Name one Catholic teaching that contradicts Scripture

[MariaG]

Hi,

How do you explain this one? This one only lists the edited version… thus teaching people incorrectly.
catholic.org/clife/prayers/beliefs.php
The Ten Commandments of God

1. I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10. You shall not covet you neighbor’s goods.

It is not teaching people incorrectly. It is a summary of scripture. Implicit in this is the teaching of no idols. And any good instructor (even bad ones) will bring this up. Any even moderately inquiring Catholic Christian has accually read the scripture where the Commandments are found.

Even the Jewish source says that the teaching against idols is in the First commandment of the Catholic version.

Why can’t you admit what even Jewish people admit about the Catholic numbering of the ten commandments?

If you wish to insist that it isn’t there I would ask why the protestant version of the Ten commandments treats a woman like a piece of property lumping her together with the coveting of belongings.

The Catholic version does include implicitly include the teaching against idols and treats women with Christian dignity and not as a piece of property.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[believers]

It is not teaching people incorrectly. It is a summary of scripture. Implicit in this is the teaching of no idols. And any good instructor (even bad ones) will bring this up. Any even moderately inquiring Catholic Christian has accually read the scripture where the Commandments are found.

Even the Jewish source says that the teaching against idols is in the First commandment of the Catholic version.

Why can’t you admit what even Jewish people admit about the Catholic numbering of the ten commandments?

If you wish to insist that it isn’t there I would ask why the protestant version of the Ten commandments treats a woman like a piece of property lumping her together with the coveting of belongings.

The Catholic version does include implicitly include the teaching against idols and treats women with Christian dignity and not as a piece of property.

God Bless,
Maria

Hi Maria,

Why would I listen to the Jewish teaching? They missed the Messiah and most still don’t believe. I don’t get why you keep mentioning the Jews.

When people want to know the 10 Commandments and you tell them the something different from what the scriptures say… It is incorrect teaching.

The Catholic version OMITS Exodus 20:4-6. Do you honestly believe anyone has the right to edit the Commandments and teach men so?

The Commandment regarding “covet” isn’t implying that a woman is a piece of property. It means the woman belongs to another man so don’t want her for your own.

Ok then, How would you define correct teaching? Explain this then we’ll get back to Matthew 5:19

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

 

[sara888]

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Hi Maria,

Why would I listen to the Jewish teaching? They missed the Messiah and most still don’t believe. I don’t get why you keep mentioning the Jews.

When people want to know the 10 Commandments and you tell them the something different from what the scriptures say… It is incorrect teaching

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The Catholic version OMITS Exodus 20:4-6. Do you honestly believe anyone has the right to edit the Commandments and teach men so?

The Commandment regarding “covet” isn’t implying that a woman is a piece of property. It means the woman belongs to another man so don’t want her for your own.

Ok then, How would you define correct teaching? Explain this then we’ll get back to Matthew 5:19

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Where do you think Christianity came from… ? The NT of Christ is derived off of the OT . God does not change his word…

Catholics do not omit any gospels as you suggest, as they take sin and commandments very serious and apply all of Gods word.

Jan**

 

[MariaG]

Hi Maria,

Why would I listen to the Jewish teaching? They missed the Messiah and most still don’t believe. I don’t get why you keep mentioning the Jews.

When people want to know the 10 Commandments and you tell them the something different from what the scriptures say… It is incorrect teaching.

The Catholic version OMITS Exodus 20:4-6. Do you honestly believe anyone has the right to edit the Commandments and teach men so?

The Commandment regarding “covet” isn’t implying that a woman is a piece of property. It means the woman belongs to another man so don’t want her for your own.

Ok then, How would you define correct teaching? Explain this then we’ll get back to Matthew 5:19

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

I did not say listen to Jewish teaching. I did however point out the Jews who separate out No other Gods and no graven images do not seem to think that it in anyway is deleting a commandment. And since Christ was a Jew, since the ten Commandments were first given to the Jewish people, they do have some credibility in interpreting the ten commandments.

And once again, CAtholics do not tell them something different than what Scripture says.

