National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[drdude]

How important is Sabbathkeeping?

Breaking any commandment of God’s law is sin.
“Sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4. “The wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23. “Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10. “Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps.” 1 Peter 2:21. “He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” Hebrews 5:9.

Answer: It is a matter of life and death. Sabbathkeeping is enjoined in the fourth commandment of God’s law. The deliberate breaking of any one of the Ten Commandments is a sin. Christians will gladly follow Christ’s example of Sabbathkeeping. Our only safety is to diligently study the Bible, “rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15. We must have positive Scripture support for every Christian practice we follow.

 

[drdude]

How does God feel about religious leaders who ignore the Sabbath?

God will pour out His indignation upon religious leaders who knowingly ignore His Sabbath.
“Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane … and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.” “Therefore have I poured out my indignation upon them.” Ezekiel 22:26, 31.

Answer: In hiding their eyes from God’s true Sabbath, religious leaders offend the God of heaven. God promises punishment for such false shepherds. Millions have been misled on this matter. God cannot treat it lightly. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for pretending to love God while making void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition (Mark 7:7-13).

 

[drdude]

Does Sabbathkeeping really affect me personally?

Everyone who enters heaven and eats from the tree of life will keep God’s Sabbath holy.
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15. “So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” Romans 14:12. “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” James 4:17. “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” Revelation 22:14. “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God.” Revelation 14:12.

Answer: Yes, by all means, the Sabbath is your Sabbath. God made it for you, and if you love Him you will keep it, because it is one of His commandments. Love without commandment-keeping is no love at all (1 John 2:4). You must make a decision. You cannot avoid it. No one can excuse you. You yourself will answer before God on this most important matter. God asks you to love and obey Him now!

 

[drdude]

I am willing to follow Jesus’ example of Sabbathkeeping.

Answer:
Yes
No

I for sure will follow Jesus. Hope you will too.

God Bless!

 

[jsenner]

I really like how Irenaeus put it, in “The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching”.

Wherefore also we need not the Law as a tutor. Behold, with the Father we speak, and in His presence we stand, being children in malice, and grown strong in all righteousness and soberness. For no longer shall the Law say, Do not commit adultery, to him who has no desire at all for another’s wife; and Thou shalt not kill, to him who has put away from himself all anger and enmity; (and) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s field or ox or ***, to those who have no care at all for earthly things, but store up the heavenly fruits: nor An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, to him who counts no man his enemy, but all men his neighbors, and therefore cannot stretch out his hand at all for vengeance. It will not require tithes of him who consecrates all his possessions to God, leaving father and mother and all his kindred, and following the Word of God. And there will be no command to remain idle for one day of rest, to him who perpetually keeps sabbath, that is to say, who in the temple of God, which is man’s body, does service to God, and in every hour works righteousness. For I desire mercy, He saith, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. But the wicked that sacrificeth to me a calf is as if he should kill a dog; and that offereth fine flour, as though (he offered) swine’s blood. But whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. And there is none other name of the Lord given under heaven whereby men are saved, save that of God, which is Jesus Christ the Son of God, to which also the demons are subject and evil spirits and all apostate energies.

Jeremiah

 

[adventistnomore]

Will the feast days be kept on the New Earth?

Answer:

Yes. “Then the LORD, my God, shall come, and all his holy ones with him… There shall be one continuous day, known to the LORD, not day and night, for in the evening time there shall be light… The LORD shall become king over the whole earth; on that day the LORD shall be the only one, and his name the only one… All who are left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall come up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the feast of Booths.” (Zech 14:7,9,16)

Drdude, do you keep the Feast of Booths holy?

 

[drdude]

Will the feast days be kept on the New Earth?

Answer:

Yes. “Then the LORD, my God, shall come, and all his holy ones with him… There shall be one continuous day, known to the LORD, not day and night, for in the evening time there shall be light… The LORD shall become king over the whole earth; on that day the LORD shall be the only one, and his name the only one… All who are left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall come up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the feast of Booths.” (Zech 14:7,9,16)

Drdude, do you keep the Feast of Booths holy?

Do the 10 commandments say Remember the Feast of Booths? No I don’t think so… The 10 commandments are still valid for without them there is no knowledge of sin. 1-4 show us how to love God, 5-10 show us how to love our neighbors. Feasts where abolished and nailed to the cross. The 10 commandments where not.

 

[drdude]

I really like how Irenaeus put it, in “The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching”.

Jeremiah

Does the bible say that we no longer need the law?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I think I will trust what the bible tells me and not Irenaeus

 

[drdude]

1Th 2:13 For this cause, also thank we God without ceasing, because,when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[Mommyof02green]

DrDude-

The last few posting you have provided scripture quotes along with “your” interpretation on what it means.

