National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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Oh…I fergot again…none of you care about the truth.
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goitalone,

The “truth” in you mind is a very subjective thing. You start with a conclusion and then go scratching under every stone and box looking for “proof” to justify your crazy, obsessive beliefs.

You are young, don’t worry, with prayer and age a little maturity will open your eyes (especially after 2008) and you will see what a fool you have been wasting so much time on so little of value.

Go outside. Be kind to strangers. Help at the Salvation Army or a Food Bank. Be a tutor to underachieving students at an elementary school: in these places you will find Christ.

This is what a Christian does, he does not sit around home and look for clues in a book he really does not understand and was never meant to be taken literally. Especially the Old Testament books that the Catholic Church assembled from Jewish scripture for its Bible.

Pax Christi
 
kellie said:
goitalone,
Are you, as a religious person, only worried about America?
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Since all these goofy offshoots of mainstream Protestantism originated in the States, their world view and justification for being derives from an inflated place of locale in God’s True Plan.

Pax Christi
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Mathew 6:25-34 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. (NIV)

I live only one day at a time!

Granted I vote and I’m careful for whom and what I vote for because those choices will influence the future. However, I also don’t worry about it until days before I vote.

Not months, not years, but days.

I don’t know what tomorrow with bring. It is NOT set in “stone”. Things change all the time.

Also I don’t know when my time here will be done. For all I know the Lord my call me tonight while I sleep or during my car drive to the store tomorrow morning, or He just might wait until I’m 50 or 60 or even 100.

I just don’t know when my time here will be done. So I don’t think about to far into the future. Only because all that planning, worrying may get me no where and it could have been a waist of my time.

I better things to do with my time. i.e. worshipping the Lord, serving the Lord and Loving the Lord.

After All when I face God: He will ask what did you do with your time?
I would hate to tell him I spent majority of it worrying about tomorrow. :eek:

It will be a glorious thing to tell him that I spent majority of my time loving Him, serving Him, Worshipping Him.
 
Mommyof02green said:
Mathew 6:25-34 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. (NIV)

I live only one day at a time!

Granted I vote and I’m careful for whom and what I vote for because those choices will influence the future. However, I also don’t worry about it until days before I vote.

Not months, not years, but days.

I don’t know what tomorrow with bring. It is NOT set in “stone”. Things change all the time.

Also I don’t know when my time here will be done. For all I know the Lord my call me tonight while I sleep or during my car drive to the store tomorrow morning, or He just might wait until I’m 50 or 60 or even 100.

I just don’t know when my time here will be done. So I don’t think about to far into the future. Only because all that planning, worrying may get me no where and it could have been a waist of my time.

I better things to do with my time. i.e. worshipping the Lord, serving the Lord and Loving the Lord.

After All when I face God: He will ask what did you do with your time?
I would hate to tell him I spent majority of it worrying about tomorrow. :eek:

It will be a glorious thing to tell him that I spent majority of my time loving Him, serving Him, Worshipping Him.
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:amen:

There are many Christians who spend so much time analysing Scripture and current events for clues to the Lord’s coming, that they forget our purpose here is to grow in faith, serve the Lord and help one another.
 
goitalone said:
Oh…I fergot again…none of you care about the truth.
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We care about the truth.

That’s why we hold to the Apostolic interpretation of scripture, instead of the interpretation of Ellen G White.

So, did you prove yet that the Sabbath must be Saturday, based on the fact that throughout human history there have been a multitude of calendars and there is no record of when was the original Sabbath day?

If the original Sabbath day is not known, then seven days after that cannot be known, and seven days after that…and seven days after that… (repeat for thousands of years until today)
 
How can we be sure that the Saturday of our modern week is the original Sabbath of the Scriptures?

It is commonly believed that many calendar changes have taken place since the time of Yeshua. This is not true. There has been only one change. This change, from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian Calendar, had no effect whatsoever upon the order of the days of the week. Julius Caesar instituted the Julian Calendar in 46 BC. The month of July was named in honor of Julius. When Augustus Caesar succeeded Julius, he also wanted a
month named after himself, so he gave the month following July (originally Sextilis) the name of August. Since August only had 30 days, and Augustus considered himself as important as Julius, whose month of July had 31 days, Augustus took one day from February and added it to August. The changes made by Augustus did not affect the order of the days of the week.

