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goitalone
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Didn’t answer you because you were posting like 6 posts to 1 of mine …and for other reasons.
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dawgfan
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For what other reasons did you not answer him?
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SDA2RC
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Goitalone,
I began at the start of the thread and posted one reply to each post through the thread that I thought I should respond to… I did not post 6 posts to one of yours. I would still like your responses if you would. Thanks
Brandon
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SDA2RC
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Correct… a man, not an office, a church, or a city/state, or a religious system. Was there a man in the first century that this could apply to?
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RNRobert
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Years ago (before I became Catholic) I came across some SDA literature and for a while seriously considered their claims. However, I came across some references in Scripture that Christians celebrated on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2), plus this telling verse:
**Colossians 2:16 **"Let no one, then, pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath,. These are shadows of things of things to come; the reality is Christ.
From what I’ve read, SDAs claim that Sunday worship was instituted by Constantine in the fourth century. However, St Ignatius of Antioch (who learned his faith from the Apostle John) writes in his Epistle to the Magnesians in the early second century:"We have seen how former adherents to the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord’s Day instead, (the Day when life first dawned for us thanks to Him and His death).
I believe Justin Martyr, later in the second century, also writes of Christians worshipping on the first day of the week. So, either Christianity went off the rails long before Constantine, or worship on the first day of the week has been part and parcel of the Christian faith from the beginning.
Another thing: considering A) the rampant secularization of the world (such as making Sunday just another business day) and B) the hostility of much of the world towards the Catholic Church, I seriously doubt the Pope could influence the government to compel Sunday worship, even if he wanted to.
**Colossians 2:16 **"Let no one, then, pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath,. These are shadows of things of things to come; the reality is Christ.
From what I’ve read, SDAs claim that Sunday worship was instituted by Constantine in the fourth century. However, St Ignatius of Antioch (who learned his faith from the Apostle John) writes in his Epistle to the Magnesians in the early second century:"We have seen how former adherents to the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord’s Day instead, (the Day when life first dawned for us thanks to Him and His death).
I believe Justin Martyr, later in the second century, also writes of Christians worshipping on the first day of the week. So, either Christianity went off the rails long before Constantine, or worship on the first day of the week has been part and parcel of the Christian faith from the beginning.
Another thing: considering A) the rampant secularization of the world (such as making Sunday just another business day) and B) the hostility of much of the world towards the Catholic Church, I seriously doubt the Pope could influence the government to compel Sunday worship, even if he wanted to.
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goitalone
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This is one of the reasons here…the same old taken out of context Colossians 2:16 verse again…this has all been done a billion times in other threads…
…the devil really has you people seriously confuzzled
We can only pray the Lord winks at our ignorances.
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dawgfan
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But please don’t go - I’m enjoying this thread. Stay awhile and contribute more.
We may never agree on various issues - but I think this discussion is interesting. Too often, when debating other non Catholic religions some things may seem overheated and people get scared off.
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RNRobert
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Taken out of context? In Colossians Paul was writing to people who were falling victim to Judaicizers. I thought the SDAs were the ones who took that passage out of context.
Jesus said the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church. If Constantine really did change the proper day of worship, then that would mean that the gates of hell did prevail.
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corvidae
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goitalone,
I wonder why you think we are so misled.
As should be obvious, we as Catholics would oppose such law because it goes against our own worship practices as well as yours.
In addition, people have pointed out why we worship predominately on sunday, and you bring forward no rebuttal but that we are misled by satan.
If you have evidence, please bring it forward, but surely you would agree that Catholics are unlikely to push through legislation that harms themselves.
A lone Raven
I wonder why you think we are so misled.
As should be obvious, we as Catholics would oppose such law because it goes against our own worship practices as well as yours.
In addition, people have pointed out why we worship predominately on sunday, and you bring forward no rebuttal but that we are misled by satan.
If you have evidence, please bring it forward, but surely you would agree that Catholics are unlikely to push through legislation that harms themselves.
