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And exactly what does that prove? You have an example that you cite and that somehow is supposedly the norm?
Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine
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And you are really that willing to stoop that low? Do you know anything about my background or do you just like jumping to conclusions based on nothing?
Well, let’s see how many more stereotypes you are willing to use, so what’s next on your list?
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Metis1
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You have avoided dealing with what I posted by deflecting into something else, and yet is was you, not me, that made false accusations in regards to Trump’s policies vis-a-vis children. I posted sites that clearly indicate you were wrong, and instead of admitting as such, you just shift gears into something else while at the same time stereotyping me. No wonder you support Trump.
So, here we are at a Catholic site, and this is what you do? I’ve had enough of your insults and disingenuousness, so this will be my last response to you.
BTW, Jesus said “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them for them for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these”, not “Let the little children come to me for I wish them to be removed from their parents and to be put into cages”. Contrary to right-wing talking points, one simply cannot compare what Trump did versus what Obama did if one knows the law and the background of their decisions. And this is but one item that could be mentioned in regards to some of Trump’s utterly depraved words and actions, such as his bragging about he can sexually assault women.
So, my question that I’ll finish this last “discussion” with you is: I believe in the basic morals that Jesus and his Church teaches; whom or what do you believe in?
Goodbye.
So, here we are at a Catholic site, and this is what you do? I’ve had enough of your insults and disingenuousness, so this will be my last response to you.
BTW, Jesus said “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them for them for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these”, not “Let the little children come to me for I wish them to be removed from their parents and to be put into cages”. Contrary to right-wing talking points, one simply cannot compare what Trump did versus what Obama did if one knows the law and the background of their decisions. And this is but one item that could be mentioned in regards to some of Trump’s utterly depraved words and actions, such as his bragging about he can sexually assault women.
So, my question that I’ll finish this last “discussion” with you is: I believe in the basic morals that Jesus and his Church teaches; whom or what do you believe in?
Goodbye.
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qui_est_ce
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What you posted was stereotypical. You repeated the nonsense that pro-lifers only care about the baby before it’s born. I will counter that at every opportunity, especially for the many lurkers out there.qui_est_ce:
And you are really that willing to stoop that low? Do you know anything about my background or do you just like jumping to conclusions based on nothing?
Well, let’s see how many more stereotypes you are willing to use, so what’s next on your list?
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Ridgerunner
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From my observation and experiences, the persons who are MOST likely to care for and aid children already born and their mothers are the same people who care about the not-yet-born.
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Metis1
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Besides the cuts in Medicaid that is negatively affecting children, there’s also the CHIP program that helped children until Trump & Co. ended it: Opinion | The Republican War on Children - The New York Times
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While I’m at it, let me add this as well:
Less than two months after signing massive tax cuts that largely benefit those at the top of the economic ladder, President Trump has put forward a 2019 budget that cuts basic assistance that millions of families struggling to get by need to help pay the rent, put food on the table, and get health care. The cuts would affect a broad range of low- and moderate-income people, including parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Taken together, the cuts are far deeper than any ever enacted and would deepen poverty and hardship and swell the ranks of the uninsured.
The budget also scales back efforts to promote opportunity and upward mobility, such as by cutting both job training and programs that make college more affordable. These cuts fly in the face of the Administration’s rhetoric about expanding opportunity for those facing difficulties in today’s economy and helping more people work… – https://www.cbpp.org/research/feder...s-health-housing-other-assistance-for-low-and
Less than two months after signing massive tax cuts that largely benefit those at the top of the economic ladder, President Trump has put forward a 2019 budget that cuts basic assistance that millions of families struggling to get by need to help pay the rent, put food on the table, and get health care. The cuts would affect a broad range of low- and moderate-income people, including parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Taken together, the cuts are far deeper than any ever enacted and would deepen poverty and hardship and swell the ranks of the uninsured.
The budget also scales back efforts to promote opportunity and upward mobility, such as by cutting both job training and programs that make college more affordable. These cuts fly in the face of the Administration’s rhetoric about expanding opportunity for those facing difficulties in today’s economy and helping more people work… – https://www.cbpp.org/research/feder...s-health-housing-other-assistance-for-low-and
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Is this really the answer to climate change??? reduce the number of humans? and universal healthcare is affordable if we have abortion as a right??? Is this where we are heading?
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You mean like St. Paul? religious and spiritual???
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phujosh
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I will only believe Trump’s “mystical experience” when Trump mysteriously becomes humble in his speech and demeanor and admits some of his mistakes like when he denigrated the lives of immigrants, refugees and people from countries that he described with indecent words and haphazardly endangers with life-threatening policies; when he releases his tax returns; when turns down the wall; when he realizes that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, thereby, detaching all of his love for money, worldly things and pleasures and all of his wealth and giving them to the needy; when he steps down from his political position and enters the religious life to follow Jesus… Only then, I will believe DT has indeed had a mystical experience like St Paul… But for now, I am highly confident that his so called “pro life stance” is nothing but a politically motivated strategy to grab the winning Catholic votes.
