Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

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pnewton said:
Wow! Comparing Trump to St. Augustine! That has to be the biggest stretch I have seen here. He is no more a saint that he is Hitler.
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Are you denying that people can have a change of heart? Should I accuse you of comparing Trump to Hitler?
 
qui_est_ce said:
Are you denying that people can have a change of heart?
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No, it was the method that struck me as extreme, even funny. I would very much like to see a change. I want to see what a humble Donald Trump is like. For now, the question is open whether he had a change in heart, or a change of political alignment.
 
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But neither did qui est-ce say Trump is a saint, so that charge is also untrue. She merely mentioned St. Augustine as a case in point that a womanizer can change.

Getting a headache watching all of this non-communication.
 
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Are you denying that people can have a change of heart?
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No, it was the method that struck me as extreme, even funny. I would very much like to see a change. I want to see what a humble Donald Trump is like.
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Me too, but it likely won’t happen.

Some people struggle with sin their whole lives, but still manage to get some things right.
 
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As someone whose first grandchild that lived was born last week, this statement bothers me even more now than it did when it was first spoken.

Kris
 
Ridgerunner said:
Getting a headache watching all of this non-communication.
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I was about to get more “meta” (as a joke) but I do not want to be responsible for your headache. You, que est, and I are 95% the same on most of the foundational stuff anyway.
 
Hello and thank you for responding. I remember how I enjoy reading your comments from the old forum as well as here. 😀
pnewton said:
The one time we simply must consider prudence as well as charity is in voting. We have to consider who a person is beyond the speeches and spin. Such judgement does not judge the soul, but the suitability to the offices sought.
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Agree, but as members of the mystical body of Christ, is voting the only best option that we can do or that the Church can offer us to do for the cause of ending abortion?
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It was an analogy only. I almost spit out my drink on it, but it was just an analogy. The point is that a person can change by the grace of God. This is usually accompanied though by repentance and humility.
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Yes, I know… I don’t doubt that because I’ve experienced the power of the grace of conversion myself.

I don’t doubt the legislative decisions of Donald Trump to be benefiting “pro life causes.” I believe he is only doing this politically to win the Catholic and conservative votes and to shift the resources away beneficial from the Liberal left to the Conservative Right. That political agenda I can accept. But to judge him as if he truly cares for the unborn, people, and other life issues? That I have a hard time believing.
 
phujosh said:
Agree, but as members of the mystical body of Christ, is voting the only best option that we can do or that the Church can offer us to do for the cause of ending abortion?
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Voting is but one action. There really is only one way to end abortion, rather than limit it through political means, that is becoming the saints we are called to be. I am stealing this from Peter Kreeft a little, as the only way to stop a serious, cancerous sin, is by evangelizing the country. The only way to do that is to show them the saint living in the Church today. The only way to do that, is be willing to sanctify ourselves.

So it is a good idea, from time to time, to set aside whether you are making points here, being clever and witty or generally “winning” and ask yourself if you are being holy. I speak from my own struggles here.
 
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pnewton said:
that is becoming the saints we are called to be. I am stealing this from Peter Kreeft a little, as the only way to stop a serious, cancerous sin, is by evangelizing the country. The only way to do that is to show them the saint living in the Church today. The only way to do that, is be willing to sanctify ourselves.
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Super agree, we, as the Catholic Church should be working on our sainthood and offering it in union with the suffering of Christ on the cross for the transformation of the culture of death prevalent in the USA. That I believe, can greatly help in ending the abortion more so than what it seems to me to be putting all of our hopes and trusts in the hands of politicians.
 
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I would add giving of one’s substance to those organizations that take care of at risk women and their babies.

My favorites are Catholic Charities of Southern Missouri, which operates one home for mothers and is starting another one. It provides room and board, clothing, medical, detox if needed, psych if needed, prenatal care, education and job referrals when the baby is born.

My other favorite is an order of sisters that does the same thing, but is also “evangelical” in going out into the depths of the South Bronx to seek out those in need and counsel those who want it. Look at their website. It will impress you. It also provides “returns” and retreats for the women, to maintain their spiritual strength.

 
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My other favorite is an order of sisters that does the same thing, but is also “evangelical” in going out into the depths of the South Bronx to seek out those in need and counsel those who want it. Look at their website. It will impress you. It also provides “returns” and retreats for the women, to maintain their spiritual strength.

http://www.sistersoflife.org/
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I love the Sisters of Life. I met a few of them last year at the Catholic Women for Christ Conference. One of them was a rocket scientist in Houston before she decided to become a sister. She graduated from my high school in St. Louis. They do wonderful work with joyful hearts.
 
I would add the Franciscans of Life to the list, out of Miami. Many here still remember the beloved Brother J. It is interesting that he credits the Sisters of Life for his inspiration.
 
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I can say that it is hard to answer anecdotes like this. No article is going to give enough facts to evaluate the case. Since it is on a site called “Talk Poverty” it is to be expected one side of the story will be given, so there is no more to take from it than any post here by an individual.

I can speak in generalities, but only on my own opinion, as to the failure of the war on drugs, and the over incarceration in the United States. I might also add that one measure of “greatness” (back to MAGA) is how the least in society is faring.

We should judge where we stand as a nation by the standard Jesus gave.
‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
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pnewton said:
I would add the Franciscans of Life to the list, out of Miami. Many here still remember the beloved Brother J. It is interesting that he credits the Sisters of Life for his inspiration.
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Did not know that. I do remember Brother J.
 
I think I would probably want to investigate it. Either this person is able to work or she isn’t. Her telling me doesn’t mean it’s so, or that it isn’t, despite the fact that there are parts of it that don’t really add up. In particular is her assertion that “Trump’s changes” (actually Bill Clinton’s) would strip her of Medicaid if she didn’t find a job. That’s not how it works.

Anecdotal stories are everywhere.
 
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qui_est_ce said:
I love the Sisters of Life. I met a few of them last year at the Catholic Women for Christ Conference. One of them was a rocket scientist in Houston before she decided to become a sister. She graduated from my high school in St. Louis. They do wonderful work with joyful hearts.
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Lots of advanced degrees among them. But I think just about all of them have some degree or another. As I said, lots of them are nurses or psychologists by education, and they use it in their work.
 
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