National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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Mommyof02green said:
You avoided the question:

My question is do Adventists require male-members to be circumcised? Yes or No.
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Don’t even try and start that rediculous idea up again.

Circumcision was NOT the 4th commandment and it was not the Moral Law…what you people think is that when Jesus died He nailed the commandments to the cross and all that bull malarkish…huh uhz!!

That was the cerimonial laws…no more sacrificing etc etc etc.

Wake up people, once the Sunday law is passed it will be too late…probabtion will be closed just as it was in Noahs day when the the door of the Ark was closed up before it started to rain death upon the world…God will destroy you if you ignore His holy teahings.

He will have no chioce unless He truely knows you didn’t know and gives the wink 😉

Ah well…whatever…
 
You know… referring to your audience as “you people” is a fairly abrasive way to talk to people.
goitalone said:
Don’t even try and start that rediculous idea up again.

Circumcision was NOT the 4th commandment and it was not the Moral Law…what you people think is that when Jesus died He nailed the commandments to the cross and all that bull malarkish…huh uhz!!

That was the cerimonial laws…no more sacrificing etc etc etc.

Wake up people, once the Sunday law is passed it will be too late…probabtion will be closed just as it was in Noahs day when the the door of the Ark was closed up before it started to rain death upon the world…God will destroy you (you as in whoever gets that ol’ Mark Of the Pope…er I mean Satan, duh I mean both, I mean…the beast …

if you ignore His holy teahings.

He will have no chioce unless He truely knows you didn’t know and gives the wink 😉

Ah well…whatever…
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Goitalone,
There was no division in the Jewish law, they had one law, with 613 or so precepts, it was called the Mitzvah, it included the 10 commandments. The so called division of the law that the SDA’s have made is not found in scripture, it is simply made up in order to justify keeping only part of the law. Either the law was done away with, or it wasnt. You can’t pick and choose what you want to obey and what you dont. Oh… and did I mention that there is not one command or instruction given to a Christian in scripture or after, that instructs them to keep the Sabbath.
goitalone said:
Don’t even try and start that rediculous idea up again.

Circumcision was NOT the 4th commandment and it was not the Moral Law…what you people think is that when Jesus died He nailed the commandments to the cross and all that bull malarkish…huh uhz!!

That was the cerimonial laws…no more sacrificing etc etc etc.

Wake up people, once the Sunday law is passed it will be too late…probabtion will be closed just as it was in Noahs day when the the door of the Ark was closed up before it started to rain death upon the world…God will destroy you (you as in whoever gets that ol’ Mark Of the Pope…er I mean Satan, duh I mean both, I mean…the beast …

if you ignore His holy teahings.

He will have no chioce unless He truely knows you didn’t know and gives the wink 😉

Ah well…whatever…
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SDA2RC said:
You know… referring to your audience as “you people” is a fairly abrasive way to talk to people.
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Yeah that didn’t sound too good either

If it makes ya feel any better, you can call us the same anytime ya like. lol
 
goitalone said:
Yeah that didn’t sound too good either
If it makes ya feel any better, you can call us the same anytime ya like. lol
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I need to ask you a question, you seem to harp on the part about resting in the Sabbath commandment. Why not the part about working 6 days? Most of the SDA’s that I know, only work 5. Do you make sure that all SDA’s are working all six days and not slacking one extra day?

(Exo 20:9 NASB) "***Six days you shall labor ***and do all your work,
 
SDA2RC said:
I need to ask you a question, you seem to harp on the part about resting in the Sabbath commandment. Why not the part about working 6 days? Most of the SDA’s that I know, only work 5. Do you make sure that all SDA’s are working all six days and not slacking one extra day?

(Exo 20:9 NASB) "***Six days you shall labor ***and do all your work,
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And where is it specificed that WHICH day of the week is the Sabbath?
 