As long as he is effective in the fight against abortion, he deserves them.
Am I the only one to notice this pattern…
Everyone is told never to vote for the conservative pro-life candidate because they are just paying lip service to get the votes.
Then when someone comes along that is taking action, we are told not to vote for him because he is just executing a politically motivated strategy.
Is there ever a good time to vote for a pro-life candidate?
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phujosh
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Maybe it’s just me, but as a Catholic, I do not believe that abortion can be solely solved through political means regardless of who is elected. Based on my observation, it seems like Catholics are told to put all of their hopes and trusts in the hands of politicians but do not use some major religious, Catholic spiritual warfare means for the transformation of the culture of death to the culture of life.
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The laws will have to be changed.
That will require political maneuverings.
As far as I can tell, nearly every Catholic Parish has a pro-life rosary said every week specifically addressing the need for God’s influence in changing hearts.
The Catholics you see outside the abortion mills are not there addressing politicians. They are specifically addressing those directly involved in the death as well as praying.
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I have participated in many of these. Our Church is open 24 hours with the Blessed Sacrament exposed 24/7 with hourly rosary prayer except during Mass… But I have come to think of it with our endless prayers and petitions, Marches for Life, and continues Masses offered, why does it seem like God is not listening… Are we, as Catholics, doing something wrong or not listening to the messages and revelations in many appartitions that we are called to do to change the hearts and minds of people?
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I do not understand. You were referencing that Catholics are not using the spiritual tools available, but then talk about just how much your own church offers. The two do not seem completely in concert.
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Just like on the other thread, you mentioned mostly through prayers to change the hearts and minds of people… Are we doing something wrong with our prayers? Are we not doing enough? Are we listening to the messages of many of Mother Mary’s apparations? We as Catholics are leaving out something very crucial which is required as part of what would make everyone holy…
We as Catholics are forgetting just how much time these things take.
We are also forgetting how much God does for us.
Every time…EVERY time the church has been in trouble throughout history, God provided her with Saints to help her.
We believe the church is in trouble and losing effectiveness…just wait and pray. God will provide what the church needs.
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Yes. Many are voting for pro-abortion candidates.
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phujosh
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If only we shift our focus from too much politics and more on prayers and HUMILITY, SACRIFICES, PENANCES, MORTIFICATIONS from our Catholic brothers and sisters, then we would see the changes in the world. We must be the change that we want to see in the world.
How can we change the hearts and minds of people for the end of abortion, to change the culture of death to life when we can’t even change the heart and mind of a pitiful ignorant gentile? How can we change the hearts and minds of people and the world when our response to a pitiful encounter between a bullied smirking Catholic boy and an ignorant chanting/drum banging Native American is to retaliate by filing a libel suit that only perpetuates evil. Perhaps, our responses should have been to embrace the ignorant gentile, accept the persecution endured by the Catholic boys and girls, forego the libel suit and instead teach the Catholic kids to offer their endured sufferings in union with the sufferings of Jesus on the cross FOR THE CHANGE OF HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE IGNORANT GENTILES AND PRO CHOICE WOMEN, FOR THE END OF ABORTION AND FOR THE TRANSFORMATION OF CULTURE OF DEATH TO LIFE IN AMERICA AND THE WHOLE WORLD AND FOR THE SALVATION OF SOULS.
Teaching the kids this Catholic spiritual reward for the salvatuon of souls and to grow in holiness over the reward of money is the right thing to do.
How can we change the hearts and minds of people and the world when we slammed the door of God’s house to the protesting ignorant gentiles when our responses, perhaps, should have been to welcome them in since they Ephesians 3:6 …“are coheirs, members of the same body, and co-partners in the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.” Perhaps, they would have encountered a mystical experience where God would have shown them a vision. What a loss of opportunity for an instant miraculous and spiritual conversion for all of them. Or what if any clergy could have invited them, put some warm clothes on their shoulders, offered them hot dinner and washed their feet and offered that kind of sacrifice in union with Jesus on the cross for their conversion, for the culture of life and salvation of souls… Again, I can’t think but these kind gestures against ignorant gentiles or “enemies” would have prompted them to convert. Subjecting oneself by humble gestures to “enemies” is the way to win the battle against the devil’s pride. If these are too impossible for any Catholic to do, then, I would suggest for the sake of unity and reconciliation if the Catholic Church has not already done so, is to invite all the parties involved for a private meeting to iron out differences to create a sense of unity. It is a win, win situation for all the parties involved.
We need to choose and create humble peaceful ways instead of endless battles that perpetuates evilness in the world….
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