Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

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I do not understand this one. I was never told to be quiet about my faith by the Catholic Church. I am actually very outspoken about what I believe. I am part of the evangelization committee at my parish.
Is kujo313 comparing the Mass to Non-Catholic forms of worship??

It maybe just one of those the MASS is boring…

Just a thought! That is what came to mind to me.

Although I don’t find the Mass boring and when we sing in Mass I sing my heart out even though I can’t carry a tune. 😛

I feel my heart singing and being full of joy!!!👍
 
I do not understand this one. I was never told to be quiet about my faith by the Catholic Church. I am actually very outspoken about what I believe. I am part of the evangelization committee at my parish.
Nope. It’s not that. It’s all the silence within the temple (the “church” IS the congregation, the “temple” is the building. Please note.)
You show up, dip your hand in the water, make the sign of the cross on your body, and it’s “Shhhhh! You have to be quiet in here!”
Why?
IF God is present, HOW can you be silent?
Jesus is ALIVE! HOW can you sit there on Sunday morning like the cartoon character Droopy and quietly say “I’m so happy”??

Can you shout “Amen!” during the service? No way! Some one did that years ago and he was treated like a freak.
  1. I’d go to a “confessional booth”, list my sins that I’ve done, and receive instructions: “Say three ‘Hail Mary’s’ and one ‘Our Father’.”
    Is that it??? Wow! The priest didn’t tell me to confess to my parents that it was ME who broke their window!
I dare you…DARE you to come to where I worship. We break bread together during service, yep, BUT we believe in the day of Pentecost!
WHAT!!! Shouting in the temple??? That’s obsurd! What would Jesus do???
I’d tell you from His Word, He’d join you! His Word says that he dwells in the praises of His people.

Don’t be a “Droopy”, be a “Tigger”.

Woo hoo hooo hoo! (laughing like Tigger)
 
Nope. It’s not that. It’s all the silence within the temple (the “church” IS the congregation; the “temple” is the building. Please note.)

You show up, dip your hand in the water, make the sign of the cross on your body, and it’s “Shhhhh! You have to be quiet in here!” Why?
I generally I’m not quiet where I don’t dare say a word. I may say Hi and lightly chat with others (Similar to a Library). However I do keep that to a minimum because I’m there to spend time with God and not chat with my neighbors. (At least before and during Mass… After Mass is totally different thing :))
IF God is present, HOW can you be silent?
SIMPLE REALLY! I WANT TO HEAR WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY TO ME!! THE ONLY WAY I CAN HEAR GOD IS IF I STOP, BE QUIET, AND LISTEN TO WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY TO ME.

I’m sure that you have heard of the phrase “stop and smell the roses”. Well I stop and listen to God. My relationship with God is a 2 way street. God wants to be heard as much as I want to be heard. I make sure I stop and give HIM a chance to speak.

There’s a time and place for everything…
 
  1. Mary.
    Just to be thinking and studying about Mary is taking your focus off of Jesus, Himself. Without Mary, there was other virgins. Without Jesus, there is no hope.
    There’s the rosary. There are other prayers mentioned in the Bible other than the “Our Father” and “Hail Mary”. People HAVE used other words and Scriptures.
    Then there’s the scapular. “Wear this when you die and you’ll escape Hell fire” is the promise to believers in Mary. It is not just non-Biblical but anti-Christ.
    The Bible says that there is One Mediator and that’s Jesus. Yet, on pope JPII’s desk (and on the “to do” list of the current pope) is the “infallible” order to declare Mary as co-mediator with Jesus. As soon as any pope “signs it into law” or whatever he does, that’s it?
  2. Shhhhh!
In the catholic religion, we’d sing “Shout From The Highest Mountain”. A good song and one of my favorites from my old memories. While the Bible says that in His presence is FULLNESS OF JOY, we had to be quiet.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to whisper in Heaven.
  1. Salvation
The current pope says that the catholic religion has the “exclusive to salvation”.

Let me show you the difference between the catholic religion and the Bible on the subject of Salvation:

Salvation through Faith by Grace Alone
Rediscovery of the biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone, more than any other truth, ignited the Protestant Reformation. On what grounds is a sinner accepted in the presence of a holy God? Acceptance is based on the “righteousness of God in Jesus Christ” (see Romans 3:19-24 below). It is a righteousness wholly outside the sinner, accomplished by Christ, and imputed to him through the one God-given means – faith in the Savior, acceptance of His gift of eternal life.

The Bible says:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This** righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe**. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
-Romans 3:19-24 (NIV, emphasis added)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV, emphasis added)

(also see Romans 5:1, 11:6; Galatians 3:6; Ephesians 2:5, 3:7; Philippians 3:9; Titus 2:11, 3:7; I Timothy 1:14)

Catholicism says:

Man is justified by baptism plus faith, plus additional works (see Catholic Catechism Ref. Nos. 1265-1271, 1987-1995). The Holy Spirit’s transforming work in the sinner becomes the grounds, along with faith, for justification. Most good Catholics are therefore very concerned with “being good enough,” “meriting,” and “earning” their salvation.
The Catholic Catechism says of baptism, for example: “Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte ‘a new creature,’ an adopted son of God, who has become a ‘partaker of the divine nature,’ member of Christ and co-heir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit” (Catechism 1265, emphasis added). “… Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians” (Catechism 1271).

