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Version of what?
That is a straw man argument, because I said no such thing. Ordination is not just a “task.” It is central to the existence of the Church. It’s odd how non-sacerdotal Catholics suddenly become when they have to defend the male-only priesthood–as if the priesthood was just another job.
Nor is ordination the same kind of thing as physical maternity. The counterpart to physical maternity is physical paternity, not the priesthood.
Gentiles don’t represent Him as Jew, and He is a Jew. People born in Australia don’t represent Him as a Middle Easterner, and He is a Middle Easterner. If (as is probable) He had brown hair, then people who have blond or red hair can’t represent Him in that capacity.
I repeat–you have to provide an argument that shows why gender is relevant in *this *particular case.
Quite a slip you just committed there. Women have roles–but in the second part of the sentence the plural has mysteriously become a singular!
If only a male can be in the person of Christ, then women cannot be saved. Period. Women should not be baptized. They should not be considered members of the Church. The only way anyone is saved is by sharing in the divine nature by means of Christ’s humanity.
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Ahimsa
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Interestingly, in the Mormon Church, all men are in fact, priests.
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Contarini
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Right. And some fundamentalist Protestant groups (the Plymouth Brethren, for instance) essentially have the same attitude. All men can preside at the Breaking of Bread, for instance (or preach–I was often asked to preach as a 19-20-year-old visitor in Plymouth Brethren assemblies in Romania; of course the fact that I was a foreigner who could preach in Romanian was in my favor!).
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Goth_Catholic
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lol. Nah, sorry, I forgot.Says the person who had no idea who Bauhaus or the Banshees wereHave you checked out those recommendations yet?
And yes, I realize Jesus was gother than everyone. There used to be a pretty good list of reasons but it seems to have disappeared from the net. Pity, it was a classic.
I haven’t seen that list. I wish I had.
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Bishopite
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First of all, I was strictly speaking of the “Catholic” Mass and presumed that was what you were speaking of as well. I appreciate you in charity assuming I was speaking of the ordained priesthood, which I was also. And your assertion that only women can be the bride is silly since it is symbolic in nature not actual. The church isn’t a literal sexual bride of Jesus but a symbolic figure of the reality of the heavenly order which is NOT male nor female. That the priest is male best represents the man/God Jesus Christ. The pagans used to use females as priests you know.
In the Mass the priest “represents” Christ. Since Christ is a person who IS male only men can validly represent a male person. The priest represents Christ who died for His bride. Jesus’ bride is the church which includes male and female so the laity are both. However, only males represent a male who is Christ because He is a person a human male.
The priest shares in Christ’s priesthood as a baptized person, however they share much more than the laity for they share in Christ’s priesthood as ordained Catholic priests and they are priests forever.
The laity does NOT share in the priesthood of Christ in the same sense as the ordainded of Christ’s priesthood so they can be male or female for they are representative of the bride which is the church. And since baptism replaces circumcision which was for males, yet baptism is better because it includes everyone, hence male and female.
The Catholic Mass is structured this way, the priest is in the person* of Christ representing Christ as a concecrated priest of the priesthood of Christ. The laity are the church which is representative of the bride of Christ. Symbolic figures are important to Jesus as He used many symbolic figures in His parables, so to pervert those symbolic figures is to pervert the Catholic Mass.
From the earliest of times in the early church we see that ONLY men were ordained as priests in the Catholic church…
Council of Nicaea 325 AD
Canon 1
“If any one in sickness has been subjected by physicians to a surgical operation, or if he has been castrated by barbarians, let him remain among the clergy; but, if any one in sound health has castrated himself, it behoves that such an one, if [already] enrolled among the clergy, should cease [from his ministry], and that from henceforth no such person should be promoted. But, as it is evident that this is said of those who wilfully do the thing and presume to castrate themselves, so if any have been made eunuchs by barbarians, or by their masters, and should otherwise be found worthy, such men the Canon admits to the clergy.”
newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm
This is evidence from sacred Tradition for it says “if he has castrated himself.”
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mahoneyt
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1.) Im still mad at my parents and don’t know how to fix that?
2.) I want to live my own life and have no accountability for my actions.
3.) Plus I can blame the church and not myself
2.) I want to live my own life and have no accountability for my actions.
