Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

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I tend to think even many Trump supporters know why but won’t post or say it. He promised on numerous occasions before the election that he would release his tax returns but clearly lied about that-- and about a lot of other things as well, needless to say.
He is a spectacular liar. I wouldn’t give him even a little bit of consideration/sympathy unlike many conservative Catholics. He is schemingly courting Catholics so that he can grab our votes. I will never ever let him grab mine. 🤣
 
The problem is the “big C” Church has been pushing to de-emphasize opposing abortion as a pro-life issue in favor of climate change, immigration, and other “social justice” issues. I would go so far as to predict that within my lifetime (another quarter century or so), to combat climate change, supporting abortion and euthanasia will become the official “pro-life” issues of the Catholic Church
I can’t see this ever happening. For one thing, it is not true the the Church has de-emphasized abortion. This is simply not something the Church has done or said, your perception not withstanding. This incident was not about abortion. It did not happen at the pro-life rally.
No one is trivializing abortion. That straw man just doesn’t work here
I think the problem is deep and systemic. Most have not temptation to get an abortion, or have someone that needs an abortion. Focusing on sins that one does not commit is the path of an easy Christianity. It is an escape from the harder problems where people do have sin of envy, pride, or greed. Pope Francis, among others, challenge us to get past this habit of working only on the sins of others, and look to ourselves, our own values, and see which have we negotiated on.
 
He is schemingly courting Catholics so that he can grab our votes. I will never ever let him grab mine
He appointed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, likely prolife justices where Obama appointed two pro-abortion justices. He let the Little Sisters off the hook of the HHS Mandate Obama imposed on them. He reinstated the Mexico City policy after Obama repudiated it. With a record like that, (and more) Trump doesn’t need to “grab” my vote. I give it willingly.
 
Most have not temptation to get an abortion, or have someone that needs an abortion. Focusing on sins that one does not commit is the path of an easy Christianity. It is an escape from the harder problems where people do have sin of envy, pride, or greed. Pope Francis, among others, challenge us to get past this habit of working only on the sins of others, and look to ourselves, our own values, and see which have we negotiated on.
One does not have to have an abortion or procure one to promote it. It’s a lot easier than that, just one checked name on a ballot will do that.

I do, however, think most folks really do try to work on their moral weaknesses.
 
He is schemingly courting Catholics so that he can grab our votes.
Exactly, and this is what Trump wrote about in “The Art of the Deal”, whereas he basically says that he’d do just about anything and everything to “seal the deal”. He has been Pro-choice almost all his life, so I’m highly suspicious that he had a true change of heart.
He’s long been known as a “con-man” in the East Coast, and what people like him do is to play on the gullibility of others.

Also, his stance on abortion would play well with single-issue voters, some of which seemingly don’t care that much about children after they’re born because of cuts in various programs that hurt children. Trump even admitted he was a terrible father because he was gone a lot, so that should tell us something.
 
Are you really saying it doesn’t matter what he does for life, it only matters what he personally believes about abortion? His record so far has been very prolife. Why should we reject that, even if he doesn’t believe in it himself?

Why do you think “single issue” voters (the epithet used against prolife people oftentimes) don’t care anything about children who are born? What is the evidence for that? Is there a Pew poll demonstrating it? What?
 
For one thing, it is not true the the Church has de-emphasized abortion. This is simply not something the Church has done or said, your perception not withstanding. This incident was not about abortion. It did not happen at the pro-life rally.
Pope Francis was very critical of Trump’s proposed border wall but I don’t recall him taking Clinton to task for her pro-abortion stand. The same was true for US Bishops. /shrug.
Why do you think “single issue” voters (the epithet used against prolife people oftentimes) don’t care anything about children who are born? What is the evidence for that? Is there a Pew poll demonstrating it? What?
I think this is a good example of how the Church is de-emphasizing abortion as a pro-life issue. If abortion is just one of a basket of “pro-life” issues, then the Church can justify supporting pro-abortion candidates, like Hillary Clinton, because, on balance, she cares about more of the items (climate change, immigration, “universal healthcare”, etc.) in the “pro-life” basket than Trump and his supporters, who only care about stopping abortion so they can implement their “Handmaiden’s Tale” agenda of making women slaves…
 
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I think this is a good example of how the Church is de-emphasizing abortion as a pro-life issue. If abortion is just one of a basket of “pro-life” issues, then the Church can justify supporting pro-abortion candidates, like Hillary Clinton, because, on balance, she cares about more of the items (climate change, immigration, “universal healthcare”, etc.) in the “pro-life” basket than Trump and his supporters, who only care about stopping abortion so they can implement their “Handmaiden’s Tale” agenda of making woman slaves…
I don’t think there’s any real likelihood of the Church doing this. Individual churchmen, however, are sometimes another story.
 
Also, his stance on abortion would play well with single-issue voters, some of which seemingly don’t care that much about children after they’re born because of cuts in various programs that hurt children. Trump even admitted he was a terrible father because he was gone a lot, so that should tell us something.
This is a cheap shop at pro-lifers. You are absolutely and entirely WRONG about this. It makes me furious that this meme is still being touted. You are committing a calumny here.

Who is trying to shut down pregnancy care centers.?
http://www.chicksontheright.com/plan…-alternatives/

Who do you think supports Thrive-St. Louis? http://thrivestlouis.org/

Birthright St. Louis? http://birthright.org/stlouismo.html

Our Lady’s Inn ? https://ourladysinn.org/


I earnestly ask you to retract that statement.
 
Are you really saying it doesn’t matter what he does for life, it only matters what he personally believes about abortion? His record so far has been very prolife. Why should we reject that, even if he doesn’t believe in it himself?

