Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

[believers]

It was never part of the magisterial teaching. Nice try though.

Yes, but did you get what I said about MOST Catholics BELIEVING in limbo. That’s because the RCC TAUGHT it. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t written in the Catechism. It was TAUGHT. So much for your beloved ORAL tradition.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Yes, but did you get what I said about MOST Catholics BELIEVING in limbo. That’s because the RCC TAUGHT it. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t written in the Catechism. It was TAUGHT. So much for your beloved ORAL tradition.

Well a lot of Catholics believe in the private revelations but these private revelations are not a part of the desposit of faith.

Whether or not Catholics believed in it or not, it was never a part of the Magisterial teachings. I, myself, cast my doubts of the existence of Limbo since Limbo was never defined.

 

[believers]

Well a lot of Catholics believe in the private revelations but these private revelations are not a part of the desposit of faith.

Whether or not Catholics believed in it or not, it was never a part of the Magisterial teachings. I, myself, cast my doubts of the existence of Limbo since Limbo was never defined.

How could you doubt limbo if it wasn’t TAUGHT by your religion?

I wonder how many Catholics actually reference the Catechism every time a priest teaches something that IS NOT in the Catechism.

I wonder how many Catholics actually have a copy of the Catechism.

I wonder how many Catholics actually know what the Catechism is.

 

[Mannyfit75]

How could you doubt limbo if it wasn’t TAUGHT by your religion?

I wonder how many Catholics actually reference the Catechism every time a priest teaches something that IS NOT in the Catechism. The priest was corrected and never repetited the office. A lay Catholic has a right to correct the priest; and he must do so with Christian charity.

I wonder how many Catholics actually have a copy of the Catechism.

I wonder how many Catholics actually know what the Catechism is.

From the military diocese, I know an officer who saw a Catholic chaplain who comitted liturgical abuse. In his mind, the officer emailed the chaplain and refer to him to Vatican document concerning Divine Liturgy.

Most practicing Catholics read the Catechism. The Catechism itself is a big book like the Bible and the Catechism quote Second Vatican Council, Scripture, Patristic writings, etc.

From my own experience, I was never taught about Limbo but I have heard it from books and some writings of some early Christians.

But I never see any official document from the Holy See that stated Limbo is part of the Deposit of Faith (which is unchanging). Limbo is discuss by theological and debated of its existence, and finally as you read, the Pope approve a document that Limbo doesn’t exist. It was never a part of our magisterial teachings. People believe in it and it doesn’t do them any harm if they do believe in it.

All other sources, like abortion as a mortal sin and should not be condone has been a part of the deposit of faith. The Didache forbids abortions to 1st Century Christians. So like other Catholic who know their faith, there is no contradiction in teaching of the Limbo.

Unless you can find an official Vatican Document that states Limbo is a part of our faith. It never was proclaimed.

 

[Mickey]

I wonder how many Catholics actually reference the Catechism every time a priest teaches something that IS NOT in the Catechism.

I wonder how many Catholics actually have a copy of the Catechism.

I wonder how many Catholics actually know what the Catechism is.

Wow! You really seem to be able to read people’s hearts!

Did you get the part where I said limbo was not a part of the oral Tradition?

So much for your opinion.

Start a thread on limbo if it bothers you so much.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Wow! You really seem to be able to read people’s hearts!

Did you get the part where I said limbo was not a part of the oral Tradition?

So much for your opinion.

Start a thread on limbo if it bothers you so much.

Many Non-Catholic Christians seem to believe that they have ability to read the hearts and minds of Catholic, especially when they accuse us of worshipping Mary and saints. How do they know that their mind is focus on the saint? I prayed the rosary and my mind in always center on the Master.

 

[Syele]

Wow! You really seem to be able to read people’s hearts!

Did you get the part where I said limbo was not a part of the oral Tradition?

So much for your opinion.

Start a thread on limbo if it bothers you so much.

Maybe it just me but I think it’s quite a big jump from wondering about it to having already read their hearts.

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

Hi Aprilbaby–and thanks for your kind words.

at the end of your reply you stated

“The** Trinity **is the only doctrine which safeguards the Oneness of God, allows for the manifestation of God, and allows for creation to be as well (if only contingently). Assertions to the contrary just don’t cut it.”

How is this Trinity derives from the # 3 so how does it = 1???

It has to do with the distinction between substance/nature/being and person. The three Persons of the Trinity all share One Nature/Substance/Being. They’re all God. There aren’t three different beings, but One Being. And that Being is possessed by/manifested by three different Persons who are co-arising. That is, the Persons of the Trinity cannot exist without each other. If there were no Father, there would be no Son and no Spirit. Without the Son, there is no Father and no Spirit. Without the Spirit, there is no Son and no Father. They are all God, but the God-ness in which they participate is not multiple, but singular–there is only one God-being-ness. The Three Persons are not Three free agents–they are One God. All things are willed by the Father, through the Son, in the Spirit.

