National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[SDA2RC]

I feel I have made my points clear enough…I really do have to get back to work on my forum so I better get going.

Blessings to all of you.

TTYL

As I hope we have made ours… good luck on your forum… let us know when it is ready…

 

[MarysRoses]

Yes and no…yes I have been a believer of it all…and no, I strayed most of my life and was a drunken cigarette smoking idiot most of my life tho…****.I don’t think I am going to make it to Heaven be perfectly honest with you…****still having a hard time quitting smoking among a ton of other issues…I have been really sick since April due to alcohol and smoking…have had severe acid reflux after I started drinking at age 20 (been on prilosec ever since) and its gotten so bad I cannot live without two doses of prilosec a day and thats not working all that great anymore like it used to…can’t eat anything hardly anymore.

So that’s a little about myself…now ya know

That is the saddest, saddest thing about Adventism. Ellen G. White said maybe 1 in 20 of the most faithfully practicing adventists would actually make it to heaven. Most will fall by the way. While Catholics do not teach an easy, once saved always saved, theology, we can have hope that we will reach heaven if we are faithful.

I will pray for you.

MarysRoses

 

[RNRobert]

Sunday worship was instituted by Constantine as a CHRISTIAN DAY OF
WORSHIP FOR THE ENTIRE ROMAN EMPIRE, following his Christianizing of
the entire Roman Empire.

Sorry, that’s not true. :nope:

I mentioned a quote from St Ignatius of Antioch that Christians worshipped on the first day of the week instead of the Jewish Sabbath. Another member, Kleary, listed him and a long list of early Christian writings that said the same thing (post #128). Yet, you’ve made no attempt to refute them.

Please explain to me why the Church, after resisting the Roman Empire for three centuries, would suddenly roll over and play dead just because Constantine made Christianity the official religion.

Protestant scholarship has spared no artifice, sensing no shame in its unscholarly twisting of ancient records, quoting out of time and
context, in fabricating a Sola Scriptura case for Apostolic
Sundaykeeping.

Baloney. Protestants rejected many Catholic teachings. If Sunday worship was a Catholic invention, why bother keeping it? To the best of my knowledge, neither the Waldensians nor Albigensians, which E.G. White trumpets as ‘true Christians’ worshipped on the Sabbath. As far as I know, sabbath keeping by Christian groups didn’t occur until the 19th century, when the 7th Day Baptists and SDAs appeared. Jesus said that the gates of hell would never prevail against his Church.

Some Scriptural evidence for first day of the week worship:

Acts 20:7 “On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread…”

The ‘breaking of the bread’ refers to the Lord’s Supper (See Acts 2:42). If they were worshipping on the Sabbath, why hold the Lord’s Supper the day after?

1st Cor 16: 1-2 “Now, in regard to the collection for the holy ones, you should also do as I ordered the churches of Galatia. On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come.”

If they were worshipping on the Sabbath, why get together on the first day of the week? I’m sure in SDA churches, if they are taking up a collection of some kind, they do it on the Sabbath when they are in church, not the next day. Another thing, if the first day of the week is not the day of worship, why bother mentioning it? Nowhere do the Scriptures mention the 2nd day of the week, 3rd day, etc. There must be a specific reason.

Here’s another Scripture question: In Revelation 1:10, John tells us he was in the Spirit on the ‘Lord’s Day.’ If it was the Sabbath, why didn’t he say so? I’ve heard that the SDA is coming out with their own translation which replaces ‘Lord’s Day’ with ‘Sabbath’ in order to fit their interpretation.

 

[Pug]

I feel I have made my points clear enough…I really do have to get back to work on my forum so I better get going.

Blessings to all of you.

TTYL

Good luck with your creative work on your forum. Did you see my question above about do SDA observe the Sabbath by things like not travelling very far? I know Jewish people used to have restrictions like that (some still do), so I thought the SDA might as well?

In case my question is obscure, in the NT there is the phrase, “a Sabbath day’s journey,” that’s what I mean. (the mount of Olivet is that far from Jerusalem, I think).

Also, is the adventist.org the best place to find the answer to a question like that from an SDA perspective?

 

[RNRobert]

But still dead as they know nothing as Jesus also said.

