National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[Cardinalsong]

When I was young NC had something called the Blue Laws. I only vaguely remember them myself. If I remember correctly most bussiness couldn’t open on Sunday.

Considering that the Blue Laws were done away with when I was a small child, I don’t see how the prophecy can come true.

I remember the Blue Laws back in my childhood in PA. It had nothing to do with worship, only that businesses were not allowed to be opened on Sundays.

My father always took the car to the local gas station to get the tank filled (back when you stayed in the car while they filled the gas, cleaned the windshield, checked the oil, checked your tires…etc ) Ahhh…the good old days

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by goitalone
I really will never get why people have such a difficult time understanding that

And I can’t get over how much emphasis you (and your church) are putting on a particular day of the week. A week of 7 days, consisting of 24 60 minute hours, all of which has been laid down by man to track immediate time.
God is timeless.
Also, we are called to worship God with our entire being and lives. That means we should be doing this all of the 7 days, 24 hour, 60 minutes of our lives.
God wants us to love and worship him - ALL THE TIME - not just at a meeting on a Saturday.

 

[SDA2RC]

I just have this one sincere question…

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?

Hey, just curious!

Goitalone,
I am not trying to sound rude, but this is akin to asking someone how they are going to feel when cinderella leaves the prince for one of Santa’s elves.

While I am sure you feel very secure in your biblical interpretation, many others have, many in your own religion, who have been proven false. For example, the shut door theory, the millerite disappointment, the rejection of the trinity by most SDA pioneers. According to SDA beliefs, these people (EGW and the early SDA pioneers) were inder the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in bringing about the remnant (SDA) movement, yet they were wrong. Why should we believe you about future events? Afterall, hasn’t Christ been in the “final” phase of his ministry and his imminent coming since October 1844 according to you? That is one long process for a God who is all powerful and can do anythign instantly.

Brandon

 

[SDA2RC]

When I was young, my (Adventist) cousins used to tell scary stories to each other at family gatherings about how Catholics stored guns and other weapons, waiting for the order to go out and kill the sabbath keepers. (This is NOT official Adventist doctrine, but I know of others who were told the same stories and I personally experienced them myself).

Actually Mary, Adventists do officially believe that through the Vatican domination of the US/World, that the Sunday laws will be enforced by death before the second coming.

 

[goitalone]

And I can’t get over how much emphasis you (and your church) are putting on a particular day of the week. A week of 7 days, consisting of 24 60 minute hours, all of which has been laid down by man to track immediate time.
God is timeless.
Also, we are called to worship God with our entire being and lives. That means we should be doing this all of the 7 days, 24 hour, 60 minutes of our lives.
God wants us to love and worship him - ALL THE TIME - not just at a meeting on a Saturday.

Yes, but He COMMANDS only ONE DAY to be REMEMBERED AND KEPT HOLY and do NO WORK!

…as I have said, I’ll never understand why that is not as clear as daylight to people.

 

[SDA2RC]

Have these things yet to come to pass?

YEs

This is an easy one.

Agreed

To answer it, one asks the more basic question: What is the GreatControversy all about?

Christ Vs. Satan, or if your SDA, then it is about what EGW told you it was about in her book “The Great Controversy” Where she regularly adds to the Bible, contradicts the Bible, and tries to sell us on man made doctrines.

The answer is: God’s government. In other word’s Who’s in charge, here? Christ or Satan. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments. "

We do keep Christ’s commandments. Why don’t you?

To obey and worship God is the issue of the Great Controversy.

Ok… now you have said it is about three things, A) God and Satan b) God’s government and c) To obey and worship. Which one is it? Or did EGW tell you it was all of them? The funny thing is that in your post you quote the scripture about living by the Word of God, yet you follow a self-proclaimed prophet who instituted many man made doctrines.

In Daniel, the controversy is made plain in the little horn of Dan. 7
presuming to change “times and laws”, in other words, substituting
the time commandment in the decalogue with a Sunday Law, a false
sabbath. Islam did exactly the same in substituting Friday for
Sabbath.

