Being an EX SDA, I try not to assume that everyone believes the same things just because they belong to one religion, because that certainly is not the case. Further, the SDA Church never defines prayer to my knowledge… therefore I would still like to know what YOU believe that pray is… regardless of who it is to. Thanks!
And there is the million dollar question!!! What church can trace an unbroken chain of ordination back to the Apostles themselves?
Grace doesn’t mean holyWhat part dont you see as being the case… the Pope as the successor of Peter, or Mary being full of Grace?
The succession of the Papacy can easily be traced back through to the apostles, and Peter was the bishop of Rome, just as the Pope is the Bishop of Rome.
If you dont believe that Mary was full of Grace, then you reject scripture, and we must have a whole other conversation.
(Luke 1:28 NASB) And coming in, he said to her, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”
“favored one” = G5487. charitow, from G5485; to make graceful, endow with grace:-- favored(1), freely bestowed(1).
This is the same root used to describe Christ in John 1.
(John 1:14 NASB) And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, **full of grace **and truth.
In addition, scripture tells us that ALL GENERATIONS will called Mary blessed.
(Luke 1:48 NASB) "For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.
The church that killed all the christians and and caused the survivors to flee into the wilderness?
Correct… there are several things that make her holy (Holy or sacred), one of which is the fact that she was alive, we consider all life sacred or holy. Second, that she was the tabernacle of God, the fulfillment of the Ark of The Covenant, which was a holy object in the Holy of Holies… or perhaps it is simply this verse:
Hmmm… well… first, I disagree that the Church killed all the Chrisitans, esepcially since there WERE the Christians. Second, I am sure I dont know what your talking about when it comes to survivors running off into the wilderness… perhaps it would be helpful if you give everyone a few examples… say 5 such groups and what their beliefs were.
I’m surprised that you are familiar with the Bible, yet you do not see where the Bible says Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. The first day of the week is Sunday. Please consult Mark 16:9, Mark 16:2 and Luke 24:1.Eden: Jesus chose Sunday. The Resurrection took place on Sunday.
WHAT???
(I am going to act like you people now)
WHERE does it say anything about Sunday in the Bible???
Um…you totally have no clue what I was even trying to say there do you?
I don’t know everything about the SDAs, but from their literature, it seems that you should not work the Sabbath or- else. Of course, they may not have mentioned exeptions (nurses, doctors, etc. What about the military?).
Who tells you this ridiculous stuff?
You did not witness a Mass. You witnessed a Full Rosary session which does take an hour.
Is the pope a great guy? Don’t know but he is the successor to The Chair of Peter. Is he God? If you are a christian you do not have to ask this question but I don’t know you so I will give you the answer NO.
The SDAs believe the Pope is the Beast in the book of Revelation. I think they believe we also worship Mary.
This is a good point… and in all actuality, EGW said it was instituted by the Pope in one place, then Constantine in another. Now, scholars like Samuele Bacchiocchi out forth that Sunday was being observed earlier than the end of the second century. When confronted with these contradictions and their inability to actually show what they teach actually took place, most SDA’s really have no clue as to the historical veracity of the statements by their church.
A good point Joey, this is yet another inconsistency in the SDA Sabbath doctrine. However, if they kept the Sabbath as was directed in scripture, this would not be a problem. But they prefer to use scripture only when it suits, i.e. use the OT to show we must keep the Sabbath, but then ignore the OT when it comes to how to keep the Sabbath.
SDAs make exceptions for some types of work. You’re arguements do not hold water with SDAs. They certainly recognize that some work cannot be avoided and are practical about such things. You might also note that SDA’s are opposed to being in the military except for positions such as medic.