Jesus didn’t say that. That is from Ecclesiates, which you quoted from. It was also written before the fulness of revelation.

Jesus told the good thief **THIS DAY **you will be with me in paradise, not some day at the resurrection.

Also, Chapter 6, verse 9-10 of the book of Revelation tells of the martyrs under the heavenly altar asking how long before they would be avenged. If souls are ‘asleep’ then how could they ask this question?

 

[Mommyof02green]

FYI: The post was hard for me to read and catch that you even had something to say… this is because YOUR words are within the “quotes”… (See original post)

I was however able to post your words here:

Because the SDA teachings way is a much clearer path to me personally and makes more sense than any other teaching and for me it’s easy to see the twisted lies of Satan trying his best to destroy God’s Word

First let me say, I wasn’t making clams to whose religion was the “True” religion, or who has the “right” believes.

I was simply saying I DO NOT read the comments that ex-Catholics make about Catholicism. This is because 98% of the time what ex-Catholics have to say about Catholicism is loaded with negativity and falsehoods. I’m sure you can relate to those that are ex-Adventist. It is almost like couples that break-up. 98% of the time people never have anything “nice” to say about the ex; and many times they lie about the ex to make them feel or look better.

Is it your opinion that majority of the time that ex-Adventist are negative towards your religion and at times paint falsehoods about your religion?

If you say yes, then you should be able to understand why I don’t read what ex-Catholics have to say about Catholicism.

That is all that I was trying to say before: I just don’t give ex-Catholics credit when they talk about Catholicism. I’m sure you do the same when it comes to ex-Adventist and when ex-Adventist talk about your religion. Is this true for you? Yes or No

As for your reply:

Because the SDA teachings way is a much clearer path to me personally and makes more sense than any other teaching and for me it’s easy to see the twisted lies of Satan trying his best to destroy God’s Word

Well, I can say the EXACT same thing when it comes to Catholicism.
[SIGN]:bible1: For me, Catholicism is a much more clearer path.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:For me, Catholicism teachings make more sense then any other teachings.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:Because of Catholicism, I can see the twisted lies of Satan.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:Because of Catholicism I can see how Satan TRIES to twist and destroy the Word of God.[/SIGN]

 

[goitalone]

FYI: The post was hard for me to read and catch that you even had something to say… this is because YOUR words are within the “quotes”… (See original post)

I was however able to post your words here:

First let me say, I wasn’t making clams to whose religion was the “True” religion, or who has the “right” believes.

I was simply saying I DO NOT read the comments that ex-Catholics make about Catholicism. This is because 98% of the time what ex-Catholics have to say about Catholicism is loaded with negativity and falsehoods. I’m sure you can relate to those that are ex-Adventist. It is almost like couples that break-up. 98% of the time people never have anything “nice” to say about the ex; and many times they lie about the ex to make them feel or look better.

Is it your opinion that majority of the time that ex-Adventist are negative towards your religion and at times paint falsehoods about your religion?

If you say yes, then you should be able to understand why I don’t read what ex-Catholics have to say about Catholicism.

That is all that I was trying to say before: I just don’t give ex-Catholics credit when they talk about Catholicism. I’m sure you do the same when it comes to ex-Adventist and when ex-Adventist talk about your religion. Is this true for you? Yes or No

As for your reply:

Well, I can say the EXACT same thing when it comes to Catholicism.
[SIGN]:bible1: For me, Catholicism is a much more clearer path.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:For me, Catholicism teachings make more sense then any other teachings.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:Because of Catholicism, I can see the twisted lies of Satan.[/SIGN]
[SIGN]:bible1:Because of Catholicism I can see how Satan TRIES to twist and destroy the Word of God.[/SIGN]

Sad thing is…one of our teachings are wrong.

Oh, I just now saw that was all yer post lol…just now read the top part…Um…well a great deal of the SDA church is made up of other religions disatisfied with the teachings for whatever reasons.

To me it’s not as much of the name, but what you believe to see the most truth in…but thats everyone I guess too.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

In 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot. He survived. After recovering, he went to visit the would-be assassin in jail to let him know he was forgiven.

That doesn’t sound beast-like to me.

The SDA need to rethink thier theology a bit!