There are more, but you only asked for three.

I was a partaker of the catholic religion for half of my life. I believe if the Holy Spirit was to be given control of the Sunday morning services, each service would be different than the previous Sunday and not a service where everything said is almost 100% the same as the previous Sunday.
I was a Catholic for 38 years, and I agree with you completely! Thank you for saying it better than I ever could.
 
Priscilla Ann;2141460:
Ditto for me too!

In addition:

Indulgence, do you even know what that means? Indulgence is removing of temporal punishment due to sin. This authority has been granted by the Church when Jesus founded it on the premise to Bind and Loose.

Purgatory.

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html
Mannyfit:

I am well aware of what indulgences are, as well as the Catholic church’s attempt to rationalize them. I am also aware of the rest of Catholic teaching. I have a copy of the Catechism just like you do.

You must keep in mind that many of us are former Catholics precisely because we DO understand what the Catholic Church teaches.

Priscilla Ann
 
I thought Catholics favored obstinance education in the schools :confused:
Noun: obstinance
1.The trait of being difficult to handle or overcome
  • stubbornness, obstinacy, mulishness
2.Resolute adherence to your own ideas or desires
  • stubbornness, bullheadedness, obstinacy, pigheadedness, self-will, bloody-mindedness [Brit]
ab·sti·nence (bst-nns) KEY

NOUN:

The act or practice of refraining from indulging an appetite, as for food.
Abstention from alcoholic beverages.

ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English, from Old French abstenance, from Latin abstinentia, from abstinns , abstinent- present participle of abstinre, to hold back ; see abstain

OTHER FORMS:
absti·nent (Adjective), absti·nent·ly (Adverb)

SYNONYMS:
abstinence , self-denial , temperance , sobriety , continence

These nouns refer to restraint of one’s appetites or desires. Abstinence implies the willful avoidance of pleasures, especially of food and drink, thought to be harmful or self-indulgent: “I vainly reminded him of his protracted abstinence from food” (Emily Brontë). Self-denial suggests resisting one’s own desires for the achievement of a higher goal: I practiced self-denial to provide for my family’s needs. Temperance refers to moderation and self-restraint and sobriety to gravity in bearing, manner, or treatment; both nouns denote moderation in or abstinence from the consumption of alcoholic liquor: Teetotalers preach temperance for everyone. “those moments which would come between the subsidence of actual sobriety and the commencement of intoxication” (Anthony Trollope). Continence specifically refers to abstention from sexual activity: The nun took a vow of continence.
 
  1. I disagree with some teachings of the Catholic church. There are many that I agree with, but a lot seem senceless, much like laws forbidding the eating of pork in Judaism.
  2. I don’t believe in God. Despite being raised a Catholic, I realised that I just didn’t believe and am now an Atheist.
  3. Can’t really think of a third actually, in general I have nothing against Catholic practise or teachings. I just wish everyone would get along, whatever their religion. Some things are more important.
 
  1. There are still some doctrines I have trouble with
  2. It would put me greatly at odds with my husband. We’ve been divided over church before and it nearly destroyed us.
  3. Certain social issues
 
Continence specifically refers to abstention from sexual activity
They might do that on some continence, but in North America folks are still pretty frisky.
prejudice, misconception or ignorance
I should think that, if you advocate obstinance, you should expect misconception. But Catholics have more babies than Protestants do, so are you sure you’re not confused in this matter?
 
  1. There are still some doctrines I have trouble with
  2. It would put me greatly at odds with my husband. We’ve been divided over church before and it nearly destroyed us.
  3. Certain social issues
Oh yeah I guess social issues makes a good third.
 
I was a Catholic for 38 years, and I agree with you completely! Thank you for saying it better than I ever could.
I myself was Catholic for 34 years and I got out as well. Thank you to all of you ex-Catholics who got on here and told your story of truth. It’s about time some of these folks here heard it.
 
Mannyfit75;2141629:
Mannyfit:

I am well aware of what indulgences are, as well as the Catholic church’s attempt to rationalize them. I am also aware of the rest of Catholic teaching. I have a copy of the Catechism just like you do.

You must keep in mind that many of us are former Catholics precisely because we DO understand what the Catholic Church teaches.

Priscilla Ann
Amen to this as well. Being a non-Catholic certainly doesn’t always rely upon ignorance of Catholicism, but in knowing and truly understanding it and its many flaws that its magisterium is unwilling to ever admit (even though they know them better than anyone).
 
They might do that on some continence, but in North America folks are still pretty frisky.I should think that, if you advocate obstinance, you should expect misconception. But Catholics have more babies than Protestants do, so are you sure you’re not confused in this matter?
You have the words confused. Abstinence means avoiding sexual relations. Obstinance means stubbornness. Continence is the same thing as abstinence. The land masses of the earth are continents.
 
I myself was Catholic for 34 years and I got out as well. Thank you to all of you ex-Catholics who got on here and told your story of truth. It’s about time some of these folks here heard it.
I think we need a clubhouse 😉 Eleven years here.
 
You have the words confused. Abstinence means avoiding sexual relations. Obstinance means stubbornness. Continence is the same thing as abstinence. The land masses of the earth are continents.
Psst, Lak: Kevan is playing with words (and being pretty funny about it, actually)😉
 
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