National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[goitalone]

I just have this one sincere question…

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?

Hey, just curious!

 

[mommyof4]

Ok, I’m unfamiliar with this prophesy. Can you please fill me in?

Thanks,
Mommyof4

 

[MusicMan]

Actually, I’ll be realizing just how illegal such a law would be in the US. Such a law violates the First Amendment.

 

[MarysRoses]

Ok, I’m unfamiliar with this prophesy. Can you please fill me in?

Thanks,
Mommyof4

Ellen White, the Adventist prophetess, warned that at the end times, the United States would lead in establishing and enforcing a law that would criminalize worshiping on any other day, forcing Adventists, Seventh-day Baptists and any other sabbatarians to work on Saturday and observe Sunday as a day of rest. The penalty for worshiping on another day or refusing to worship on Sunday would be death. They also teach that anyone worshiping on Sunday, especially at this time, takes the mark of the beast. Some adventists say that Sunday only becomes the mark of the beast at the end times, some say it applies to anyone that at one time accepted their sabbath teaching and has returned to a Sunday church.

When I was young, my (Adventist) cousins used to tell scary stories to each other at family gatherings about how Catholics stored guns and other weapons, waiting for the order to go out and kill the sabbath keepers. (This is NOT official Adventist doctrine, but I know of others who were told the same stories and I personally experienced them myself).

I still get this from my family. Though most have ‘given up’ on me ever being Adventist again, it seems I can’t get through a family party or reunion without “Well, you know the truth, you’ll do the right thing when the Sunday Law is passed.”

grrrrrrrrrrrrr…

I’m usually polite and change the topic, but one of these days I just might mention my gun cabinet… JOKE.

we don’t have any guns. In my household we don’t even kill bugs, but thats another story.

MarysRoses

 

[Brian_C]

Except that such a law would harm those devout Catholics who are kinda attached to that whole daily mass thing-a-ma-jig… Or go to Saturday Vigil for that matter…

 

[LilyM]

Except that such a law would harm those devout Catholics who are kinda attached to that whole daily mass thing-a-ma-jig… Or go to Saturday Vigil for that matter…

Hate to say it, goitalone, but it ain’t gonna happen. Shoppers and shopkeepers of all faiths (and atheists for that matter) are too addicted to Sunday shopping to allow it.

In my own relatively short lifetime I’ve seen Sunday basically become another working day for most all retailers and I don’t think we’re gonna go back.

 

[Caesar]

When I was young, my (Adventist) cousins used to tell scary stories to each other at family gatherings about how Catholics stored guns and other weapons, waiting for the order to go out and kill the sabbath keepers.

Shush or you’ll give us away and spoil the plan :tsktsk:

 

[Titus03]

While I agree that Sunday has replaced the jewish Sabbath, I do not agree that it was foretold in the bible, and I don’t believe it was directly started by the RCC.

From what I have studied, Constantine, the Roman Emperor who converted to Christianity after a dream he had before a battle, established Christianity in the Roman world, made it the religion to be in. While many believe him to have been a devout christian after his conversion, my research only shows him to be a superstitious pagan, at best. He also worshipped the Sun god, which, from what I can tell, is why we worship on Sun-day. I believe it was a way to bring his pagan beliefs together with his christian beliefs. An early form of ecumenism.

This was only remotely related to the post, just my two cents. Hopefully you learned something, or will, at best, go research my claims for yourself.

 

[Caesar]

While I agree that Sunday has replaced the jewish Sabbath, I do not agree that it was foretold in the bible, and I don’t believe it was directly started by the RCC.

From what I have studied, Constantine, the Roman Emperor who converted to Christianity after a dream he had before a battle, established Christianity in the Roman world, made it the religion to be in. While many believe him to have been a devout christian after his conversion, my research only shows him to be a superstitious pagan, at best. He also worshipped the Sun god, which, from what I can tell, is why we worship on Sun-day. I believe it was a way to bring his pagan beliefs together with his christian beliefs. An early form of ecumenism.

This was only remotely related to the post, just my two cents. Hopefully you learned something, or will, at best, go research my claims for yourself.

The Da Vinci Code is passing as a reliable source now I see.

 

[Titus03]

Sorry, didn’t read or watch the Da’Vinci code, not really my kind of thing.

 

[corvidae]

Sorry, didn’t read or watch the Da’Vinci code, not really my kind of thing.

I think he was more refering to you saying that Constantine changed It to sunday.

One must remember that our language and name for the days is not universal. For example in spanish, sunday is domingo, litterally, the Lord’s day.

Many would claim that Sunday worship goes all the way back to acts of the Apostles (I believe, I could be wrong) when it says they gathered on the first day of the week, the Lord’s day, to sing hymns to God.

