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SAHM02
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Are Rob Conte’s Prophecies “compatible” with Catholic Teaching? I may not be Catholic, but I was thought that the Catholic Church taught that we do not know the time, date or hour of Christ’s coming.
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JoeyWarren
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Not really sure.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
We can positively say that we don’t know the day and hour. The Year or Century is another matter all together.
As you will note Rob does not give a day or hour, just a year.
The RCC does not believe in 2 second comings.
That is all I will Hazard to say because Prophecy is a dangerous area. Any attempt to interpret Prophecy of Revelations runs the gauntlet of accidently adding to or taking away from that Book.
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JoeyWarren
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Notice the choice of words:
Date
Time
Either term can and could be used in a broad sense or in a narrow specfice sense.
Mary K Baxter’s description of the Anti-Christ and his Monitoring Machine says that the device in each house and buisness will be invisible. Speculation, in 400 years we might have the cloaking technology.
I do know this I will be tracking his interpretations. Starting with Hiliary Clinton as the next President. As for her becoming pro-life? Well I have pondered this. Her daughter has not had children yet, I think Chelsea could die having an abortion. This could be one dramatic event to change her stance…If Abortion was illegal her daughter might have not died.
I can see the logicalness of his predictions. Especially the nuking of NYC.
Only time can tell. Reading Conte’s stuff has made me and others a bit apprehensive to say the least.
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SAHM02
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I’m not sure…
I see Catholics on the forum get on JW for their “false prophecies” regarding the end. What happen’s to Mr. Conte’s Prophecies when 2437 comes and pass with nothing happening. Will he just change the date like JW?
What happens if Christ comes tomorrow? (maybe a new thread should be started)
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JoeyWarren
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Unfortunately Conte will not be around in 2437. And if Jesus comes right now? Well there is going to be a whole lot of disappointed people. I had a strange dream 2 weeks before christmas day. It was too real, it was in color as well. Jesus came back and took the dead in christ. The Earth started to shake and I fell to the floor of where I was. I looked out the window and saw tornado like vortexes but they caused no damage. Unidentifiable forms left the vortexes and went everywhere at once. I knew at once that this was the Rapture that I had been taught as a child. I started to pray fervently and my boss did so as well for Jesus to take us. The suddenly people I was working with started to disassociate atom by atom( I told this part to someone else before, they claim I got that part from the X-men, I told them I had not seen the new X-men movie yet) And when they were total disassociated into individual atoms, the atoms went out windows and doors. And then it was all over. I was left behind. I was in shock. I started an inventory of all my co-workers. None of the very pious Christians were taken. They were left behind as I was. Then it hit me like a mack truck. Al the sinners who had no hope of salvation were the ones taken. It became like a graph in my mind. 4 groups of people were represented:
Group 1 - Very Pious - Closest thing to a saint possible.
Group 2 - Christian - but on the borderline of being a sinner.
Group 3 - Sinner - but have a success of gaining salvation.
Group 4 - Sinner - no hope for Salvation because of their mind set or some other factor.
I realized that just like in the days of Noah, the sinners were taken out and the Good or potentially good were left behind. God knew that those outside Noah’s family had no hope for Salvation.
I ran outside the building to confirm what had been revealed. I saw a couple sitting on the steps of the courthouse. They were in complete shock. I asked them if they were God Fearing Christians. They said yes. I said you have been saved from Hell for the time being. Everyone that was taken was in Hell now.
Then it donged on me, when the Scripture said that the "Dead in Christ’ actuall meant “Dead TO Christ” those that have no chance for salvation.
Strange Dream. One that has shaken me to the core of my being.
And that is the short version of the dream…
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servus
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One thing all Christians need to think about is this.
God made the Seventh day at creation. He never changed it. He never abolished it. Paul (Col. 2:16) refutes a perverted use of it, but does not contradict its correct observance. Jesus expected us to keep it in the future (matt. 24:15-20) Think about it. Why would Jesus in the gospels teach how the Sabbath ought to be kept if He were to abolish it? Isaiah 66:22-23 says that we will keep it in the New Creation. It is amazing what we can make the Bible say, when God has been silent on the subject of a change in the Sabbath since He gave it to Adam and Eve, and enjoined it in the Ten Commandments, which even the Catholic Church (see art on ten Commandemtns in Catholic Encyclopedia) says still ought to be kept by Christians.
The question is about the Mark of the Beast. (Most)Catholics belive it (Revelation) was fulfilled by the Roman Empire, others have differing opinions. Futurism polarizes it to the un-tangible future, preterism to the untangible past. The question is, IF we are to take heed to the counsel in the “Revelation” of Jesus Christ, then we should look seriously at the warning found in Revelation 13:16-18.