The Julian Calendar remained unchanged for 1600 years. It made provision for a year of 365.25 mean solar days. But the year actually consists of 365.242195 days. Because of this slight discrepancy, as the centuries passed, the seasons began to shift. By 1582 AD this discrepancy had grown to ten days. In that year Pope Gregory XIII established a new calendar which corrected the discrepancy, and is known as the Gregorian Calendar.

Pope Gregory XIII omitted ten days following October 4, 1582. What would have been October 5 became October 15.

Spain, Portugal, and Italy abopted the new Gregorian Calendar at once. France waited until December, and it adopted the change by calling the 10th of December the 20th of December. The Catholic states of Germany adopted the calendar in 1583. The Protestant states of Germany did not adopt the new calendar until 1700. About the same time, Netherlands, Sweden, and Denmark adopted the new calendar. England adopted the calendar in 1752.

The Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed. vol. 4, p. 988, tells us:

The week is a period of seven days, having no reference whatever to the celestial motions–a circumstance to which it owes its unalterable uniformity… It has been employed from time immemorial in almost all eastern countries.

The Hebrew people spoke of the days of the week by number rather than by name. The only day that had a name was the seventh day which was called Shabat, the Sabbath, or the rest day. The day prior to the Sabbath was designated the preparation day. On this day, preparations were made for the family so that the Sabbath might truly be a day of rest for the entire family. All the days were numbered and spoken of in reference to the Sabbath. The first day was “first toward the Sabbath.” The second day was "second toward the Sabbath, and so on. This was also the practice among the Syrians, Arabians, etc. In at least 108 different languages the name for the seventh day, corresponding to our “Saturday”, is a word meaning “rest day.”

Can we be sure that the Sabbath has never been lost since Creation? G-d sanctified the seventh day at Creation (Gen. 2:1-3). Even if the weekly Sabbath had been lost through the years, it was certainly re-established when G-d instructed the Israelites to not gather manna on Sabbath (Ex. 16:4). G-d later announced to the Israelites at Mount Sinai that keeping His Sabbath holy was part of His Ten Commandment law (Ex. 20:8-11). Since Mount Sinai the Jews have faithfully kept G-d’s Sabbath, despite captivity, persecution, and dispersion, right down to our current day. Orthodox Jews, the Catholic church, Protestants, historians, and astronomers all agree with each other that there is no evidence that time
has ever been lost. The same Sabbath that Yeshua and the apostles worshipped on (Luke 4:16,31; Acts 13:14-16,42,44) is the same seventh day Sabbath that Sabbath-keeping Christians worship on today.
 
drdude said:
Can we be sure that the Sabbath has never been lost since Creation? G-d sanctified the seventh day at Creation (Gen. 2:1-3). Even if the weekly Sabbath had been lost through the years, it was certainly re-established when G-d instructed the Israelites to not gather manna on Sabbath (Ex. 16:4). G-d later announced to the Israelites at Mount Sinai that keeping His Sabbath holy was part of His Ten Commandment law (Ex. 20:8-11). Since Mount Sinai the Jews have faithfully kept G-d’s Sabbath, despite captivity, persecution, and dispersion, right down to our current day. Orthodox Jews, the Catholic church, Protestants, historians, and astronomers all agree with each other that there is no evidence that time
has ever been lost. The same Sabbath that Yeshua and the apostles worshipped on (Luke 4:16,31; Acts 13:14-16,42,44) is the same seventh day Sabbath that Sabbath-keeping Christians worship on today.
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Good.

Then tell me, using the Gregorian Calendar, what was the date of the first Sabbath Day.

Then go every 7 days from that day until today and see that you still are on a Saturday.

Faster.

All you did was interpret the Bible (with no proof the Apostles held to this interpretation, mind you) and offer that up as proof that the original Sabbath day was Saturday.

As I wrote in an earlier article:
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BobCatholic:
My point is that the rule is every 7th day is to be kept holy - that’s what the scripture says. If it must be a particular day of the week, you must prove that exact day is the same from the time of Moses by showing a string of successive sabbaths kept from the time of Moses to today. No such historical record exists. Thus you believe Saturday=sabbath must be on no biblical basis. So if you are not certain that a certain day is the sabbth because nobody kept track of the day of the week, then we must start over, work 6 days, and rest on the 7th.

