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stbruno
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The archdiocese of Chicago’s website also has a link to the bishops website’s statement on Nancy Pelosi. Now if we could get this message out to everyone.
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KenEOTE
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What is the link?
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stbruno
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muskieman
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Unfortunately, after this confession of ignorance, the statement continued by offering the quip that ‘many Catholics do not ascribe to that view.’
Look up Cafeteria Catholic and the picture looks a lot like Nancy Pelosi…but then it resembles about 16 members of congress that vote pro-abortion but call themselves Catholic. Unless the bishops do more than talk the scandals these people bring to everyone will continue and the Cafeteria Catholic will continue to flourish. I listen to someone speak that over turning Roe v Wade would not change anything and they might be true but to get a ship going in the right direction sometimes takes a start by beginning to make a course alteration.
Look up Cafeteria Catholic and the picture looks a lot like Nancy Pelosi…but then it resembles about 16 members of congress that vote pro-abortion but call themselves Catholic. Unless the bishops do more than talk the scandals these people bring to everyone will continue and the Cafeteria Catholic will continue to flourish. I listen to someone speak that over turning Roe v Wade would not change anything and they might be true but to get a ship going in the right direction sometimes takes a start by beginning to make a course alteration.
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muskieman
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Supporting a procedure that kills life and then misstating the church’s teaching to justify your position is just as much a crime as someone who stands with a killer but doesn’t pull the trigger. Nancy comments only exacerbates the situation started by her original comment that she supports killing children.
Criminal act as dictated by the state versus criminal act against GOD and moral law…
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valient_Lucy
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People are almost impossible to please. I’m just as guilty of this as the next person.
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valient_Lucy
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You’re right. It would end her career. It would take an incredible amount of courage, and I don’t think she has it.Oops…had to add another smiley to my post. (this one:)
I agree, even if it is the right thing for her to do, it would be political suicide.
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KathleenElsie
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What is most important her career or her immortal soul?
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Nordar
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We know what is most important but apparently Pelose is not too concered with her immortal soul. She does not believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus she thinks that’s too much for The Church to have us believe. And we certainly know how she feels about abortion.
I don’t think she gives her immortal soul too much thought!
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Joe_Kelley
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See I Left My Soul in San Francisco in Father Z [28 August]
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Tantum_ergo
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While I certainly disagree with Ms. Pelosi’s recent remarks and with her voting record re abortion, one must be very careful to separate a judgment of her words and actions as being incorrect, from a judgment regarding her ‘intention’ and speculating over whether she is ‘paying attention to her immortal soul’ etc. That sort of judgment is not ours to give.
We can, and should, note inaccuracies and even untruths spoken of the Catholic faith and address those. . .with firmness and also charity, even if charity means to continue to note the inaccuracies and untruths and not to ‘accept them’ or to ‘back down’, even when the person wails we’re being ‘unkind’. We’re not.
But we should not then put words into the other person’s mouth. . .or claim that we can ‘read’ her thoughts or know, without doubt, her intentions or her soul.
For when we do, we are opening ourselves up to judgments --and correct ones at that–of our own failures, of our own errors, our own lack of charity, our own ‘inaccuracy’, etc.
So let’s stick to the ‘facts’ and let speculation of Ms. Pelosi’s intentions and her ‘thoughts’ be kept ‘out of the equation’.
We can, and should, note inaccuracies and even untruths spoken of the Catholic faith and address those. . .with firmness and also charity, even if charity means to continue to note the inaccuracies and untruths and not to ‘accept them’ or to ‘back down’, even when the person wails we’re being ‘unkind’. We’re not.
But we should not then put words into the other person’s mouth. . .or claim that we can ‘read’ her thoughts or know, without doubt, her intentions or her soul.
For when we do, we are opening ourselves up to judgments --and correct ones at that–of our own failures, of our own errors, our own lack of charity, our own ‘inaccuracy’, etc.
So let’s stick to the ‘facts’ and let speculation of Ms. Pelosi’s intentions and her ‘thoughts’ be kept ‘out of the equation’.
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valient_Lucy
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Nancy Pelosi thinks her career is more important than her immortal soul. She’s wrong, but that’s clearly her opinion. Sadly, she’s not the first, nor will she be the last.
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Mom_of_5
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Nancy is just two heart beats away from being the president of the USA. I pray we never find out how she would govern our country. Now, consider those who are worried about the current govenor of AK being just one heart beat away from the presidency. For me, no comparison, I’ll take the lovely, moral. mother of 5 any day!!! Sarah Palin is not Catholic.
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Love and peace
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Joe_Kelley
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I am reminded of the scene in A Man for All Seasons where Thomas More chides the one who had just testified falsely against him. [Richrd Rich?] He note that the witness has a new post in Wales and says something to the effect: “For the whole world maybe, but for Wales???”Nancy Pelosi thinks her career is more important than her immortal soul. She’s wrong, but that’s clearly her opinion. Sadly, she’s not the first, nor will she be the last.
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valient_Lucy
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I was thinking about that too.
G.K. Chesterton said that St. Thomas More was going to become more important in the coming centuries. I think he was right.St. Thomas More, pray for us!
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valient_Lucy
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Sadly, we’ll never know for sure how he would have responded. But even Tom Brokaw didn’t seem to be buying what Pelosi was saying. He pointed out that the Catholic Church does feel very strongly that life begins at the moment of conception.
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Tantum_ergo
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Wouldn’t it be something if Tom Brokaw were so struck with this whole issue that he became Catholic himself and became a passionate crusader for the Faith?
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Chris-WA
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I don’t think she is ignorant. I’m sure she knows exactly what the Church teaches. But she doesn’t care. She is going to do what she wants, just like millions of other American Catholics, regardless of Church teaching. The worst part is that she is willing to lie about the teachings of the Church to the media in order to make her position look reasonable. Unfortunately, Ms. Pelosi occupies one of the highest offices in the land and thereby gets the media attention. But I’m willing to bet that if her local bishop were to call a press conference to publicly correct her and rebuke her for what she said, the press would come and it would most definitely make the nightly news. The question is whether that bishop has the guts to do it.Not surprising that you find a way to slam President Bush even though he has nothing to do with this thread.
I would love to see our American bishops defend the faith more vigorously and publicly then they seem to do. It’s time these phony Catholic politicians were stripped of the ability to call themselves Catholic in the media. They are creating so much scandal for the Church in America and there seems to be almost no response by the bishops. It’s so frustrating.
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