Um Daniel 7 says that the little horn (which consequently cannot be the Catholic Church as your assuming in your answer) would THINK to change the times and the laws, not that it actually did it. Further, Catholics did not change anything… if you look at our Catechism we clearly state that the Sabbath is Saturday, and the Lords day follows the Sabbath day. Therefore, your assertion is wrong on two points.

So it’s pretty obvious that the final great controversy will be over
God’s Law, and in that law only the Sabbath issue, since nobody
quibbles about lying, stealing, murdering, and adultery,although
they will certainly try to quibble more and more.

ROTFL… its not obvious to me… your assumptions are flawed, and your lack of Biblical support is astonishing to draw these conclusions. For example, neither Catholics nor Adventists follow the First commandment (or second for you) which if taken strictly restricts the use of photographs, statues, or any paintings… things which EGW herself had done.

BTW… now you have told us that the Great Controversy is about 4 different things… You really need to make up your mind.

So the only one of the ten which is challenged is the Sabbath
commandment.

This is also not true… the Sabbath is just the only one which you are focused on… for example, do SDA’s participate in wars and hence kill? Do SDA’s create images (through art, photography, or sculpture) of anything in heaven or earth? Do SDA’s allow validly married couples to divorce and remarry? Adultery. I know for a fact that SDA’s break all of these commandments. So how can you say that the Sabbath is the only one “challenged”?

It can be nothing else. Notice I didn’t quote any of the Pioneers.
I used only the Bible and history, not SDA history.

goitalone:
Actually you didnt use the Bible to support your beliefs either, as you never showed that the Little horn was the CAtholic Church, nor that the Laws spoken of were the 10 commandments, rather than the other 603 laws in the Mitzvah. Finally, you referred to no realiable historical sources. You simply repeated SDA propaganda.

Brandon

 

[SDA2RC]

It is about love, as Jesus said if you love Him you will keep His Sabbath commandment as well as the other 9…to rest and worship Him on that holy sactified day He gave us a command to keep.

Actually He didnt say that… he said if you love him you will keep HIS commandments, not the Jewish Law. SDA’s try to force the 10 commandments as the only possible interpretation of “HIS Commandments”, even though he gave several while on Earth and following his resurrection through the Apostles.

It is also about worship. Worship Satans changed sabbath or the Lords? His biggest deception is to change the Sabbath day of worship which is one of the 10 written in STONE by the Finger of God to show its importance and permanence!

Where does scripture say that the writing by the finger shows permanence? Especially in light of the fact that several eternal Jewish covenants are no longer practiced by CHRISTIANS.

It is interesting to note that no CHRISTIAN was ever commanded in the NT to observe the Sabbath, which is not the same as going to church on Saturday. In addition, Sabbath keeping Churches such as the SDA’s, while relying on the OT to justify Sabbath observance, ignore its directions on HOW to observe it! Thus undermining the authority they use to support their position. Not to mention that what Adventists call the Sabbath is a man made day (via the international date line)

Brandon

 

[SDA2RC]

Yes, but He COMMANDS only ONE DAY to be REMEMBERED AND KEPT HOLY and do NO WORK!

…as I have said, I’ll never understand why that is not as clear as daylight to people.

Because it was commanded to the JEWS who all lived in Israel in one geographic location. It was never commanded to CHRISTIANS! For example, GoitAlone, tell me how to SDA’s observe the SAbbath from Sundown to Sundown in Artic Regions where the Sun does not rise or set for Weeks. Must they keep the Sabbath for Weeks/Months at a time if the sunset falls on a Friday? And please do not use anything but scripture to explain to me how those in artic regions are to observe the Sabbath? Also, what about those in Space by what criteria should they observe the Sabbath?

 

[goitalone]

That is one long process for a God who is all powerful and can do anythign instantly.

He in all reality have destroyed Satan instantly as well could He have not? Well yes and no, yes because He is almighty and can do anything, and NO, because He is a God love and He didn’t just zap the devil out of exsistence without judgment
nor
zap people out of existence or to change their memory, etc. because that would go against His goal of having His creations with free choice.

