Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

[FirstFiveEighth]

What a crock. These particular people think the entire United States belongs to them and them alone. Nobody needs to hear anything from them, and they should not be given a platform.

 

[JanetF]

The students absolutely need to be corrected by these holy elders.

For what exactly, do the students need to be corrected? and “holy elders”? Seriously?

 

[JimG]

Educational events? Such as beating a drum in front of the listener’s nose?

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Hmm, me thinks this person who just joined 4hours ago, is here to just make fun of people and attack. Flagged.

 

[Ridgerunner]

. I wonder what his reaction would be if the lads had been wearing Che’ shirts instead.

One does wonder, all right.

These kids undertook a long trip and marched in the cold, and all for life and because of their acceptance of Church teaching. But the bishop jumps them because of the hats some of them wore are political? After the appointment of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and some of Trump’s other appointments to the bench, and his reinstatement of the Mexico City Policy and his letting the Little Sisters off the Obama religious persecution, one would think the good Bishop could overlook this small thing.

But I guess not.

 

[EmmaSowl]

I challenge every Catholic that reads this to pray one decade for him today.

Thank you for your suggestion. I read it this morning and just finished praying The Agony in the Garden for him.

I won’t make a challenge, but I will make the complementary suggestion that we also pray a decade for the children he slandered.

 

[EmmaSowl]

These are my words of life. There is iron in them.

Iron or irony (or sarcasm)?

Since I am a fan of black humor, I laughed out loud at

Great Orange Father must make this the law!

As a fan of clever usernames, I smiled at yours.

Hope I am reading you correctly.

Sincerely,
Am A Soul

 

[pnewton]

…not for anything they may have done to Nathan Phillips, but for wearing MAGA hats.

That sentence should not have had a period. The Bishop specified it was wearing those hat in the context of a pro-life rally. We must remember that the Catholic view of pro-life is not just pro-birth.

 

[pnewton]

You’re just Monday morning quarterbacking a situation that you really know very little about.

Have you not posted opinions as well here? Of course everything said here is, by necessity, hindsight.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

wearing those hat in the context of a pro-life rally. We must remember that the Catholic view of pro-life is not just pro-birth.

so it is okay to attack someone based on what they are wearing?

I like Bishop Barron’s response better.

https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/article/the-internet-and-satans-game/6002/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_term=fb-barron&utm_content=the-internet-and-satans-game&utm_campaign=article

 

[pnewton]

Guinness:

But you weren’t there. You’re just Monday morning quarterbacking a situation that you really know very little about.

This times 10.
Armchair quarterbacking is a poor judge.

I would say the reverse is true. Those who do not learn from the past make poor judges, as every day is devoid of context. There is always wisdom to found in analyzing the past. Because hindsight is 20/20 looking back and doing this Monday morning quarterbacking is a valuable source of learning. Surely there are enough people who use this in their work to understand its value and stop denigrating any criticism.

Furthermore, even rushing to the defense of these teenagers is done using hindsight, or Monday morning quarterbacking. It is still a judgement, a positive one, but a judgement nonetheless. As to Che T-shirts, the same reasoning would apply, of course, unless one is assuming the bishop is a hypocrite out of hand, and without reason. There is always confession for that sin.

 

[pnewton]

so it is okay to attack someone based on what they are wearing?

Why does this straw man keep popping up? No is saying this. Of course it is not okay, for the hundredth time.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Of course it is not okay, for the hundredth time.

Sorry I haven’t heard it one hundred times but I guess it will probably keep being the response when the hats are brought up.

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

Well it’s not a straw man because many people have said they shouldn’t have worn MAGA hats, that they should have expected what they got, from media personalities to Bishops to people on this forum.

 

[pnewton]

I have seen no one say it was okay for them to be attacked for wearing those hats. Do you remember enough about a post that said that for me to do a search?

 

[FirstFiveEighth]

There is an entire thread in Catholic News started by someone who says the kids knowingly wore hats that are racist, bigoted, and anti-life. It is called something along the lines of “do Catholics want to be associated with MAGA”. A handful of posters have also said in the various Covington threads that they shouldn’t have worn the hats.

 

[vz71]

I would say the reverse is true. Those who do not learn from the past make poor judges, as every day is devoid of context. There is always wisdom to found in analyzing the past.

Fair. I am all for learning.
But I am talking about people passing judgement having not been there during the incident.

I am sure if the incident had happened before, the chaperones may have been better prepared.
I believe they were admirable in an unexpected situation.

 

[vz71]

Why does this straw man keep popping up?

Maybe it has something to do with the apology to the boys over the snap judgement by their Bishop.
He condemned their wearing of the hats.

 

[pnewton]

Thank you. I just went through that thread and couldn’t find anything. But to clarify, saying they should not have worn the hats (as their bishop did) is not the same thing as okaying an attack on them. The bishops said the problems was wearing the hats as a Catholic at a pro-life rally. We must remember that Catholic may have a different view of what it is to be pro-life than other Christians. We are not just about birth. St. John Paul wrote in Evangelium Vitae:

To be actively pro-life is to contribute to the renewal of society through the promotion of the common good. It is impossible to further the common good without acknowledging and defending the right to life, upon which all the other inalienable rights of individuals are founded and from which they develop. A society lacks solid foundations when, on the one hand, it asserts values such as the dignity of the person, justice and peace, but then, on the other hand, radically acts to the contrary by allowing or tolerating a variety of ways in which human life is devalued and violated, especially where it is weak or marginalized.

I don’t know if the bishop went too far, but I do get his point about the hats, or the Che shirts if they ever show up.

 

[JimG]

Maybe I’m just politically naive, but until this news story, I never gave any thought to MAGA hats or any other type of political campaign souvenirs.

Likewise I never thought that anyone wearing a Reagan campaign button or having a Goldwater campaign bumper sticker favored nuclear war. I didn’t think that anyone wearing an Obama “yes we can!” shirt was a communist or a socialist. It’s just politics. It’s just political gear. It doesn’t designate a person as good or evil.

Did the bishop who condemned kids for wearing the hats mean to condemn them for being Republican or for being Trump supporters? That sounds more like a third world nation than the USA. The march was over. They were headed home. They had bought the hats and wore them waiting for the bus. It must have come as a shock to them that this was the equivalent of wearing white hoods.