3.) Plus I can blame the church and not myself
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Bishopite
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What path? Actually, JW’s aren’t Christian’s.
Ironic, I used to be a Southern Baptist fundamentalist, and an evangelical for thirty eight years, now but realized that sola scriptura was a blueprint for chaos. To say “I left the RCC because I chose to follow Jesus” is making a presumption that you now hold to the truth and that the Catholic church doesn’t follow Jesus, yet you I’m afraid can’t explain WHO and where were the "Christians prior to the reformation??
Nor can you show your historicity as the church Jesus established, yet Catholicism can. The early Christians were NOT Protestant at all, but Catholic in liturgy (worship) and doctrine.
And the me and Jesus postion isn’t scriptural. The church is a body of people who Jesus established to pray for one another to ineract with and for one another and for you to say that I only go to St. Anthony instead of God directly is a false presumption, since you don’t know me from Adam. I do go to Jesus directly as well as those who are holy to pray for me. Catholics do both since it is the scriptural model.
Read James 5:16 “the prayer of a righteous person availeth much” The saints in heaven are more righteous than you and I.
And they can hear us as Hebrew 12:1 says…that “we are surrounded by a cloud of wittnesses” This cloud are the saints in heaven.
And Jesus said in Luke 15:10 "Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Obviously those in the presence of the angels can hear and have joy of what happens on earth since they are joyful when a sinner repents.
She isn’t just my mother but yours too. John 19:25 "Then He [Jesus] said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."
And I focus on Jesus who commands us to “honor your father and mother.”
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kkieft
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If I go to the priest, do you think he will blow me off about joining the catholic church? I don’t want to bother him.
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Verisimilitude
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That’s a big part of what his function is; to talk to people like you and point you in theright direction. Go talk to him.
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Chris_LaRock
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- The official Catholic teaching that Muslims worship the same God as Christians, in spite of the fact that the Muslim god claims to have to son and the Christian God has a son. I see this as the RCC comprimising for the sake of being accepted by the world.
- The apparent arrogance of many Catholics I meet who, when questioned about thier faith, don’t know anything about it - yet maintain that Protestantism is evil.
- I still have concerns about ancient Babylon’s influence in Catholic teachings and traditions.
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Rebuttal to your first point:
1.) I read the Church position as acknowledging only that Islam acknowledges the same God as the God of Abraham, and therefore holds it in esteem. I don’t think it says much more than that thereby limiting any acknowledgement that Mohammad was a prophet of God, as without saying directly, it does not think he was. I do not see it as a compromise at all.
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kkieft
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What is the best way to approach him about a meeting? Just call the rectory? Or speak to him after Mass?
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Bishopite
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Either would be goiod I think. Others here are more knowlegable than I (I’m surprised they haven’t flooded you with offers to help), but I would think calling and making an appointment would be best for a formal meeting, but approaching him after Mass is fine too. Shake his hand and say hello and just say “I’m not a Cathoilic, but I’d really like to talk about being Cathoilic.”
I’ll tell you something. Your profile says you are 28. I am 43, cradle Catholic with a large void in between the cradle and the Church. I’m back now as an adult, and it’s much better since I worked out many of my elementary issues with the Church since. This Easter I saw other adults, like you, joining the Church. I thought to myself: how lucky they are to be joining the Church with eyes wide open. I was impressed and inspired.
Good luck.
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Genesis315
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Me too! I love the Easter vigil and seeing all the new people being welcomed into their Father’s house!
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Genesis315
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The Jews also don’t believe He has a Son. Do they worship the same God?Likewise, the Greeks who did acknowledge one God (for this can be known from reason) did not acknowledge that He had a Son and yet, St. Paul says this:
Acts 17:23 For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:
That is the Catholic position. If you worship one God who is the Creator of all (since there is only one God who is the Creator of all), we say you worship without knowing it the God we preach.
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Chris_LaRock
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If a Jewish person were to honestly examine the prophetic parts of the Hebrew scriptures, they would see that Jesus is the son of God and Messiah. But many fear having to give up their ‘Jewishness’, not realizing that following the Messiah doesn’t require one to become a Gentile.
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kkieft
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I still haven’t called the priest. They do not give a direct line to talk to him and all it says is contact the rectory? Should i make an appointment, or simply show up and see if he would be available??
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