I see scripture different from you. “My” interpretation on some of the verses you have quoted is different from the interpretation that you gave.

What makes “your” interpretations “valid” and “my” interpretations “invalid”?

Thanks.

 

[drdude]

DrDude-

The last few posting you have provided scripture quotes along with “your” interpretation on what it means.

I see scripture different from you. “My” interpretation on some of the verses you have quoted is different from the interpretation that you gave.

What makes “your” interpretations “valid” and “my” interpretations “invalid”?

Thanks.

Please by all means share with me your interpretations. Maybe your interpretations are right. The Bible should interpret itself. anyone who wishes to show me where they think my intrepretation are wrong or just share yours, than post.

 

[Mommyof02green]

DrDude-

Most of what you quoted has to do with the “Sabbath”…

First before I open scripture I say a prayer asking the Holy Spirit to guide me.

Then I read verses like 1 Corinthians 16:2 and Act 20:6-8 and see that the Apostles worship on Sunday.

Many would agree that we are in a “New” Covenant with the Lord.
Many would agree that Baptism is now the “new” circumcision in the “new” covenant with the Lord. Many would agree that Sunday is now the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

I do not know your opinion on Baptism being the “new” circumcision in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

However, I already know based on what I’ve read that you do not agree with Sunday being the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

So please answer the question:
What makes your interpretation of Scripture “valid” and mine “invalid”?

 

[drdude]

DrDude-

Most of what you quoted has to do with the “Sabbath”…

First before I open scripture I say a prayer asking the Holy Spirit to guide me. Amen to that, I also pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me

Then I read verses like 1 Corinthians 16:2 and Act 20:6-8 and see that the Apostles worship on Sunday.

Many would agree that we are in a “New” Covenant with the Lord.
Many would agree that Baptism is now the “new” circumcision in the “new” covenant with the Lord. Many would agree that Sunday is now the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

I would be cautious to follow MANY

I do not know your opinion on Baptism being the “new” circumcision in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

Again
Jesus instituted baptism–not Sunday keeping–in honor of His resurrection.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Romans 6:3-6.

Answer: No! No more than you would keep Friday in honor of the crucifixion. Christ gave the ordinance of baptism in honor of His death, burial, and resurrection. The Bible never suggests Sundaykeeping in honor of the resurrection (or for any other reason, for that matter). We honor Christ by obeying Him (John 14:15)–not by substituting man-made requirements in place of His.

However, I already know based on what I’ve read that you do not agree with Sunday being the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

So please answer the question:
What makes your interpretation of Scripture “valid” and mine “invalid”?

σάββατον
sabbaton
sab’-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se’nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

a) The Aramaic word for Sabbath is “sabbata” (singular).
b) This was adopted into Greek so that “sabbata” (singular in meaning) in Greek also means “Sabbath”.
c) Many Greeks did not understand the origin of the word, and to them “sabbata” sounded like the plural of an imaginary Greek word “sabbaton”, so they started using the word “sabbaton” (neuter, singular) to mean “Sabbath”, so both “sabbata” and “sabbaton” meant “sabbath”.
d) When Greeks wanted to say “sabbaths”, they took the plural of “sabbaton”, which is “sabbata” (neuter plural).
e) So “sabbata” means both “sabbath” and “sabbaths”!
noun: “late in the day” or “at evening”

First day of the Week is translated wrong into English.

f) The concept of “week” was often represented in both Hebrew and Greek by the word “sabbath” which was the most distinctive feature of the week, and which is also, in Hebrew, similar to the word for “seven”. Thus the term “Sabbaton” can mean “week”, e.g., “fast twice in the week” (Luke 18:12)

Also notice in Acts 20:6-11 specifically Acts 20:8 There were many lights in the upper chamber. Many lights during the day? This is clearly speaking of Paul preaching on Sabbath and continuing on until sunset which would be Sunday since Sabbath ends on Saturday at sundown.

So again the Bible interprets itself. These interpretations I am giving you are the Bible, nothing I came up with

 

[adventistnomore]

Do the 10 commandments say Remember the Feast of Booths? No I don’t think so… The 10 commandments are still valid for without them there is no knowledge of sin. 1-4 show us how to love God, 5-10 show us how to love our neighbors. Feasts where abolished and nailed to the cross. The 10 commandments where not.

But the laws against unclean foods, bestiality, and homosexuality are also not in the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments wasn’t the only part of the Law that survived into the New Covenant age. Why then do you not keep the Feast of Booths, since the Bible says it will be observed on the New Earth?