Quote for where it says in scripture commandment #1 is this and Commandment #2 is this. There are no numbers or separation of the commandments in Scripture! Why do you accept the numbering from Jews when it comes to #1 and #2 but reject the numbering used by Christians for over a thousand years?

We omit nothing. We “edited” nothing. The “condensed” version is never meant to be used in a vacuum as if that is all God said.

As for the “covet” commandments #9 and #10, I submit to you if you continue to insist that the Catholic Church Omits the commandment of graven images, (which is simply not true as graven images is part of the teaching for the first commandment), then I will continue to insist that by lumping the coveting of wives in with the coveting of properties that Protestants disrespect women

Please, I do not mind if you can bring up things that you feel Catholic teach that contradict scripture, but I do have a serious problem when you try to tell me what Catholics teach. We do not and have not omited anything as the “long version” clearly shows what is meant to be included by the “short version”

Correct teaching would include instruction of all the words of God and EXACTLY what is included in the first commandment.

And since I say to you again, that the catholic Church has not in fact omitted anything, I do not see where Matthew 5:19 even applies.

The Catholic Church faithfully teaches that one should not worship graven images and that teaching is contained in the first commandment of the Catholic numbering. No matter how many times you wish to deny this, it was clear in the official teachings of the Catholic Church from your OWN link.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[santaro75]

I have one!

Where in scripture does it teach that birth control is wrong? Also where in scripture does it teach that abortion is wrong?

 

[Mannyfit75]

It’s simple… The RCC leaves out the “graven images” part of the 10 Commandments. Just go to CCD and find out. My family and I went to CCD. We were not taught the full 10 Commandments. Did you go to CCD and if so which one so I can call them and find out which version they teach.

I read the Bible, the Catholic Catechism, and read basic Catholic Apologetic to prove my case.

I am a cradle Catholic, and I never received any serious Catholic teachings. I did that after I have a reconversion with Catholic after a Non-Catholic Christian challenged my faith.

To go back to the topic. I have read the reason why the Catholic Church TEN Commandments differs. I specifying wrote that in the previous post.

Second, how is graven things differ from graven images. I also note a Footnote that was written in the DR-Catholic Bible that gives an intrepretation of the use graven thing.

If you read the article it explains why CC TEN COMMANDMENT is different.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I have one!

Where in scripture does it teach that birth control is wrong? Also where in scripture does it teach that abortion is wrong?

The word abortion is not even in the Bible. The only Christian source that forbid Christians from aborting the fetus is the Didache written in 70 A.D.

That is why the Catholic Church is strongly oppose to it.

The Scripture is silent on the birth control. However, the use of birth control promotes fornication and doesn’t degrade human sexuality rather than use sex for creating life. That is why the CC opposes any form of birth control.

 

[santaro75]

The word abortion is not even in the Bible. The only Christian source that forbid Christians from aborting the fetus is the Didache written in 70 A.D.

That is why the Catholic Church is strongly oppose to it.

The Scripture is silent on the birth control. However, the use of birth control promotes fornication and doesn’t degrade human sexuality rather than use sex for creating life. That is why the CC opposes any form of birth control.

My point exactly. the scriptures do not address these two things yet we know they are wrong.

thank God for the authority of the magesterium and Pope to apply the Gospel accurately to an ever changing world with new challenges!

 

[MariaG]

I have one!

Where in scripture does it teach that birth control is wrong? Also where in scripture does it teach that abortion is wrong?

The word abortion is not even in the Bible. The only Christian source that forbid Christians from aborting the fetus is the Didache written in 70 A.D.

That is why the Catholic Church is strongly oppose to it.

The Scripture is silent on the birth control. However, the use of birth control promotes fornication and doesn’t degrade human sexuality rather than use sex for creating life. That is why the CC opposes any form of birth control.

My point exactly. the scriptures do not address these two things yet we know they are wrong.

thank God for the authority of the magesterium and Pope to apply the Gospel accurately to an ever changing world with new challenges!