Why do you think “single issue” voters (the epithet used against prolife people oftentimes) don’t care anything about children who are born? What is the evidence for that? Is there a Pew poll demonstrating it? What?
The president signed legislation that allowed states to remove Title X funding from Planned Parenthood over its provision of abortion. Under the Trump administration, the Justice Department announced that it is formally investigating the abortion group for possible involvement in the illegal fetal-tissue-trafficking industry.
 
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Like every Republican president since Ronald Reagan, Trump reinstated the largely popular Mexico City policy, which denies U.S. aid money to any international group that funds or promotes abortion. But he took the policy a step further, expanding it to cover nearly all U.S. foreign health spending, not just family-planning funds. The administration also moved to defund the United Nations Population Fund on similar grounds.

The Trump administration drastically expanded the religious and conscience exemption to the Health and Human Services Department’s contraception mandate, which had been added to the Affordable Care Act to require that employers provide employees with subsidized birth control. This exemption enabled religious employers, such as the Little Sisters of the Poor — an order of charitable Catholic nuns — to avoid paying for abortifacient drugs, among other contraceptives.

In rhetoric, too, the White House has been outspokenly pro-life. Vice President Mike Pence addressed the 2017 March for Life, making him the highest-ranking presidential-administration official ever to speak at the event. The president voiced his willingness to help in the case of Charlie Gard, the terminally ill infant in the U.K. whose parents wished to obtain further care for him in the U.S. rather than take him off of life support at the command of his doctors.

And Trump expressed a willingness to sign the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act if it were passed by Congress. The bill would ban abortions nationwide after 20-weeks’ gestation based on research showing unborn children have the capacity to feel pain at that age. The bill passed the House in the fall but stalled in the Senate.

Appointed pro-life Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

Actions speak louder than words. Especially words like “I wouldn’t want my daughter to be punished” by a pregnancy.
 
Also, his stance on abortion would play well with single-issue voters, some of which seemingly don’t care that much about children after they’re born because of cuts in various programs that hurt children. Trump even admitted he was a terrible father because he was gone a lot, so that should tell us something.
Here is what government programs do:

Let me tell you about private vs. government “charity.” I volunteer at a HOME for homeless mothers and their children. It is not a shelter. Nursing care, social services, volunteers, etc. are provided there. Our parish cooks homemade meals and serves them. There are very strict rules that the mothers need to follow - no cell phones, no rudeness, etc. A few months ago there was a young mother with preemie newborn twins and a special needs 7 year old. The 7 year old was clearly on her last nerve and she lost her temper. I sat down and talked to her and held one of her babies so she could eat. Another volunteer took over and entertained the 7 year old.

The next time I went, I noticed this mother was gone. I was told she found an apartment, section 8. How in the world is this helping her? She has no job, no support, but she has an apartment. How does she even get to the grocery store?
 
Oh yea, reducing unemployment really hurts the poor.

Obama BRAGGED about increasing the rolls of the poor.

Obama forced poor people to buy insurance or pay a penalty. Insurance they couldn’t afford.
 
Lots to cover. Only had time to read the one most likely to be accurate, the opinion piece in Forbes. Even though the writer clearly disapproves of the tax cuts, the “harms” he posits are all:
-“Will surely happen in the future” like the cuts he believes are inevitable to Social Security.
-“Will happen if not extended”. Trump couldn’t get permanent cuts, so they’re only temporary. And certainly if not made permanent, their expiration will result in higher taxes for those affected by the cuts, which is all individual taxpayers.

Perhaps I’ll get to the less trustworthy articles later. I’m not ready to say “fake news” yet. But one always has misgivings about the “news” sources that are house publications for the Dem party.
 
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Well, the WaPo opinion piece posits mainly two “harms” to the poor.
  1. If the penalty for not having health insurance goes away, the poor will pay higher premiums. Actually, those with the big subsidies won’t pay no matter what the premiums are.
  2. It assumes that surely in the future there will be cuts to things like Medicaid to pay for tax breaks to “the rich” (actually the middle class. The truly rich have less tax exposure)
  3. Like the Forbes article, it predicts higher taxes for those poorer people who actually pay taxes in the future WHEN THE CUTS EXPIRE. Same thing.
It’s not so much “fake news” as it is “Misleading headline”.
 
Just read the NYT article by liberal Paul Krugman. In his opinion, the poor are harmed by the Trump administration’s attempt to impose work requirements on recipients of public assistance.

He neglects to mention that those were designed by Bill Clinton who promised the “end of welfare as we know it”. They required that people who receive public assistance either work 20 hours/week, prove they’re looking for work, or take job training. And they only applied to the able-bodied who did not have dependent small children. Over the years, various states have stopped requiring those things.

Not “fake”. Just another misleading headline.
 
Pope Francis was very critical of Trump’s proposed border wall but I don’t recall him taking Clinton to task for her pro-abortion stand. The same was true for US Bishops. /shrug.
This is a good reason why lack of evidence is not evidence that something is lacking. I could pull a lot of quotes by Pope Francis condemning abortion, and that is the issue, not Clinton. She was not an elected official and she did not make a media splash. but abortion has been, still is, and will be, harshly condemned.

Can you provide evidence, from the Church, not just opinions and conjecture, that the status on abortion as a mortal evil has changed? There is no de-emphasis. I think that is just confirmation bias speaking.
 
Can you provide evidence, from the Church, not just opinions and conjecture, that the status on abortion as a mortal evil has changed?
I didn’t say it’s status as a “mortal evil” has changed, I said it has been de-emphasized. It is now just now one issue in a basket of issues, like climate change, immigration, and universal healthcare, that are now included under the “pro-life” rubric. I don’t think this is arguable. What is my opinion is that at some point opposition to abortion will be dropped in favor of combating climate change (which requires a reduction in the number of humans) or universal healthcare (which will include abortion as a right).
 
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