Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

[Guinness]

As one who organized and/or was a chaperon on well over 100 field trips, I believe the chaperons made a mistake by not moving the kids to a more secured location nearby and telling the students to not respond to any provocation.

It’s funny how many people want to blame anybody but the actual provocateurs for the incident.

 

[qui_est_ce]

In all the filed trips I organized or was involved in, including two in D.C., I never had a single incident anywhere near what we see with the videos.

I think people are getting bolder.

 

[vz71]

Hmmm. Perhaps I did. What did the black Hebrews want?

They wanted violence.

 

[OneSheep]

They wanted violence.

What evidence do you have that they wanted violence? Please provide the words that expressed this.

They were disruptive, and they voiced some prejudicial and hateful speech, but what did they truly want?

 

[dvdjs]

That is true - and evident form the bio story that I linked to on the closed thread.
But his history was almost certainly unknown to the students, so it is totally irrelevant to an assessment of their behavior.

 

[dvdjs]

You never answers that question.

I have already in multiple posts.

 

[dvdjs]

Me too, as i have already posted, asking for prosecution to the full extent of the law… However, from the various news accounts it is not clear that he attempted to disrupt the Mass or just to demonstrate outside of the Cathedral. The later would probably not be prosecutable.

I think that they were. Sandmann statements includes the idea that the students approached the chaperones to seek permission to respond to the Black Israelites with their school cheer. I am not sure where they were when Mr. Phillips approached. I infer that while some here have found the drumming and chanting frightening or felt the Phillips was in Sandmann;s face, the chaperones didn’t see it that way.

 

[vz71]

What evidence do you have that they wanted violence? Please provide the words that expressed this.

They were disruptive, and they voiced some prejudicial and hateful speech, but what did they truly want?

I cannot quote the group on this forum.
If you want to review the video yourself, go ahead.
That they wanted violence is clear in their hate filled vitriol.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ns-who-surrounded-him/?utm_term=.d88a7cb303ea

In an interview Saturday, Phillips, 64, said he felt threatened by the teens and that they swarmed around him as he and other activists were wrapping up the march and preparing to leave.

Phillips said a few people in the March for Life crowd began to chant, “Build that wall, build that wall,”

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“They were in the process of attacking these four black individuals,” Phillip said.

“There was that moment when I realized I’ve put myself between beast and prey,” Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

The crowd of students, some of whom wore MAGA caps, mocked Native Americans while chanting “Build the Wall” and using derogatory language, he said. The students had a "mob mentality" that “was scary,” Phillips said. "It was ugly, what these kids were involved in. It was racism. It was hatred. It was scary."

Phillips said he recalled “the looks in these young men’s faces … I mean, if you go back and look at the lynchings that was done (in America) …and you’d see the faces on the people … The glee and the hatred in their faces, that’s what these faces looked like.”

“The Black Israelites, they were saying some harsh things, but some of it was true, too,” he said. "These young, white American kids who were being taught in their Catholic school, their doctrine, their truth, and when they found out there’s more truth out there than what they’re being taught, they were offended, they were insulted, they were scared, and that’s how they responded. One thing that I was taught in my Marine Corp training is that a scared man will kill you. And that’s what these boys were. They were scared."

“I’m a Vietnam Vet”
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019...lips-video-im-a-vietnam-vet-i-was-in-theater/

Emphasis mine

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

In this video interview below, on top of his other claims, Phillips compares the students to the picture of white kids surrounding a black kid during the civil rights lunch counter sit in, compares them to the stand in the schoolhouse door, and compares them to lynch mobs in general. He also compares himself standing in front of them to standing in front of the 7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee and standing in front of the men who murdered an Indian in the 70s. He claims that Sandmann “stole his narrative”, basically accuses him of lying, and suggests that the kids did not leave because their buses were there but because they were running away from the police. He also claims that Sandmann stood in front of him and blocked his path. He doubles down on his claim that they yelled “build the wall” at him, and when asked what other derogatory statements were shouted at him he says that some really hateful things were said that he can’t repeat and that he shut out of his mind. How convenient.