:tsktsk: Nope, you still don’t have one because you still need to show where in Scripture teaching against abortion *contradicts *scripture:bounce:

As for birth control, I do believe there is a story in the Old Testament of a man who had to take his brothers wife (because he had died and it was the law). His job was to make heirs for his brother but he did not wish to do so for selfish purposes and spilled his seed on the ground. God struck him dead for doing so.

I cannot find the scripture at this time, but will look for the reference.

And truly, thank God left us a living breathing Church to face the Challenges of an ever changing world .

God Bless,
Maria

 

[santaro75]

:tsktsk: Nope, you still don’t have one because you still need to show where in Scripture teaching against abortion *contradicts *scripture:bounce:

As for birth control, I do believe there is a story in the Old Testament of a man who had to take his brothers wife (because he had died and it was the law). His job was to make heirs for his brother but he did not wish to do so for selfish purposes and spilled his seed on the ground. God struck him dead for doing so.

I cannot find the scripture at this time, but will look for the reference.

And truly, thank God left us a living breathing Church to face the Challenges of an ever changing world .

God Bless,
Maria

ok you are right it doesn’t contradict scripture. but my point was that scripture will not be able to directly address new issues as they arise hence the need for an authorative teaching body to apply the teachings of the scriptures to new situations. Jesus designed a good working church to guide us.

 

[MariaG]

ok you are right it doesn’t contradict scripture. but my point was that scripture will not be able to directly address new issues as they arise hence the need for an authorative teaching body to apply the teachings of the scriptures to new situations. Jesus designed a good working church to guide us.

Yes. We are truly blessed by having the Magesterium. God truly knew what He was doing by giving us a living breathing Church able to help guide us in new things like cloning, fertility treatments, embryonic cell research etc.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[believers]

I did not say listen to Jewish teaching. I did however point out the Jews who separate out No other Gods and no graven images do not seem to think that it in anyway is deleting a commandment. And since Christ was a Jew, since the ten Commandments were first given to the Jewish people, they do have some credibility in interpreting the ten commandments.

And once again, CAtholics do not tell them something different than what Scripture says.

Quote for where it says in scripture commandment #1 is this and Commandment #2 is this. There are no numbers or separation of the commandments in Scripture! Why do you accept the numbering from Jews when it comes to #1 and #2 but reject the numbering used by Christians for over a thousand years?

We omit nothing. We “edited” nothing. The “condensed” version is never meant to be used in a vacuum as if that is all God said.

As for the “covet” commandments #9 and #10, I submit to you if you continue to insist that the Catholic Church Omits the commandment of graven images, (which is simply not true as graven images is part of the teaching for the first commandment), then I will continue to insist that by lumping the coveting of wives in with the coveting of properties that Protestants disrespect women

Please, I do not mind if you can bring up things that you feel Catholic teach that contradict scripture, but I do have a serious problem when you try to tell me what Catholics teach. We do not and have not omited anything as the “long version” clearly shows what is meant to be included by the “short version”

Correct teaching would include instruction of all the words of God and EXACTLY what is included in the first commandment.

And since I say to you again, that the catholic Church has not in fact omitted anything, I do not see where Matthew 5:19 even applies.

The Catholic Church faithfully teaches that one should not worship graven images and that teaching is contained in the first commandment of the Catholic numbering. No matter how many times you wish to deny this, it was clear in the official teachings of the Catholic Church from your OWN link.

God Bless,
Maria

Maria,

We’re not talking about enumeration. So that’s a non-issue. We’re talking about the 10 Commandments in its entirety and what’s being taught by your religion.

FACT: The Roman Catholic Church CHANGED the 1st Commandment from “no other” gods to “strange” gods.

Here is the original Hebrew.
'acher = “Thou shalt have no other”
'elohiym = god
paniym = before me.

FACT 2: Exodus 20:4-6 verses do not exist in the Catholic version.

FACT 3: The RCC’s version is being taught to millions of people.

I gave you proof but you still deny it. My OWN link was to your OWN Vatican. So you can see for yourself that there is a different set created by the Vatican. If I wasn’t telling you the truth the third set wouldn’t be there. There is no need to teach an altered or abbreviated set.