 

[drdude]

I must state in regard to the Sabbath/Sunday issue. OK so now Jesus is our Sabbath (rest) correct? So we no longer have to follow the 4th commandment to REMEMBER THE SABBATH to Keep it Holy, etc. Does that mean we can now murder, commit adultry, create graven images and bow to them, not love God and God only, Dishonor our parents, covet our neighbors house, car, wife, etc.

Let’s face it! It really makes no sense that one out of the 10 commandments no longer apply but the other’s remain. So did Jesus nail the 10 commandments to the cross? The other (Mosaic laws) handwritten ordanances, statutes have been. They were used as the atonement for our sins REVEALED to us by the 10 commandments. They were a shadow of Christ which fullfilled (Filled Full) them and nailed them to the cross. Where were the 10 commandments placed? Inside the Ark which was under the Mercy Seat, a model of God’s throan in Heaven. Where were the Mosaic laws placed? On the right side of the Ark, a shadow of Christ who sits at the right side of God’s throan in Heaven. Do you see the picture clearly on that? The 10 commandments represent God’s character. God created the Heavens and the Earth and all that is in them and rested on the 7th day. He Blessed the 7th day and Sanctified (The seperate, makey Holy) it. He rested from his work, not because he was tired but to appreciate what he has done and the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. Hence we have the Sabbath to appreciate God and what he has done for us and created us and for us. Denying The Sabbath 7th day denies God of creation and his work. Do you believe God created the world in 6 literal days and rested on the 7th as stated in Genesis? God’s character never changes he is infallible. The 10 commandments which are a representation of his character are infallible and will not changer either.

So why put up such a big fight if a day does no longer matter anymore since we rest eternally in Jesus now? Why not put God first and worship him on Saturday? What would you have to lose by giving up Sunday than? You would have allot to lose if you give up Saturday Sabbath… I for one will not risk my salvation for a few verses taken out of context. No where in the Bible does is state Sunday as the Sabbath now or the 10 commandments being void. Someone please show me where in the Bible Jesus or God tell us that the Sabbath is no longer the 7th day. The bible shows enough proof that the Sabbath remains the 7th day. The Word is all we have to instruct us, to correct us, for reproof. So I would think changing of Sabbaths would have to be more clearly defined in the NT if it really happened. Jesus reclarifies the commandments to all and goes into more detail. And yet he failed to mention that the Sabbath was changing…hmmmm

 

[JoeyWarren]

Also notice in Acts 20:6-11 specifically Acts 20:8 There were many lights in the upper chamber. Many lights during the day? This is clearly speaking of Paul preaching on Sabbath and continuing on until sunset which would be Sunday since Sabbath ends on Saturday at sundown.

You’re argument falls apart since the preceeding verse says they met on the FIRST day.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

 

[drdude]

But the laws against unclean foods, bestiality, and homosexuality are also not in the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments wasn’t the only part of the Law that survived into the New Covenant age. Why then do you not keep the Feast of Booths, since the Bible says it will be observed on the New Earth?

Because the 10 commandments represent God’s character. They are placed in the Ark under the mercy seat which was part of the Tabernacle as a model of Heaven and our plan for our salvation.

Also are we on the New Earth now? Does the new testament speak of the Feast of Tabernacle (Booths) being observed by the Apostles after Christ? No it doesn’t! Does the New Testament speak of the Apostles observing the Sabbath and teaching Gentiles on Sabbath after Christ? Why yes it does!

Does the old testament speak of unclean foods, homosexuality and beastiality before the 10 commandments? Yes it does. All of which are in Genesis. Where there Jews during Noah’s day? No there weren’t!

 

[drdude]

You’re argument falls apart since the preceeding verse says they met on the FIRST day.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

No it does not since you must not have looked up the Greek word for “week”. Go ahead and look it up online. The Jews and early Christians Break Bread after the Sabbath day towards the end or in the evening part (sundown) of Sunday. We Sabbatarians also do the same, after service and vespers we usually do a pot luck. And yes sometimes someone will preach during our “Breaking Bread” as they called it back then. Do Sunday keepers only preach on Sunday? The Sabbath is not only for preaching, it’s for a rememberance of creation and what God has given us. For example after church we sometimes go hiking in Nature and appreciate God’s creation and say prayers. I already know what most Sunday keepers do after church. (Notice I said most so please don’t think I am saying all) They go out to restaurants and spend money, they go shopping, they go watch football, etc. Hardly a day of worship to God, just a few hours seems like. Yes we should all worship God and give thanks everyday as I do as well. But we must keep the Sabbath as a seperate special day that is devoted to God entirely. It’s for our benefit as well, as we get physical rest and spiritual rest from this fast paced secular world.

 

[Mommyof02green]

DrDude-

In all do respect you did not answer my question.

What make “your” interpretation of Scripture “valid” and mine “invalid”?