 

[SAHM02]

Sad thing is…one of our teachings are wrong.

You just confessed that one of YOUR church teachings are wrong. Why do you stay if you know YOUR church has at least one wrong teaching?

To me it’s not as much of the name, but what you believe to see the most truth in…but thats everyone I guess too.

I know some Catholics and they are Catholic because they believe the Catholic Church to have the most truth in. I know some Lutherans and they say the same thing about the Lutheran Church. People belong to the churches they belong to because to them it’s the church that has the “most” Truth in them. It all confuses me.

It seems that everyone claims that his or her church is the church that has the “most” truth. Do you ever fever that you are with the wrong church? Meaning what if the Lutherans are right and you are wrong? Or what if the Catholics are right and you are wrong? Or what if ________ are right and you are wrong? (You can insert whatever religion sect that you can think of seeing they all clam to teach or have the “most” truth.)

 

[JoeyWarren]

Let’s get back to the original post. When is this “Nation Sunday Law” is to take affect. The title indicates that the President has already signed this Bill into Law and it has taken affect.

Can you give me some details on this Law? It’s Bill number? It’s Law number?

And show where this is in Prophecy of Scripture. I can’t seem to find it.

 

[SAHM02]

Let’s get back to the original post. When is this “Nation Sunday Law” is to take affect. The title indicates that the President has already signed this Bill into Law and it has taken affect.

Can you give me some details on this Law? It’s Bill number? It’s Law number?

And show where this is in Prophecy of Scripture. I can’t seem to find it.

I was thinking the same thing…

 

[jediliz]

You know, I had a job at the public library back in 1998. I HAD to work Saturday and Sunday. I did not want to work on Sunday since it was MY Sabbath. Instead I was stuck at the library putting away books. Or helping people find books. Believe me, that was one of the reasons I quit my job - I hated working every Sunday.

And this law would NEVER happen in the USA. Iraq? maybe Egypt? Maybe. (it wouldn’t be Sunday, it would be whatever day Muslims worship). USA? NEVER.

Oh, and did you know this about the craft store ‘Hobby Lobby’? They are closed EVERY sunday so their employees can have a day for worship or to spend time with family. They’ve had this policy for some time.

 

[RNRobert]

No he did not…that whole argument is due to the misuse of the comma in translation as it should have most certainly read verily I say unto you today, (this day COMMA) you will be with me in paradise.

It changes the meaning tremendously moving that little translated comma to it’s proper position.

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”
John 20:17

I disagree. In another forum many years ago, someone used the ‘misplaced comma’ excuse. I think it’s bunk.
Many times in the Gospels, Jesus says “I say unto you…” He NEVER says “I say unto you today…”

 

[SDA2RC]

Many times in the Gospels, Jesus says “I say unto you…” He NEVER says “I say unto you today…”

**Agreed… in fact, here is a list, and you will notice that it is always followed by a comma, and never is “today” added as part of this common phrase. I have copied some of the actual verses too, but all of these texts have the same phrase. **

Mat 5:18 NASB "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:26 NASB "Truly I say to you, you shall not come out of there, until you have paid up the last cent.
Mat 6:2 NASB "When therefore you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
Mat 6:5 NASB "And when you pray, you are not to be as the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners, in order to be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
Mat 6:16
Mat 8:10
Mat 10:15
Mat 10:23
Mat 10:42
Mat 11:11
Mat 13:17
Mat 16:28 NASB “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mat 17:20
Mat 18:3 NASB and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:13 NASB "And if it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray.
Mat 18:18 NASB "Truly I say to you, whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 19:23 NASB And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:28 NASB And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Mat 21:21 NASB And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith, and do not doubt, you shall not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it shall happen.
Mat 21:31 NASB “Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said^, “The latter.” Jesus said^ to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax-gatherers and harlots will get into the kingdom of God before you.
Mat 23:36 NASB "Truly I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 24:2 NASB And He answered and said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here shall be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”
Mat 24:34 NASB "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Mat 24:47 NASB "Truly I say to you, that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
Mat 25:12 NASB "But he answered and said, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’
Mat 25:40 NASB "And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
Mat 25:45 NASB "Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
Mat 26:13 NASB “Truly I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done shall also be spoken of in memory of her.”
Mat 26:21 NASB And as they were eating, He said, “Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me.”
Mat 26:34 NASB Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you that this very night, before a cock crows, you shall deny Me three times.”
Mark 3:28 NASB "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 8:12 NASB And sighing deeply in His spirit, He said^, “Why does this generation seek for a sign? Truly I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation.”
Mark 9:1 NASB And He was saying to them, “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”
Mark 9:41 NASB
Mark 10:15 NASB “Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it at all.”
Mark 10:29
Mark 11:23
Mark 12:43
Mark 13:30 NASB "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Mark 14:9
Mark 14:18
Mark 14:25
Mark 14:30
Luke 4:24
Luke 12:37
Luke 12:44
Luke 18:17 NASB
Luke 18:29
Luke 21:3
Luke 21:32
Luke 23:43 NASB And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