Here are more versus warning us not to change the Word.

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:”
Gal 1:6

“Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
Gal 1:7

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:8

“As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:9

One more thing, I attended CCD and was a Catholic for 36 years, and no the Catholic church does not teach the Commandments in its entirety only the Catechized version.

 

[sara888]

I have one!

Where in scripture does it teach that birth control is wrong? Also where in scripture does it teach that abortion is wrong?

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Be fruitful and multiply.!!!
Abortion is wrong since Its a commandment…" Thou shalt not kill"

Jan**

 

[sara888]

Maria,

We’re not talking about enumeration. So that’s a non-issue. We’re talking about the 10 Commandments in its entirety and what’s being taught by your religion.

FACT: The Roman Catholic Church CHANGED the 1st Commandment from “no other” gods to “strange” gods.

Here is the original Hebrew.
'acher = “Thou shalt have no other”
'elohiym = god
paniym = before me.

FACT 2: Exodus 20:4-6 verses do not exist in the Catholic version.

FACT 3: The RCC’s version is being taught to millions of people.

I gave you proof but you still deny it. My OWN link was to your OWN Vatican. So you can see for yourself that there is a different set created by the Vatican. If I wasn’t telling you the truth the third set wouldn’t be there. There is no need to teach an altered or abbreviated set.

Here are more versus warning us not to change the Word.

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:”
Gal 1:6

“Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
Gal 1:7

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:8

“As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:9

One more thing, I attended CCD and was a Catholic for 36 years, and no the Catholic church does not teach the Commandments in its entirety only the Catechized version.

**Your commentaries above lack logic., with regard to the RCC. Along with misinterpreting the Poster and her comments.

And where in the bible does it teach Born Again or Once Saved Always Saved… You left the true church of Christ for a man-made doctrine…

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:8

Christ is talking about any doctrine that does not preach or teach a Christian the doctrine according to Holiness which the RCC does adhere too and profess.

BTW, according to your non-denominational sect(Born Again). do you not also believe and profess commandment keeping has nothing to do with your salvation…?? yet claim it is essential to Faith… ???

BTW, your doctrine does teach commandment keeping has nothing to do with ones salvation, yet you are preaching they are essential to faith…??? How can they be essential to Faith if you are not being judged according to your actions…

Jan **

 

[MariaG]

Maria,

I left the “quote” there so others can easily refer to your post but due to the length of my response I needed to delete your post.

1. As to the strange Gods, I have to admit that I “missed” that part of your argument until now.

The Translation the Catholic Church bases the words no strange gods on is, I am guessing, the Douay Rhiems Version, since those are the exact words listed in the DRV text.

Exd 20:3
Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.

So in fact, if you want to be technical, the KJV “changed” the word of God if you want to say that changing any word automatically changes the meaning. Since the DRV predates the KJV.

1. That is a bold faced lie. I have said repeatedly said and pointed out to you that in the link YOU provided, you can see that Exodus 20:4-6 are in fact right there and shows that the words used to summarize this, include this teaching.

Believers link to a chart in the catechism of the Catholic Church that lists these side by side showing the scripture and how the Catholic Church has chosen to summarize ALL of the scripture listed.

Exodus 20 2-17

I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:6-21
I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out
of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.

A Traditional Catechetical Formula

1. I am the LORD your God:
   you shall not have
   strange Gods before me.

As one can clearly see in the Red highlighted above, the claim that the Catholic Church has “omitted” Exodus 20:4-6 is completely false as it is, in fact, the red text above showing that exudus 20:4-6 is intended to included in the summary used by the Catholic Church.

1. As to fact three being taught to millions, I say AMEN!

But if you again declare that the Catholic Church has omitted Exodus 20:4-6, which is clearly highlighted in red above from the chart you provided, you will only continue to be shown for what you are, an anti-Catholic who is so far gone in their prejudice that they are unable to admit they are wrong about anything they THINK the Catholic Church teaches.