I am not sure what the Latin days of the week are, but I doubt very much that Sunday was dedicated to Sol Invictus, as the rest of the days of the week come from German, and not Roman gods.

Suns days
Moons day
Tew’s day
Woden’s Day
Thor’s Day
Frei’s Day
Satur’s (another name for Loki) day

A lone Raven

p.s. I and most Catholics would be against such a law, as it would forbid worship everyday, and on our Holy Days, We do not worship just on sunday.

upon research, it appears Sunday is a Roman custom as well (almost all of the germanic and roman gods match up as far as roles in the week, tew with mars (gods of war), frei with venus (gods of love), etc.

However, there is evidence predating constantine of a change in the day of worship. Christians worshipping on the first day rather than the last, there is even Roman writings of Christians and their “Agape” meals on the first day of the week.

 

[Zooey]

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Well, personally, I plan to jump into my time machine & hightail it back to the 21st century, leaving the Puritans to fight it out over witches & spectral evidence & skirt lengths & all that miscellaneous 17th century carp.
And yourself???

 

[pnewton]

Many would claim that Sunday worship goes all the way back to acts of the Apostles (I believe, I could be wrong) when it says they gathered on the first day of the week, the Lord’s day, to sing hymns to God.
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Sunday worship is referred to in the Didache which predates John’s Revelation. So to follow Ellen White’s logic, she makes the Catholic Church the true 1st century Church. Not that she is reliable after she messed up with predicting the second coming and then having to backtrack.

 

[LilyM]

I think he was more refering to you saying that Constantine changed It to sunday.

One must remember that our language and name for the days is not universal. For example in spanish, sunday is domingo, litterally, the Lord’s day.

Many would claim that Sunday worship goes all the way back to acts of the Apostles (I believe, I could be wrong) when it says they gathered on the first day of the week, the Lord’s day, to sing hymns to God.

I am not sure what the Latin days of the week are, but I doubt very much that Sunday was dedicated to Sol Invictus, as the rest of the days of the week come from German, and not Roman gods.

Suns days
Moons day
Tew’s day
Woden’s Day
Thor’s Day
Frei’s Day
Satur’s (another name for Loki) day

A lone Raven

p.s. I and most Catholics would be against such a law, as it would forbid worship everyday, and on our Holy Days, We do not worship just on sunday.

Not quite. Here is a list of the days of the week in Latin. Not precisely the same as the German days but Sunday and Monday are definitely named for the sun and the moon for Romans as well.

In Christian times, however, Sunday also became known also as domini dies (the Lord’s Day), which has been kept in the Romance languages of French (dimanche) Italian (domenica) and Spanish (domingo)

 

[corvidae]

Read after my p.s.

I researched a little farther and found out about the day of the sun.

However, I still maintain that I was taught Satur’s was a name for loki. Besides, why have all norse gods in the germanic and then just throw a roman one in.

A lone Raven

p.s. I believe I also made a mistake on “agape” meals being the first day of the week, as it appears Rome before Constantine had 8 day weeks, and the Christians went by the Hebrew Calender with 7 day weeks.

 

[LilyM]

Read after my p.s.

I researched a little farther and found out about the day of the sun.

However, I still maintain that I was taught Satur’s was a name for loki. Besides, why have all norse gods in the germanic and then just throw a roman one in.

A lone Raven

Entirely probable, corvidae. Though the Germans and Romans weren’t quite completely unknown to each other. Koln (Cologne) for example, was a Roman settlement - Colonia Traiana Ulpia I believe. There’s a fantastic museum in Cologne detailing Roman activity in Germany as well, for the ancient history buffs. Highly recommend it

 

[corvidae]

post deleted by corvidae for being off topic

 

[Beno]

I also hate to put it to goitalone that even though a sincere question seems to be asked, a serious reply cannot be obtained from me because the entire premise is severely flawed to begin with. I just cannot force myself to argue point by point the plethora of untruths, false assumptions, and bad arguments created in the minds of highly imaginative individuals who initially spread these beliefs regarding National Sunday Law. This stuff seems to come, as it typically does, not from respectable and reliable research and inquiry but rather from highly prejudiced attitudes and ill-educated notions about an aspect of Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. And yes, I own a copy of the book in its umpteenth printing that details the subject. :banghead:

 

[mommyof4]

Except that such a law would harm those devout Catholics who are kinda attached to that whole daily mass thing-a-ma-jig… Or go to Saturday Vigil for that matter…

Yea! Some of us like our Saturday evening vigils. And DAILY mass if possible. And First Saturday Devotions.

 

[christianley]

I just have this one sincere question…

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?

Hey, just curious!

I won’t like it very much since I go to mass everyday, not just on Sunday. You need to argue about this one with the Protestants, not the Catholics. There are probably more Catholics at mass on Saturday than Seventh Day Adventists attending their church services.