Years ago, I had thought about becoming an SDA. I sent away for a book advertised in National Sunday Law, and received E.G. Whites Great Controversy. I read it until I got to the part where she talked about William Miller (for those who are unaware, he propehesied the end of the world in 1843; the SDAs sprang from his followers, and they claim that 1843 was the year Jesus ‘began’ to clean the 'heavenly temple). At that point, SDA credibilility went right out the window, and the book followed not too long thereafter.

The problem with becoming an SDA would be that I would have to ignore a whole bunch of secular and religious history to swallow it. According to the SDAs, Constantine switched the day worship from Satuday to Sunday (which is bunk, but we’ll go along with it for the sake of argument). I have a couple problems with this:


  1. *]For the first three centuries of the Church, both its leaders and the laypeople gladly accepted a martyr’s crown rather than later their religious beliefs one iota. But Constantine shows up and says “I’ll make Christianity the official religion if you just change the day of the week” and the church says “okey-dokey?” If Sabbath observance as that important to the early Christians as the SDA claim, where was the outcry against this sacrilege?
    *]SDAs claim there was an “underground” church that “kept” the Sabbath. There is not a shred of evidence to this. Secular and Church history record a number of sects that broke away from the Church (Aryans, Monophysites, Nestorians, Sabellians, Montanists, etc., etc.) But I have never ready any where of any of these sects observing the Sabbath, or any group persecuted for observing it. The only two groups that Ms. White offers as “proof” are the Waldensians and Alibgensians, sects which didn’t even exist until a millenium after Constantine’s time (and the former group wasn’t anything recognizable as Christian). I can find NO evidence for any Church saying we MUST worship on the Sabbath until the 7th Day Baptists of the 19th century (which the SDA borrowed from them).
 
goitalone said:
Are you married mommy?
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Why do you need to know? That’s a personal question! I haven’t asked you a personal question.

Yes I did ask if Adventist require male-members to be circumcised? However I did not asked you if you were circumcised. I just want to point out to you goitalone; I do not know your gender. I do not know if you are man or women. To be honest, I don’t recall you saying.

I asked about circumcision because:
SDA2RC said:
There was no division in the Jewish law, they had one law, with 613 or so precepts, it was called the Mitzvah, it included the 10 commandments. The so called division of the law that the SDA’s have made is not found in scripture, it is simply made up in order to justify keeping only part of the law. Either the law was done away with, or it wasnt. You can’t pick and choose what you want to obey and what you dont. Oh… and did I mention that there is not one command or instruction given to a Christian in scripture or after, that instructs them to keep the Sabbath.
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(thanks, SDA2RC for already posting it)

As SDA2RC pointed out you can’t pick and choose what you want to obey and what you don’t.

However we know that Jesus came to fulfill. I hope you would agree that things “changed” because of Christ. It wasn’t done way with, it just that the old way was replaced with a new way. We are in a NEW covenant with the Lord. I hope you would agree that some of Scripture quotes Jesus’ exact words. Here are some passages that are Jesus direct words:

Mathew 19:18-19 He asked him, “Which ones?” And Jesus replied, " ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness honor your father and your mother’; and ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"

Mark 12:30-31 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these."

Lets see:
Commandments: You shall have no other Gods before me; You shall not make for yourself any carved image…. (see Mark 12:30-31)

Commandment: You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain… (see Mark 12:30-31)

Commandments: Honor your father and your mother; You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor; You shall not covet your neighbor’s house (see Mark 12:30-31; Mathew 19:18-19)

The way I see it Jesus never told people to keep the “Sabbath”. Maybe you can provide me with a direct quote of Jesus telling people to keep the “Sabbath”.

In this NEW covenant circumcision = Baptism. In this NEW covenant Sabbath = Lord’s Day.

