passed on by those who relied on 1 and 2.
 

  1. *]I’m Jewish and happy to be so;
    *]Christianity doesn’t ‘say’ anything to me;
    *]I’d have to find a different set of people to disagree with 😉 .
 
Ditto for me too!

In addition:

1.) Papacy - not established in the bible.

2.) Prayers to Mary and the saints - Why?

3.) Purgatory and indulgences - No biblical basis.
I agree with that! As much as I want to belong , I dont think I ever will!
 
In my case it isn’t so much “yet” as “anymore”.
  1. I think the Catholic conception of God completely contradicts what I observe of the world.
  2. If I could accept the idea of one, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God; I couldn’t accept the idea of the trinity.
  3. I think the first time the Pope claimed to be infallible pretty much proved he wasn’t.
 
Also, I’m pretty much the worst nightmare of some Catholics: a liberal, pro-choice, pacifist, queer, gothpunk decadent secular humanist cleaned-up junkie with a bizarre fashion sense. I wouldn’t blend well 😛

Though next time Holy Redeemer has a burrito night… hm.
And Jesus hung out with . . . 😉
 
  1. Can’t publicly and obstinately disagree with certain teachings without being declared a heretic and summarily excommunicated.
  2. No one has yet shown me the form I would have to sign (on the dotted line) in order to be Catholic, and until I see that form, I refuse to join.
  3. If I joined, and became a heretic, my heretical views would not be vindicated probably for another 200 years. Sheesh, I can join the Methodists, and get heretical vindication in half the time!
 
You got good responses on all three of your reasons but I would just like to add something to this one because it is very dear to me…

Catholics are not required to say prayers to Mary and the Saints…in fact, all the “prayers” are just asking for their intercession. Do you ever ask others to pray for you or something important to you? Why, this is just the same, we are asking Mary and other people we believe to be in heaven to pray for us.

As a human being I find great comfort in finding a Saint who may have struggled with an issue close to mine in life, and asking them for their prayers. Their soul is very much alive in heaven…they are not dead and are still capable of prayer.

This is just adding people to your prayer circle! Hope this helps.
In that case you`re praying to dead people. And that is very very weird.
 
  1. I was raised protestant.
  2. I like my current church and don’t see the need to change it.
  3. Salvation by works
On the other hand: top 3 reasons for considering Catholicism
  1. Apostolic succession etc.
  2. The RCC defended the faith successfully for a long time. Still does.
  3. Protestant traditions are fractured and Protestant churches lack the authority of the RCC.
There is some overlap here of course.

believer1966
 
  1. I was raised protestant.
  2. I like my current church and don’t see the need to change it.
  3. Salvation by works
On the other hand: top 3 reasons for considering Catholicism
  1. Apostolic succession etc.
  2. The RCC defended the faith successfully for a long time. Still does.
  3. Protestant traditions are fractured and Protestant churches lack the authority of the RCC.
There is some overlap here of course.

believer1966
Your thoughts some it up for me, on both ends. Becoming Catholic would tick off alot of friends, family. I would have absolutely sure it is what I want to do before I did it and have good answers for their objections
 
Priscilla Ann;2141460:
Ditto for me too!

In addition:

Indulgence, do you even know what that means? Indulgence is removing of temporal punishment due to sin. This authority has been granted by the Church when Jesus founded it on the premise to Bind and Loose.

Purgatory.

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html
You can’t just let us Protestants have our fun can you?
 
In that case you`re praying to dead people. And that is very very weird.
Catholics believe that Mary was assumed into heaven–so she isn’t dead but fully alive–body and soul–with Christ.

As for the saints, being in heaven they are in the direct presence of God and still in posession of a will and intellect connected to us in the Holy Spirit. This is not ‘dead’ like being in hell would be ‘dead.’ The Communion of Saints (see Apostles Creed etc.) are just that, in communion with one other, either in the body or out of it.

So many other responses I’d like to make but that would take far too much time and space. But I agree with Chancellare that almost all of these objections are either due to prejudice, misconception or ignorance–and perhaps obstinance.
 