A lone Raven
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SDA2RC
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BTW… here is an interesting article about the possibility of a Sunday Law… ellenwhite.org/nsl/egw22d.htm (Non-Catholic Link)
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az_4_faith
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Goitalone,
What is your purpose for being on this forum?
Is it to inquire about Catholicism, teach about SDA or simply to be combative?
As Catholics, we are taught to be respectful, charitable and loving towards our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, to celebrate our commonalities and not to exploit our differences.
Of course you are welcome on this forum, but please leave the war and the battlefield for somewhere else.
We do not hear our Church leaders attacking other Christian faiths. Rather, they pray that we can all be One, just as Jesus has hoped. They invite all to pray for unity.
Do you think this kind of divisiveness is pleasing to God? Or does it frustrate Him to no end, fill Him with immense sadness. After all, when He sent His Son 2,000 years ago, it was in the hopes of uniting ALL of God’s children, not causing us to bicker continually over splitting His Church into thousands of pieces.
May we all be reminded that our faith is in the One True God, His Son and Our Savior, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We’d all get alot further by celebrating that which we have in common, rather than treating each other with malice, all in His Name.
What is your purpose for being on this forum?
Is it to inquire about Catholicism, teach about SDA or simply to be combative?
As Catholics, we are taught to be respectful, charitable and loving towards our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, to celebrate our commonalities and not to exploit our differences.
Of course you are welcome on this forum, but please leave the war and the battlefield for somewhere else.
We do not hear our Church leaders attacking other Christian faiths. Rather, they pray that we can all be One, just as Jesus has hoped. They invite all to pray for unity.
Do you think this kind of divisiveness is pleasing to God? Or does it frustrate Him to no end, fill Him with immense sadness. After all, when He sent His Son 2,000 years ago, it was in the hopes of uniting ALL of God’s children, not causing us to bicker continually over splitting His Church into thousands of pieces.
May we all be reminded that our faith is in the One True God, His Son and Our Savior, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We’d all get alot further by celebrating that which we have in common, rather than treating each other with malice, all in His Name.
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Valke2
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Yes. If they pass a National Sunday Pray or Pay law, then I will abandon all my beliefs in exchange for yours.
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JimO
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Uh, Goitalone, are you aware that in most Catholic parishes Mass is said seven days a week even though we are required only to attend Mass on Sunday (or at the Saturday vigil - which can be as early as 4 pm)? So, the Catholic Church would never support a law requiring worship on Sunday only.
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dawgfan
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Plus there are other Holy Days of obligation that sometimes fall during other days of the week.
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Catholic90
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Yes, 1844 was when we believe He entered into the Most Holy Place to begin judging the dead and it’s taking God a long time, is that what you are saying?..and people are dying today still by all sorts of calamities…tidal waves, earth quakes, famines, tornados, hurricanes, old age…but just at the end the living will be judged and that’s it.
How do you know God doesn’t judge the instant they bodily die? The prisoner who was with Jesus on the cross was told “TODAY you will be with me in paradise”
1844?? Huh? Yeah, whatever…
Guess what? People have died throughout history of tidal waves, earthquakes, famine, tornadoes, hurricanes, old age…it’s just that with today’s media, we hear about it instantaneously, instead of years later as people traveled!
It is all in the prophecies of the Bible and makes perfect sense to me. Nothing else could make as perfect sense as Bible prophecy does.
Wow…
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Damascus
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I just saw a post of yours in the non catholic forums that blew me away!
Goitalone, do you care to explain yourself with the comments you make and then dissapear?? Or threaten to dissapear if someone does not agree with your POV?
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Damascus
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Dont even joke like that Valke2! He is mixed up in a very dangerous thing!
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yessisan
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Yeah, like in my thread you hit an ran… why not stay and answer my questions instead of just leaving links? I can search myself on the net, but nothing better than talking to a member of the SDAs to clarify what I read…
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Robin
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…AND WHEN PIGS FLY. Ellen White has been proven to be a False Prophet.
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Robin
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…AND WHEN PIGS FLY. Ellen White has been proven to be a False Prophet.
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