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[pnewton]

I do not remember them advocating violence, and I do not guess at motives. However, their language was the most hateful spiel I have ever heard, full of bigotry and malice. I will say unquestionably that they are the ones that I, as a chaperone would have moved away from, and called the police to boot. Their language crossed the line from free speech to public disorder. It would have been illegal here. I do not know about DC.

It is unfortunate that with Phillips grand-standing, and the teenagers embroiled as central figures in this story that the real villains are flying under the radar.

 

[pnewton]

We should remember that with Phillips holding himself as a representative of Native Americans, that they, as a group, or not lying cowards.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

Absolutely. What is crazy is that when the Black Hebrew Israelites were first reported, they were reported as “young black men preaching the Bible”. Everything that the Covington kids were accused of, these guys ACTUALLY DID. You can even hear the Covington kids say “they are still people” when the BHI are hurling insults at homosexuals. And we have stories calling Covington homophobic. The problem is that “back radical hate group hurl insults at Indians and white kids” doesn’t fit the narrative of racism that “bigoted white kids hurl racial insults at Indians” does.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

Of course. The only person who is condemned by Nathan Phillips’ actions and words is Nathan Phillips. It has nothing to do with him being a Native American. He is just a liar. Anyone who wants to hook their reputation to him, beware.

 

[Cathoholic]

From a qui_est_ce quote . . .

There’s also video out this morning of Phillips discussing being “in theater” during Vietnam, which is not accurate; according to the Marine Corps, he never served overseas.)

Thanks for posting this qui_est_ce.

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Even though Phillips was apparently never “in-theatre” in “nam” . . . .
. . . It looks like Phillips was “in-theatre” at the pro-life event.

 

[Cathoholic]

My main questions at this point are why the students were not chaperoned by someone older.

They were chaperoned. They were all there waiting for their bus.

 

[JanetF]

As one who organized and/or was a chaperon on well over 100 field trips, I believe the chaperons made a mistake by not moving the kids to a more secured location nearby and telling the students to not respond to any provocation.

Safety has to be #1 on such outings as we don’t want children to be put in harm’s way regardless as to whom may cause what, especially since “emotional contagion” can often quite quickly ramp-up a situation, thus possibly leading to hostilities. In all the filed trips I organized or was involved in, including two in D.C., I never had a single incident anywhere near what we see with the videos.

Having been to the March for Life, I’m not sure that would have been possible. They were given an assigned place to wait for their bus. There are thousands of busses leaving DC at the same time, it is CHAOS after the March. As you say, safety has to be #1, waiting in their assigned place was the prudent thing to do. I do believe that one of the chaperones should have injected themself between the teen and Mr. Phillips and tried to explain to the native american that the boys would be leaving soon, they were waiting for a bus…

Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Cathoholic]

That is right JanetF.

A change may not have been possible. Or at least in the best interests.

And if they moved the kids, and trouble KEPT following them, and the kids missed their bus,
these same people would be criticizing the adults for prolonging the situation because they didn’t connect with their bus on a busy DC street where they were supposed to be.

So NOW it is still their fault for moving them, and prolonging the confrontation.

It is likely (in my opinion) the kids were being hassled, not because of where they were standing, but because some of them had MAGA caps on. I can’t prove it, but it fits the pattern of what I have seen. (The Maxine Waters effect)

As you said. . . Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[vz71]

Their language crossed the line from free speech to public disorder. It would have been illegal here.

Such is normally illegal because it is a call to violence.
I do not understand your position.
On the one hand you do not see them advocating violence but on the other hand you acknowledge a threat to public safety.

 

[pnewton]

I heard no threat of violence. I could have missed it, but I do not remember any threats are call to violence. On the other hand, abusive language is against the law here, even if it does not call people to violence, like their cussing and sexual remarks, as well as the prolific use of the “N” word.