 

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by goitalone

No he did not…that whole argument is due to the misuse of the comma in translation as it should have most certainly read verily I say unto you today, (this day COMMA) you will be with me in paradise.

It changes the meaning tremendously moving that little translated comma to it’s proper position.

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”
John 20:17

At least get the verse right, It’s not John 20:17 it’s Luke 23:43

 

[SAHM02]

At least get the verse right, It’s not John 20:17 it’s Luke 23:43

Oh, my… I read the post before, but I didn’t even bother to check the verse. I knew it was in the Bible and I just assumed the poster had quoted the right verse.

However, I just read your reply and it made me wonder and actually look it up.

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ " (New International Version)

Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” (New International Version)

Thanks Joey, I will no longer assume that posters have quoted the “right” verse. I will look them up for myself! Thanks for bringing this to light for me.

 

[JoeyWarren]

your welcome

 

[FCEGM]

You just confessed that one of YOUR church teachings are wrong. Why do you stay if you know YOUR church has at least one wrong teaching? . . .

I know goitalone’s words can be read that way (and I wish he were waying that!), but I believe when he says “one of our teachings is wrong” that he’s comparing SDA teachings to Catholic teaching, i.e., “one of us is wrong” - and we are safe to assume he thinks Catholics are the ones in error.

 

[catsrus]

originally quoted by goitalone
For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:5

originally posted by goitalone
No he did not…that whole argument is due to the misuse of the comma in translation as it should have most certainly read verily I say unto you today, (this day COMMA) you will be with me in paradise.

BOTH of these felonious “arguements” are the exact same touted by jehovah’s witnesses.
Thye “comma” "arguement has been disproved many times from the original languages and the Ecclesiastes arguement cannot be used after the arrival of Christ. Think about it. If Moses and Elijah were (and are) “dead”, how did they appear with Christ at the Transfiguation?

 

[SAHM02]

I know goitalone’s words can be read that way (and I wish he were waying that!), but I believe when he says “one of our teachings is wrong” that he’s comparing SDA teachings to Catholic teaching, i.e., “one of us is wrong” - and we are safe to assume he thinks Catholics are the ones in error.

That may very well be the case. I don’t know. I didn’t write goitalone’s post. I just responded to what was written. I noted that goitalone when on to say: To me it’s not as much of the name, but what you believe to see the most truth in…but thats everyone I guess too.

I also noted that goitalone had edit the post, so I just assume it read the way goitalone wanted it to read.

Based on what I am reading, it is my opinion that goitalone feels that it’s possible that even his religion has “errors” in it. After all goitalone didn’t make the claim that his religious sect had all of the truth, just the most of the truth in it. Again, I’m drawing that opinion based on what I’m reading.

His last statement, in my opinion, also implies that it is goitalone personal opinion that as long as you believe you are in the church that has “most” of the truth you are “okay” or “saved”.

It’s also along the lines: You are free to believe what you want and I’m free to believe what I want, as long as you have a “personal relationship” with God and know that you are “saved” by Jesus.

Which makes me all the more confused…

Since when is it okay to do or believe what I want to believe? After all Eve believed that is was “okay” to eat from the tree of knowledge… and we all know how that ended for her. (I’m sure that in itself is a new thread…and I do not wish to derail this thread; so we’ll just leave that as “rhetorical question”)

I’m just one confused Christian….