I have little hope of you admitting that you did not see that Exodus 20:4-6 is not omitted from Catholic teaching of the ten commandments (even though it is clearly highlighted in read above), nor that there may be an alternative translation that the Catholic version was based on that came before the KJV, but at least I know I have given this information to any lurkers out there.

But ask yourself, why is it that former Protestants can acknowledge the basic Christianity of Protestants yet ex-Catholics like you seemingly unable to do the same?

Just because you never opened the door to Christ and wasted 36 years being a pew warmer in the Catholic Church does not mean that Christ is not there.

Here is another question, off topic but you don’t even have to answer.

How many times did you actually pick up a bible and read it for yourself while attending The Catholic Church? And how often do you do it now? Maybe you are a rare ex-Catholic who actually read scripture alot with other Catholics and Catholic bible studies, but most likely you were ignorant of Scripture while in the Catholic Church. And ignorance of the Scripture is ignorance of Christ.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[M_Oliver]

Actually I do know. Some of these people were taught exactly by the apostles.

I really hate to do this to you. JUDAS was taught by Jesus Christ. Think about it my friend. Do you REALLY know what you are talking about?

 

[Mannyfit75]

I really hate to do this to you. JUDAS was taught by Jesus Christ. Think about it my friend. Do you REALLY know what you are talking about?

Judas was taught and did not practice what he preached. Likewise the other 11 Apostles did, the apostles who remain faithful to Jesus themselves were martyr because of Jesus.

I have one question? Was Judas present at the Penecost? Nope. The Church’s birthday is Penecost, that’s when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit in Acts.

 

[M_Oliver]

Judas was taught and did not practice what he preached. Likewise the other 11 Apostles did, the apostles who remain faithful to Jesus themselves were martyr because of Jesus.

I have one question? Was Judas present at the Penecost? Nope. The Church’s birthday is Penecost, that’s when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit in Acts.

You are so decieved manny, and in such denial, that it is laughable to read what you post in an attempt to refute Scripture.

Look my friend. Scriptural truth ALWAYS triumphs over the doctrines of satan. That in a nutshell is why you can never truly prove me wrong.

“The” New Covenant “church” was born on Pentecost. What name does Scripture assign to it again?

 

[Mannyfit75]

You are so decieved manny, and in such denial, that it is laughable to read what you post in an attempt to refute Scripture.

Look my friend. Scriptural truth ALWAYS triumphs over the doctrines of satan. That in a nutshell is why you can never truly prove me wrong.

“The” New Covenant “church” was born on Pentecost. What name does Scripture assign to it again?

I am not the one decieved here. I have encounter Non-Catholic Christians like you who are claim that the CC teaches false doctrine. I ask you a question early asking you if the St. Ignatius, St. Polycarp, and St. Clement were taught by error by the Apostle John and Peter.

If you say yes. You just reject Jesus.

Jesus said to his apostles. “He who hears you, hears me. He who rejects you, rejects me. He who rejects me, rejects who sent me.”

 

[rbarcia]

**Your commentaries above lack logic., with regard to the RCC. Along with misinterpreting the Poster and her comments.

And where in the bible does it teach Born Again or Once Saved Always Saved… You left the true church of Christ for a man-made doctrine…

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
Gal 1:8

Christ is talking about any doctrine that does not preach or teach a Christian the doctrine according to Holiness which the RCC does adhere too and profess.

BTW, according to your non-denominational sect(Born Again). do you not also believe and profess commandment keeping has nothing to do with your salvation…?? yet claim it is essential to Faith… ???

BTW, your doctrine does teach commandment keeping has nothing to do with ones salvation, yet you are preaching they are essential to faith…??? How can they be essential to Faith if you are not being judged according to your actions…

Jan **

Good works are the result, not the cause of salvation.

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Eph 2:8-10

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Salvation is by grace.

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Romans 11:6

6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace

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And we can know we have eternal life

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1 John 5

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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And Good Works, Suffering Accompnay Salvation, they do not cause it.

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Hebrews 6

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

11And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

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No man or woman deserves salvation or can earn it. No man or woman can fool God with false faith either. But it is Grace, through Faith, and unto Good Works.