This is my understanding scripture. Maybe you have a different understanding. If your understanding of scripture is different, then please telling me what makes your understanding right and my understanding wrong.
goitalone said:
…that didn’t sound right
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What didn’t sound right? Was it the question “Are you married mommy?” If didn’t sound right why did you ask it! Maybe you were making a remark about my screen name, or maybe you realized that it wasn’t a good question to ask…
 
goitalone said:
once the Sunday law is passed it will be too late…
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Is there a bill number to this “pending” law? Is there a congressman or Senator? Who do I call/write/email etc to express my view regarding this “pending” law? Where can I sign a petition telling my congressman/Senator to say “NO” to bill xxxx? Where is the “News” and “Prove” about this Law that according you will be passed? When is congress going to pass this law? Is it some time this year or next year? Is it going to be a part of the 2008 presidential platform? Whose presidential platform will it be on?

Again where can I find all this information: Please, Please tell me; tell all of us. We live in a democracy and we can let our voices be known. So please tell us where we can go to let our voices be known. As a Catholic that goes to church and worship GOD everyday, I would not want a crazy, :whacky: law to be passed. So please tell me who can I call to voice my opinion; who is running with this platform so I know not give them my vote, etc…

What about abortions? Commandment: Thou shall not kill…

Are Adventists trying to help change the already EXISTING laws about abortion? What is the Seventh-day Adventist Church “official” stance on abortion? Does The Seventh-day Adventist Church tell its members that abortion is WRONG; because of the commandment: Thou shall not kill? Or does the Seventh-day Adventist Church tell it’s members it a personal choice? Under what grounds can a woman have an abortion? What is the Seventh-day Adventist Church “official” stance on abortion?

Remember the commandment: Thou shall not kill…
 
I and others have asked him for a Bill No, Law No, etc.

He ignores the question when asked.
 
JoeyWarren said:
I and others have asked him for a Bill No, Law No, etc.

He ignores the question when asked.
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Yeah, I know… it’s not the first time I asked… However goitalone keepings say it’s going to ‘pass’ so there must be a pending bill… right?

In order for something to become law it has to be a bill first, right? I know that it has been many moons since I’ve been in a government class, but this is what I remember about laws:

It has to be a bill first; the bill has to be passed by congress and the senate…once the bill is passed it has to be signed into law by the president.

Is this right? Is there a government teacher out there, than can explain how things become laws? Please help this SAHM learn how things become a law here in the USA!
 
Sabbath. You will note that the Hebrew definition of Sabbath. The Seventh Day is not part of the definition at all.
H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth’
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath
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H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath’
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
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Also note from the Bible that there several sabbaths. One of these Sabbaths is one week in duration.
 
Mommyof02green said:
Yeah, I know… it’s not the first time I asked… However goitalone keepings say it’s going to ‘pass’ so there must be a pending bill… right?

In order for something to become law it has to be a bill first, right? I know that it has been many moons since I’ve been in a government class, but this is what I remember about laws:

It has to be a bill first; the bill has to be passed by congress and the senate…once the bill is passed it has to be signed into law by the president.

Is this right? Is there a government teacher out there, than can explain how things become laws? Please help this SAHM learn how things become a law here in the USA!
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No need to ask. Nothing has changed.
 
Mommyof02green said:
Yeah, I know… it’s not the first time I asked… However goitalone keepings say it’s going to ‘pass’ so there must be a pending bill… right?

In order for something to become law it has to be a bill first, right? I know that it has been many moons since I’ve been in a government class, but this is what I remember about laws:

It has to be a bill first; the bill has to be passed by congress and the senate…once the bill is passed it has to be signed into law by the president.

Is this right? Is there a government teacher out there, than can explain how things become laws? Please help this SAHM learn how things become a law here in the USA!
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Another thing, even if such a law were passed (which ain’t gonna happen) how would this affect the rest of the world? For this to be the true Mark of the Beast, it would have to be in affect worldwide. Again, not gonna happen. :whistle:

It just occured to me, maybe goitalone thinks the UN is going to pass such a law. Again, what is the resolution number? And if the UN did pass such a law, I’m sure the Jews and Arabs would have something to say about it.
 
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