  1. Geographical errors in Tobit and Maccabees, historical errors in Judith, cosmological errors in Wisdom, doctrinal errors concerning atonement in Sirach, and so on;
  2. Ritualization of worship practices, limiting participant’s freedom;
  3. Pagan and occult practices infused within the faith;
  4. Recognition of papal authority and infallibility;
  5. Misinterpretations concerning Christian rites and ordinances (the “Sacraments,” for instance);
  6. The church’s refusal to acknowledge any doctrinal or moral err (past or present) on its part;
  7. Distinguishment between mortal and venial sins;
  8. Intercession of the saints;
  9. Overliteralization of the Eucharist and failure to recognize the context of John 6;
  10. Dogmatic, legalistic approach to Christianity, likened easily to that which earned the Galatian church a severe reprimand;
  11. Adoration (or even “veneration”) of Miriam;
  12. Failure to recognize the sufficiency of Scripture;
  13. Failure to recognize the individual priesthood of the believer;
  14. Acceptance of prayers for the dead;
  15. Failure to acknowledge the most undeniable total depravity of humanity;
  16. Failure to teach sufficiency of Christ and his blood …
 
So many other responses I’d like to make but that would take far too much time and space. But I agree with Chancellare that almost all of these objections are either due to prejudice, misconception or ignorance–and perhaps obstinance.
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  1. Mary.
    Just to be thinking and studying about Mary is taking your focus off of Jesus, Himself. Without Mary, there was other virgins. Without Jesus, there is no hope.
    There’s the rosary. There are other prayers mentioned in the Bible other than the “Our Father” and “Hail Mary”. People HAVE used other words and Scriptures.
    Then there’s the scapular. “Wear this when you die and you’ll escape Hell fire” is the promise to believers in Mary. It is not just non-Biblical but anti-Christ.
    The Bible says that there is One Mediator and that’s Jesus. Yet, on pope JPII’s desk (and on the “to do” list of the current pope) is the “infallible” order to declare Mary as co-mediator with Jesus. As soon as any pope “signs it into law” or whatever he does, that’s it?
  2. Shhhhh!
In the catholic religion, we’d sing “Shout From The Highest Mountain”. A good song and one of my favorites from my old memories. While the Bible says that in His presence is FULLNESS OF JOY, we had to be quiet.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to whisper in Heaven.
  1. Salvation
The current pope says that the catholic religion has the “exclusive to salvation”.

Let me show you the difference between the catholic religion and the Bible on the subject of Salvation:

Salvation through Faith by Grace Alone
Rediscovery of the biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone, more than any other truth, ignited the Protestant Reformation. On what grounds is a sinner accepted in the presence of a holy God? Acceptance is based on the “righteousness of God in Jesus Christ” (see Romans 3:19-24 below). It is a righteousness wholly outside the sinner, accomplished by Christ, and imputed to him through the one God-given means – faith in the Savior, acceptance of His gift of eternal life.

The Bible says:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This** righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe**. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
-Romans 3:19-24 (NIV, emphasis added)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV, emphasis added)

(also see Romans 5:1, 11:6; Galatians 3:6; Ephesians 2:5, 3:7; Philippians 3:9; Titus 2:11, 3:7; I Timothy 1:14)

Catholicism says:

Man is justified by baptism plus faith, plus additional works (see Catholic Catechism Ref. Nos. 1265-1271, 1987-1995). The Holy Spirit’s transforming work in the sinner becomes the grounds, along with faith, for justification. Most good Catholics are therefore very concerned with “being good enough,” “meriting,” and “earning” their salvation.
The Catholic Catechism says of baptism, for example: “Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte ‘a new creature,’ an adopted son of God, who has become a ‘partaker of the divine nature,’ member of Christ and co-heir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit” (Catechism 1265, emphasis added). “… Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians” (Catechism 1271).

There are more, but you only asked for three.

I was a partaker of the catholic religion for half of my life. I believe if the Holy Spirit was to be given control of the Sunday morning services, each service would be different than the previous Sunday and not a service where everything said is almost 100% the same as the previous Sunday.
 
  1. Shhhhh!
In the catholic religion, we’d sing “Shout From The Highest Mountain”. A good song and one of my favorites from my old memories. While the Bible says that in His presence is FULLNESS OF JOY, we had to be quiet.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to whisper in Heaven.
I do not understand this one. I was never told to be quiet about my faith by the Catholic Church. I am actually very outspoken about what I believe. I am part of the evangelization committee at my parish.
 
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