This is a poor example, but it may be helpful. Look at this sentence: I AM THAT. It’s one sentence. One statement. Three words. Each word does a different thing, but they’re all related by their placement in the sentence. Their placement makes the whole thing make sense. The Father is like the I, the Son is like the THAT, the Spirit is like the AM. Again, this is not a perfect metaphor–in fact it’s very imperfect. But maybe it provides some help.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!

 

[LilyM]

Yes, but did you get what I said about MOST Catholics BELIEVING in limbo. That’s because the RCC TAUGHT it. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t written in the Catechism. It was TAUGHT. So much for your beloved ORAL tradition.

Yeah, and most Catholics believed that the earth was flat for 1600 years too.

NOT because the CHURCH taught it or promulgated it as doctrine, but because a few scholars did so and it became commonly accepted belief as a result.

Big difference.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Yeah, and most Catholics believed that the earth was flat for 1600 years too.

NOT because the CHURCH taught it or promulgated it as doctrine, but because a few scholars did so and it became commonly accepted belief as a result.

Big difference.

Good point people use to believe the world was flat and not round.

 

[Jaypeeto3]

Has anyone else noticed that at least two of the nonCatholics here, namely kujo and believers, are boorish and rude and behave generally like arrogant smartalecks in their posts???

Why are the moderators tolerating this?
I KNOW that they have been reported…

 

[Mannyfit75]

Has anyone else noticed that at least two of the nonCatholics here, namely kujo and believers, are boorish and rude and behave generally like arrogant smartalecks in their posts???

Why are the moderators tolerating this?
I KNOW that they have been reported…

I don’t know how much I can tolerate them, but I can only ask God to help them at least understand us.

 

[Jaypeeto3]

It just seems to me that they are being given a LOT of leeway on these forums to behave as rude and nasty as they want.

Look, fair is fair.
I myself have receiving penalty points for two or three of my posts over the past 2 years because one of the moderators (in particular) sometimes finds my posts uncharitable as he puts it.

There’s such a thing as being emphatic, and such a thing as being downright NASTY, and those two are downright nasty.

Forum rules for good behavior should be enforced.

 

[guanophore]

It was never doctrine but the majority of Catholics believe in it. It was doctrine in that it was verbally taught by your religion. You guys are so big on “oral tradition” until it works against you.

Limbo is not part of Sacred Tradition, either.

Contraception is not a doctrine either, but most Catholics use it. Does that make it right? Does that mean it is what the church teaches?

Yes, but did you get what I said about MOST Catholics BELIEVING in limbo. That’s because the RCC TAUGHT it. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t written in the Catechism. It was TAUGHT. So much for your beloved ORAL tradition.

I get your point. Plenty of things have been taught, some of which are directly CONTRARY. What catechists and theologians propose or even purport should not be confused with the oral tradition. Sacred tradition has been handed down to us from the Apostles.

How could you doubt limbo if it wasn’t TAUGHT by your religion?

Because people teach all kinds of stuff that does not come from Jesus. For example, today for the first time I see this interpretation of John 6 in your signature. It is very ingenious. Is that the teaching that comes from the Apostles? No, but it is ingenious none-the-less.

I wonder how many Catholics actually reference the Catechism every time a priest teaches something that IS NOT in the Catechism.

I think very few, which is what I think is part of the problem. Case in point, I went to confession with a mortal sin, the priest told me that the Church no longer considered “that” a sin. I had to go make copies of stuff to give him!

I wonder how many Catholics actually have a copy of the Catechism.

Or a Bible! Or read the bible!

I wonder how many Catholics actually know what the Catechism is.

Not nearly enough!

 

[Jaypeeto3]

Hi guanophore, I don’t understand what you meant in your comment about contraception?

 

[guanophore]

So would you like to recant, or do we have to start reporting your dishonest tactics of cutting and pasting to the moderators?

It is very possible that he plagarized that from someone else who previously plagarized it, and he did not know it was plagarized.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

It is very possible that he plagarized that from someone else who previously plagarized it, and he did not know it was plagarized.

There is still a lack of citation.

 

[Ramalama]

Is this thing really 56 pages long!?!

I’m not a Catholic yet because the process takes too long. My church only accepts catechumens and candidates once per year. That’s really a long time from now. I’m frustrated!

 

[MariaG]

Is this thing really 56 pages long!?!

I’m not a Catholic yet because the process takes too long. My church only accepts catechumens and candidates once per year. That’s really a long time from now. I’m frustrated!

Is not Christ worth the wait?

Maybe God is trying to teach you the fruit of patience?

So where will you be in 1 to 2 years if you don’t take the time to become a Catholic Christian? Same place you are now. Where will you be if you exercise patience for 1-2 years and follow the process? Happily Catholic

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Mannyfit75]

Is this thing really 56 pages long!?!

I’m not a Catholic yet because the process takes too long. My church only accepts catechumens and candidates once per year. That’s really a long time from now. I’m frustrated!

I know a new convert who had the same frustration you had. All I can say is pray to God to grant you patience. The wait is worth it because in the end, you will received Jesus Christ, the same Christ who walk with the Apostles upon your own mouth.