Yes, this ALL began long ago and far away and has it ALL taken a long TIME?

Yes it has…God has His plans and reasons.

Yes, 1844 was when we believe He entered into the Most Holy Place to begin judging the dead…and people are dying today still by all sorts of calamities…tidal waves, earth quakes, famines, tornados, hurricanes, old age…but just at the end the living will be judged and that’s it.

It is all in the prophecies of the Bible and makes perfect sense to me. Nothing else could make as perfect sense as Bible prophecy does.

 

[SDA2RC]

Not sure what you are trying to say exactly here…I was showing what CNN’s new show is saying about the disciples worshipping on Sunday which is not what the Bible reveals.

My original question was just curious what people think and now I am finding out.

I came across that CNN post on a different SDA forum.

ACtually the Bible does reveal it: Rev 1:10 shows that like other contemporary literature, Sunday was considered the Lord’s Day. Further, scripture tells us to hold to the traditions that are both WRITTEN (scripture) and ORAL Teachings. The observance of the Lords day is an Oral teaching and is given just as much authority in scripture as the written teachings. We can also show that the Lords Day was being kept PRIOR to the death of the disciples.

Finally, no Christian is ever commanded to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

 

[az_4_faith]

Goitalone,

Shame on you, you’re not supposed to be reading anything other than SDA published material, what are you doing on the INTERNET??!!!

I’m tellin . . . .

 

[goitalone]

ACtually the Bible does reveal it: Rev 1:10 shows that like other contemporary literature, Sunday was considered the Lord’s Day. Further, scripture tells us to hold to the traditions that are both WRITTEN (scripture) and ORAL Teachings. The observance of the Lords day is an Oral teaching and is given just as much authority in scripture as the written teachings. We can also show that the Lords Day was being kept PRIOR to the death of the disciples.

Finally, no Christian is ever commanded to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

Twisted lies from Satan and misunderstanding of scripture.

 

[SDA2RC]

He in all reality have destroyed Satan instantly as well could He have not? Well yes and no, yes because He is almighty and can do anything, and NO, because He is a God love and He didn’t just zap the devil out of exsistence without judgment nor zap people out of existence or to change their memory, etc. because that would go against His goal of having His creations with free choice.

Yes, this ALL began long ago and far away and has it ALL taken a long TIME? Yes it has…God has His plans and reasons.

Yes, 1844 was when we believe He entered into the Most Holy Place to begin judging the dead…and people are dying today still by all sorts of calamities…tidal waves, earth quakes, famines, tornados, hurricanes, old age…but just at the end the living will be judged and that’s it.

It is all in the prophecies of the Bible and makes perfect sense to me. Nothing else could make as perfect sense as Bible prophecy does.

Goitalone,
You ignored the rest of my post why? You obvisouly missed the point that your church has been saying that it is imminent for 163 years now. In fact your prophetess, where you get your doctrines, even said that probation had already closed (the shut door theory) did she not? Further she stated that those alive on the Earth in the 1860’s would be alive for Christ’s second coming. If she was wrong on so many things, 1) why do you believe her? 2) Why should we believe your interpretation about scripture, especially when scripture tells us not to believe private interpretations?

 

[SDA2RC]

Twisted lies from Satan and misunderstanding of scripture.

Goitalone,
Then prove me wrong… prove to me that the term the “Lord’s Day” was not used in contemporary writings to refer to Sunday. Prove to me that Christians and the Apostles did not observe the Lords Day. Finally, show me one passage of scripture that commands a CHRISTIAN (i.e. after the resurrection of Christ) to keep the Sabbath? Finally, show me where scripture says that it is the only truth we should believe and that we should ignore the Church.

See the problem here is that your making all these assertions, but not backing any of them up with relevent proof., which is all I am asking for.

Thanks

 

[goitalone]

You are being lied to my friend…I dunno by who, but you are.

 

[goitalone]

I will let the Lord prove that to you when He comes after the Sunday law has past and the plagues fallen.

 

[SDA2RC]

You are being lied to my friend…I dunno by who, but you are.