If you accept the day of the week to be Saturday to be your sabbath, you do so based on the Gregorian Calendar. You accept the authority of the Gregorian Calendar to set your moral code, and thus you accept the authority of the Catholic Church who created that Gregorian Calendar to set your morality.

Scary, huh?
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Yes just as the Little horn would change times and laws he also changed the Calendar. But as you may or should know that although days were added to months and some removed from Febuary for leap year, The week remains the same. It’s still Sunday through Saturday. Note that the Jews and early Christians did not call there days Sunday, Monday, etc they labeled them by number except for the Sabbath (shabbat) which means day of rest. So it would be 1, 2, 3. 4, 5, 6, Shabbat. Hmmmmmm nice try.

So now you show me in the Bible where God or Jesus instructs Christians to worship now on Sunday (Day of the Sun God)? Do you really think Jesus would come to earth and forget to tell us something that important? Let’s face it, you can not tell me that the first day of the week is changed, and you cannot back it up with the bible either. I can quote many scriptures that point to the Sabbath… Remember **THE **Sabbath, not Remember a Sabbath or Any Sabbath. Please don’t use Acts 20:7-12 to prove a point of the first day. Because if you knew history and the Bible you would know that each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown. (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting of Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again before his death (verse 25). That is why he preached so long til the end of the Sabbath. He was ready to depart on the morrow. The “breaking of bread” has no “holy day” signifigance whatsoever, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46).

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Doesn’t 1 Corithians 16:1, 2 speak of Sunday school offerings?

No, there is no reference here to a public meeting. Teh money was to be laid aside privately at home. Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their poverty stricken bretheren in Jerusalem (Romans 15:26-28). These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning (which was the time they paid bills and settled accounts), after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately or , as La Santa Biblia (a Spanish Translation) says, “at home.” Notice also that there is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day. In fact, the Bible nowhere commands or even suggests Sundaykeeping.

Reliable encyclopedias and reference books make it clear that our seventh day is the same one that Jesus kept holy. It is a simple matter of research. So please to all who read this post, go and do your research and see the truth that the Bible teaches you.
 
But isn’t John 20:19 the record of the disciples instituting Sundaykeeping in honor of the resurrection?

On the contrary, the disciples at this time did not believe that the resurrection had taken place (Mark 16:14). They had met there “for fear of the Jews” and had the doors bolted. When Jesus appeared in their midst, He rebuked them “because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.” There is no implication that they counted Sunday as a holy day. Only eight texts in the New Testament mention the first day of the week; none of them imply that it is holy.

Doesn’t Colossians 2:14-17 do away with the seventh-day Sabbath?

Not at all. It refers only to the sabbaths which were “a shadow of things to come” and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or “beside the sabbaths of the Lord” (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. God’s seventh-day Sabbath was made before sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That’s why Colossians chapter 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were “a shadow.” These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.

According to Romans 14:5, the day we keep is a matter of personal opinion, isn’t it?

Notice that the whole chapter is on judging one another (Verses 4, 10, 13). The issue here is not over the seventh-day Sabbath, which was a part of the great moral law, but over the yearly feast days of the ceremonial law. Jewish Christians were judging Gentile Christians for not observing them. Paul is simply saying, “Don’t judge each other. That ceremonial law is no longer binding.”
 
But isn’t the Sabbath for the Jews only?
Mark 2:27

No. Jesus said, “The sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. It is not for the Jews only, but for mankind–all men and women everywhere. The Jewish nation did not even exist until 2,500 years after the Sabbath was made.
 
Did the Gentiles also worship on Sabbath?

God commanded it:
“Blessed is the man … that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it.” “Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, … every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.” Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7, emphasis added.

Apostles taught it:
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.” “And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.” Acts 13:42, 44, emphasis added. “And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.” Acts 18:4.
The apostles taught the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath holy.

Answer: The apostles in the early New Testament church not only obeyed God’s Sabbath command, but they also taught the converted Gentiles to worship on Sabbath. Never once do they refer to Sunday as a holy day.
 
Did the apostles keep the Sabbath?

Paul and the other apostles kept God’s seventh-day Sabbath holy.
“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Acts 17:2. “Paul and his company … went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.” Acts 13:13, 14. “And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.” Acts 16:13. “And he [Paul] reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.” Acts 18:4.