Acts 20: 6-8 states that they gathered on the FIRST DAY… you are “adding” to the verse by giving us your “reasoning” for the lights being there. You are adding your interpretation.

Acts 20:7-8 reads: On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting.

Again Act 20:7 reads, “On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Acts 20:7 clearly states that they gathered on the first day not on the Sabbath. That is why when I read Acts 20:7 I clearly see that the Apostles worshipped on Sundays.

Earlier I wrote:

Many would agree that we are in a “New” Covenant with the Lord.
Many would agree that Baptism is now the “new” circumcision in the “new” covenant with the Lord. Many would agree that Sunday is now the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

And you DrDude right away responded with:

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

I would be cautious to follow MANY

Why respond with such are reply? Is it to automatically discredit my opinions, by suggesting that I’m on the “wide” road and therefore I will not enter into life?

Earlier I could have written “some” people would agree that we are in a “New” Covenant with the Lord. “Some” would agree that Baptism is now the “new” circumcision” in the “new” covenant with the Lord. “Some” would agree that Sunday is now the “new” Sabbath in the “new” covenant with the Lord.

It would not have changed what I said, which is simply some look at scripture and see these things and others look at scripture and do not see these things. Clearly both people cannot be “right”.

So once again please answer the question:

What make “your” interpretation of Scripture “valid” and mine “invalid”?

 

[JoeyWarren]

No it does not since you must not have looked up the Greek word for “week”. Go ahead and look it up online. The Jews and early Christians Break Bread after the Sabbath day towards the end or in the evening part (sundown) of Sunday. We Sabbatarians also do the same, after service and vespers we usually do a pot luck. And yes sometimes someone will preach during our “Breaking Bread” as they called it back then. Do Sunday keepers only preach on Sunday? The Sabbath is not only for preaching, it’s for a rememberance of creation and what God has given us. For example after church we sometimes go hiking in Nature and appreciate God’s creation and say prayers. I already know what most Sunday keepers do after church. (Notice I said most so please don’t think I am saying all) They go out to restaurants and spend money, they go shopping, they go watch football, etc. Hardly a day of worship to God, just a few hours seems like. Yes we should all worship God and give thanks everyday as I do as well. But we must keep the Sabbath as a seperate special day that is devoted to God entirely. It’s for our benefit as well, as we get physical rest and spiritual rest from this fast paced secular world.

Maybe this first will clarify things a bit:

Mat 28:1 In the end(3796) of the sabbath,4521 as it began to dawn2020 toward1519 the first3391 day of the week,4521 came2064 Mary3137 Magdalene3094 and2532 the3588 other243 Mary3137 to see2334 the3588 sepulcher.5028

Mat 28:1 And in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.

here are more verses that use the same phrases as you see in Acts:

Mar 16:2 And2532 very3029 early in the morning4404 the3588 first3391 day of the3588 week,4521 they came2064 unto1909 the3588 sepulcher3419 at the rising393 of the3588 sun.2246

Mar 16:9 Now1161 when Jesus was risen450 early4404 the first4413 day of the week,4521 he appeared5316 first4412 to Mary3137 Magdalene,3094 out of575 whom3739 he had cast1544 seven2033 devils.1140

Here are all the verses that use 4521

Mat_12:1; Mat_12:2; Mat_12:5; Mat_12:8; Mat_12:10; Mat_12:11; Mat_12:12; Mat_24:20; Mat_28:1; Mar_1:21; Mar_2:23; Mar_2:24; Mar_2:27; Mar_2:28; Mar_3:2; Mar_3:4; Mar_6:2; Mar_16:1; Mar_16:2; Mar_16:9; Luk_4:16; Luk_4:31; Luk_6:1; Luk_6:2; Luk_6:5; Luk_6:6; Luk_6:7; Luk_6:9; Luk_13:10; Luk_13:14; Luk_13:15; Luk_13:16; Luk_14:1; Luk_14:3; Luk_14:5; Luk_18:12; Luk_23:54; Luk_23:56; Luk_24:1; Joh_5:9; Joh_5:10; Joh_5:16; Joh_5:18; Joh_7:22; Joh_7:23; Joh_9:14; Joh_9:16; Joh_19:31; Joh_20:1; Joh_20:19; Act_1:12; Act_13:14; Act_13:27; Act_13:42; Act_13:44; Act_15:21; Act_16:13; Act_17:2; Act_18:4; Act_20:7; 1Co_16:2; Col_2:16;

The Jews have several types of Sabbaths.

1. The Sabbath Day
2. The Sabbath Week
3. The Sabbath Year
4. and some others

The NT uses only the first two. When “Sabbath” is used it refers to the Sabbath Day. When it uses the “day of the week” it refers to a Week where every day in the week is a Sabbath.