Why do you worry about things that were already fulfilled in the early persecution of the Christian Church by Roman Emperors such as Nero?Wow! Looks like another significant step toward the SUNday law.
IT GETS MORE EXCITING EVERY DAY!
CNN’s “historical” program on the early church claims in its opening words that the Apostles worshiped on Sunday, and not the Sabbath
of the
Jews. This brings the Sunday issue to the fore. Sunday superiority
over the “Jewish” Sabbath was the first topic presented. Next
came the
“Eucharist” as the oldest Christian tradition. And so on, presenting
today’s Catholicism as Apostolic orthodoxy.
edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/after.jesus
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,** and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.**
** 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,** to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
** 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. **
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Revelation 13:14-18
Have these things yet to come to pass? This is an easy one. To answer it, one asks the more basic question: What is the GreatWhy do you worry about things that were already fulfilled in the early persecution of the Christian Church by Roman Emperors such as Nero?
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This prophecy made sense when Ellen White made it, because there was a huge push to enforce Sunday “Sabbath” laws.I just have this one sincere question…
What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?
Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?
Hey, just curious!
Me too. In effect, they would also be persecuting Catholics, who attend Saturday and/or daily masses. I just see no reliable evidence that this is taking place.The answer to your question is that if indeed people who kept the Sabbath on Saturday were ever persecuted, I would certainly stand with them.
Edwin
Here’s your basic problem–you are working with an implicit divine command theory of ethics. In other words, you think that God’s government is most truly exercised when we do things just because God says so.Have these things yet to come to pass? This is an easy one. To answer it, one asks the more basic question: What is the Great
Controversy all about? The answer is: God’s government. In other word’s Who’s in charge, here? Christ or Satan. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments. " Satan tempted Jesus to act presumptuously against God. He quoted a Scripture promise presumptuously, and Jesus answered “Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word which proceedeth out of the mouth of God”, and “God only shall you worship”.
To obey and worship God is the issue of the Great Controversy.
In Daniel, the controversy is made plain in the little horn of Dan. 7
presuming to change “times and laws”, in other words, substituting
the time commandment in the decalogue with a Sunday Law, a false
sabbath. Islam did exactly the same in substituting Friday for
Sabbath.
So it’s pretty obvious that the final great controversy will be over
God’s Law, and in that law only the Sabbath issue, since nobody
quibbles about lying, stealing, murdering, and adultery,although
they will certainly try to quibble more and more.
So the only one of the ten which is challenged is the Sabbath
commandment.
It can be nothing else. Notice I didn’t quote any of the Pioneers.
I used only the Bible and history, not SDA history.
I just got back from NJ, where, in Bergen County, the Blue Laws are still in effect. Malls and most retail businesses are closed every Sunday. They actually like it that way and no one has challenged the law for years. I thought they (the mall stores, especially) might try to ask for an exception for this year’s Dec. 24th Sunday but they did just fine being closed. Made up for it with “day after Christmas” sales, I guess.When I was young NC had something called the Blue Laws. I only vaguely remember them myself. If I remember correctly most bussiness couldn’t open on Sunday.
Considering that the Blue Laws were done away with when I was a small child, I don’t see how the prophecy can come true.
Coming from a state, Georgia, that still has a “blue law” of prohibiting Sunday alcohol sales on the books, I’ve noticed a big turnaround of public opinion in my lifetime against such Sunday prohibilitions whether they have been implicit or explicit. There’s been more people engaging in business on Sundays and more cities have allowed alcohol sales in restaurants. I figure that its only a matter of time before there will be no more blue laws here. I don’t see anything that could reverse this trend.This prophecy made sense when Ellen White made it, because there was a huge push to enforce Sunday “Sabbath” laws.
There is no such push today. That issue is as dead as a doornail. Only a tiny minority of Calvinists and perhaps a few others even care.
Hi goitalone,Wow! Looks like another significant step toward the SUNday law.
IT GETS MORE EXCITING EVERY DAY!
CNN’s “historical” program on the early church claims in its opening words that the Apostles worshiped on Sunday, and not the Sabbath
of the
Jews. This brings the Sunday issue to the fore. Sunday superiority
over the “Jewish” Sabbath was the first topic presented. Next
came the
“Eucharist” as the oldest Christian tradition. And so on, presenting
today’s Catholicism as Apostolic orthodoxy.
edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/after.jesus
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,** and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.**
** 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,** to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
** 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. **
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Revelation 13:14-18
It is about love, as Jesus said if you love Him you will keep His Sabbath commandment as well as the other 9…to rest and worship Him on that holy sactified day He gave us a command to keep.Here’s your basic problem–you are working with an implicit divine command theory of ethics. In other words, you think that God’s government is most truly exercised when we do things just because God says so.
The controversy is not about power. It is about love. Whom do we love–God or an idol (which is to say ultimately a reflection of ourselves)? God’s commands are not arbitrary, but in keeping with natural law. The temptation to “quibble” is a temptation to turn away from love of God and neighbor toward our ow selfish passions and love of power.
In other words, the Sabbath commandment does not have the unique position you claim for it, because that unique position rests on the view that God’s government is most upheld when we obey just because God says so. In fact God’s government is most upheld when we recognize God’s laws written in our hearts. Because our hearts are sinful and the writing of God’s law has been obscured, sometimes we have to obey a law that isn’t obviously reflected in our hearts. But that is not the situation that most clearly illustrates what God’s law is all about.
You have a fundamentally mistaken view of God’s law. That’s the real issue between you and orthodox Christianity.
Edwin
Not sure what you are trying to say exactly here…I was showing what CNN’s new show is saying about the disciples worshipping on Sunday which is not what the Bible reveals.Hi goitalone,
I’m a little confused by this post, are you saying the apostles had it wrong from the start?
If that’s the case, then Jesus lied when He promised: John14:26 But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.
Or when He said: John 20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.
22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
With love,
George
Ah yes, the great and distinguised Theological School of CNN…I was showing what CNN’s new show is saying about the disciples worshipping on Sunday which is not what the Bible reveals.
Very interesting if yer SDA.Ah yes, the great and distinguised Theological School of CNN…
I’d think it was strange days. It might motivate me to take political action as well, if I saw a way for that.I just have this one sincere question…
What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?
True but being a SDA it’s a bigger than you may think or know.I’d think it was strange days. It might motivate me to take political action as well, if I saw a way for that.
Regarding a different post of yours, I think people contend about more than just the Sabbath. People contend about the first commandment as well. Also, marriage is under attack. This could be classed as contention about the adultery commandment.
You church is so worried about the Sabbath, but feels free to allow abortion. I think your priorities are mixed up. Look at your church’s weak abortion statement on its own web site:I just have this one sincere question…
What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?
Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?
Hey, just curious!
You are right, I know little of the SDA. You seem to be saying that a Sunday Law for you is a signal of the end. Like that song…party’s over, oops, out of time. Or like 2Pet mentions about God being patient, but then the heavens will pass away, etc.True but being a SDA it’s a bigger than you may think or know.