Answer: Yes, the book of Acts makes it clear that Paul and the early church kept the Sabbath. Also note that Paul reasoned with the Greeks on Sabbath as well…Are Greeks Jews? Hmmmmm
 
But wasn’t the Sabbath changed to Sunday at Christ’s death or resurrection?

The Sabbath was not changed to Sunday at the time of Jesus’ resurrection.

Answer: No, there is not the remotest hint that the Sabbath was changed at Christ’s death or resurrection. The Bible teaches just the opposite. Please carefully review the following evidence:

A. God blessed the Sabbath.
“The Lord blessed the sabbath day and hollowed it.” Exodus 20:11. “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.” Genesis 2:3.

B. Christ expected His people to be still keeping the Sabbath in A.D. 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed.
Knowing full well that Jerusalem would be destroyed by Rome in A.D. 70, Jesus warned His followers of that time, saying, “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day.” Matthew 24:20, emphasis added. Jesus made it clear that He intended for the Sabbath to be kept even 40 years after His resurrection. In fact, there is no intimation anywhere in the Scriptures that Jesus, His Father, or the apostles ever (at any time, under any circumstances) changed the holy seventh-day Sabbath to any other day.

C. The women who came to anoint Christ’s dead body kept the Sabbath. Jesus died on “the day before the sabbath” (Mark 15:37, 42), which is now called Good Friday.
The women prepared spices and ointments to anoint His body, then “rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56. Only “when the sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1) did the women come “the first day of the week” (Mark 16:2) to continue their sad work. They found “Jesus was risen early the first day of the week” (verse 9), commonly called Easter Sunday. Please note that the Sabbath “according to the commandment” was the day preceding Easter Sunday, which we now call Saturday.

D. Christ’s follower, Luke, wrote two books of the Bible–Luke and Acts. He says that in the book of Luke he wrote about “all” of Jesus’ teachings (Acts 1:1-3). But he never wrote about Sundaykeeping or a change of the Sabbath.
 
Some people say the Sabbath will be kept in God’s new earth. Is this correct?

Everybody in God’s eternal kingdom will keep the Sabbath holy.
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22, 23.

Answer: Yes, the Bible says the saved people of all ages will keep the Sabbath in the new earth.
 
But isn’t Sunday the Lord’s day?

The Lord’s day is Sabbath, not Sunday.
“Call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord.” Isaiah 58:13. “For the son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.” Matthew 12:8.

Answer: The Bible speaks of the “Lord’s day” in Revelation 1:10, so the Lord does have a special day. But no verse of Scripture refers to Sunday as the Lord’s day. Rather, the Bible plainly identifies Sabbath as the Lord’s day. The only day ever blessed by the Lord or claimed by Him as His holy day is the seventh-day Sabbath.

So show me in the Bible where Sabbath wasn’t Saturday (Shabbat)? Show me where the Calendars changed the days of the week regardless of days added or removed, and I will convert to Catholic again.
 
Shouldn’t I keep Sunday in honor of Christ’s resurrection?

Jesus instituted baptism–not Sunday keeping–in honor of His resurrection.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Romans 6:3-6.

Answer: No! No more than you would keep Friday in honor of the crucifixion. Christ gave the ordinance of baptism in honor of His death, burial, and resurrection. The Bible never suggests Sundaykeeping in honor of the resurrection (or for any other reason, for that matter). We honor Christ by obeying Him (John 14:15)–not by substituting man-made requirements in place of His.
  1. Well, if Sundaykeeping isn’t in the Bible, whose idea was it anyway?
Misguided men had the audacity to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath of God’s law.
“And he shall think to change the times and the law.” Daniel 7:25, RSV.* “Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:6, 9. “Her priests have violated my law.” “And her prophets have daubed them with untempered mortar, … saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.” Ezekiel 22:26, 28.

Answer: Misguided men of long years past announced that God’s holy day was changed from Sabbath to Sunday. God predicted it would happen, and it did. This error was passed on to our unsuspecting generation as gospel fact. Sundaykeeping is a tradition of uninspired men and breaks God’s law, which commands Sabbathkeeping. Only God can make a day holy. God blessed the Sabbath, and when God blesses, no man can “reverse it.” Numbers 23:20.
 
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