I was lied to… I use to be Seventh-Day Adventist, and I found out that I was only being told half truths, and skewed historical accounts, and sometimes flat out lies. However, now I am talking to you about some very specific issues, that will require more than simply telling my I am wrong or being lied to by someone. I would appreciate you going through my posts and having a dialogue with you about each of the issues that you raised that I responded to… I think it would benefit everyone on the forum.

Brandon

 

[SDA2RC]

I will let the Lord prove that to you when He comes after the Sunday law has past and the plagues fallen.

Goitalone,
I am asking you to follow scripture and prove it to me… for scripture tells me that when someone comes to me with a different teaching that I need to require proof. “PROVE ALL THINGS and hold fast to that which is good.” 1 Thess 5:20

Further, scripture tells us to always be ready in and out of season to give an answer for our faith. This is all I am asking of you. Thanks

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Have these things yet to come to pass? This is an easy one. To answer it, one asks the more basic question: What is the Great
Controversy all about? The answer is: God’s government. In other word’s Who’s in charge, here? Christ or Satan. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments. " Satan tempted Jesus to act presumptuously against God. He quoted a Scripture promise presumptuously, and Jesus answered “Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word which proceedeth out of the mouth of God”, and “God only shall you worship”.

To obey and worship God is the issue of the Great Controversy.

In Daniel, the controversy is made plain in the little horn of Dan. 7
presuming to change “times and laws”, in other words, substituting
the time commandment in the decalogue with a Sunday Law, a false
sabbath. Islam did exactly the same in substituting Friday for
Sabbath.

So it’s pretty obvious that the final great controversy will be over
God’s Law, and in that law only the Sabbath issue, since nobody
quibbles about lying, stealing, murdering, and adultery,although
they will certainly try to quibble more and more.

So the only one of the ten which is challenged is the Sabbath
commandment.

It can be nothing else. Notice I didn’t quote any of the Pioneers.

I used only the Bible and history, not SDA history.

Please, at least be consistent: is it the second commandment we supposed to have challenged - or the fourth ?​

Witnesses in court cases are required to get their story straight - no jury would take long to acquit a
defendant described by one witness as a one-legged red-haired Caucasian male, & by another, as a black-haired woman of Asian origin who escaped arrest by running away.

If the charges against or the identity of a defendant are doubtful, no jury is going to convict the defendant.

Besides, the mark has been variously identified, as:

• a microchip
• Sunday worship
• [Six-Pointed Star: Mark of the Beast (http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/redir?ur...ype=MS&partner=google&query=Mark of the Beast)
• a barcode
• the number 2483 - philologos.org/__eb-nis/eight.htm
  "In the light of these facts, therefore, we cannot help but conclude: that the bogus religious festivals (Sunday, Christmas, Easter etc.) are in reality the Signature of Satan, the Mark of the Beast! How they originated and came to be adopted by most of the churches is a study in itself, a study you may wish to pursue in the nearest reference library. Indeed, it is now common knowledge that these festivals are inherently pagan, that they existed long before the Christian era and were only introduced into the Christian worship several centuries after the resurrection of our Saviour. But what is not generally known is that they represent the Lawless One’s efforts to change the Sabbath and Festival commandments in Yahweh’s law and that they constitute the Mark of the Beast."

atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/prophecy/mob.html

Why should we suppose that the second of those is uniquely right ?

Is it worship on Sunday that is wrong - or worship on Sunday & the various feasts of the life of Christ ? “Messianic” Jews are often as ready to condemn Christians who worship on Sunday as any SDA is - & many non-denominational Christians spend a lot of time attacking “The Great Whore” of Rome & her “harlot daughters” (= other Christians). The JWS damn the whole lot - Catholics, Protestants, non-denoms, Messianic Christians, SDAs - as members of “the devil’s organisation”.

So why should we think you lot are right ?

“See how these Christians love another” ? Yes indeed - there are times I wonder why God does not scrap Christianity totally, & start again from scratch: all we seem able to do, is find reasons to hate each other. .

 

[goitalone]

But you seem to forget the Bible says its the number of a man.