As most of you know, Revelation is written in a symbolic language, by using Old Testmanet imgery, and symbols to describe literal events and characters. For example, John says “I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horn…” What is a beast? Daniel tells us "the fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom upon the earth…"Dan. 7:23 What is a horn? “The ten horns are ten kings…” Dan. 7:23-4 Apocalyptic Prophecy interprets apocalypic prophecy.
From where does John take the imagery used in Revelation 13:16-18 when he says (the second beast(kingdom)) “Causes all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in thier right hand, or in thier forehead…”?
Have you ever seen a Jew walking around decked out with his phalacteries? Little boxes containing God’s Ten Commandments hung on their right hand or on thier forehead? Well these ones took God literally when He said in Deuteronomy 6:1, 8 “Now these are the Commandments…and thou shalt bind them for a sign upon your hand, and they will be as frontlets between your eyes” While the Jews took it literally, this simply tells us that we are to make God’s commandments the core of our desicion making and intelligence (forehead), and guard our works (hand) from transgressing God’s Commandments.
John sees in Revelation a Kingdom enforcing a law upon God’s people. Let’s be careful. Here we are almost 2000 years after Jesus gave John the Revelation, alot has happend to the Church. Let’s pray God will give us the grace to be open minded, and allow the “more sure word prophecy” to show us our faults and give us guidance no matter who or what we are, and where tradition has taken us over 2 millenia.
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God made the Seventh day at creation. He never changed it. He never abolished it. Paul (Col. 2:16) refutes a perverted use of it, but does not contradict its correct observance. Jesus expected us to keep it in the future (matt. 24:15-20) Think about it. Why would Jesus in the gospels teach how the Sabbath ought to be kept if He were to abolish it? Isaiah 66:22-23 says that we will keep it in the New Creation. It is amazing what we can make the Bible say, when God has been silent on the subject of a change in the Sabbath since He gave it to Adam and Eve, and enjoined it in the Ten Commandments, which even the Catholic Church (see art on ten Commandemtns in Catholic Encyclopedia) says still ought to be kept by Christians.
The question is about the Mark of the Beast. (Most)Catholics belive it (Revelation) was fulfilled by the Roman Empire, others have differing opinions. Futurism polarizes it to the un-tangible future, preterism to the untangible past. The question is, IF we are to take heed to the counsel in the “Revelation” of Jesus Christ, then we should look seriously at the warning found in Revelation 13:16-18.
As most of you know, Revelation is written in a symbolic language, by using Old Testmanet imgery, and symbols to describe literal events and characters. For example, John says “I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horn…” What is a beast? Daniel tells us "the fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom upon the earth…"Dan. 7:23 What is a horn? “The ten horns are ten kings…” Dan. 7:23-4 Apocalyptic Prophecy interprets apocalypic prophecy.
From where does John take the imagery used in Revelation 13:16-18 when he says (the second beast(kingdom)) “Causes all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in thier right hand, or in thier forehead…”?
Have you ever seen a Jew walking around decked out with his phalacteries? Little boxes containing God’s Ten Commandments hung on their right hand or on thier forehead? Well these ones took God literally when He said in Deuteronomy 6:1, 8 “Now these are the Commandments…and thou shalt bind them for a sign upon your hand, and they will be as frontlets between your eyes” While the Jews took it literally, this simply tells us that we are to make God’s commandments the core of our desicion making and intelligence (forehead), and guard our works (hand) from transgressing God’s Commandments.
John sees in Revelation a Kingdom enforcing a law upon God’s people. Let’s be careful. Here we are almost 2000 years after Jesus gave John the Revelation, alot has happend to the Church. Let’s pray God will give us the grace to be open minded, and allow the “more sure word prophecy” to show us our faults and give us guidance no matter who or what we are, and where tradition has taken us over 2 millenia.
peace
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SDA2RC
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Servus,
Scripture never instructs or commands a Christian to observe the Jewish Sabbath. Period…
Scripture never instructs or commands a Christian to observe the Jewish Sabbath. Period…
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SDA2RC
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Wow…
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goitalone
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Like I was trying to say, I know what the song is about and all that…but what has always gone through my head was a totally different scene from being raised SDA I am sure.
So it has it’s own personal meaning to me and always will until the end.
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goitalone
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Like I said, you wouldn’t understand what I think about it.
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goitalone
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These are special devices packed with an explosion device if not found to have logged into church with yer shiney new Sunday Law Card on Sunday mornings to worship the Pope and Mary and Satan!Curious as to how you think a monitoring device could enforce a National Sunday Law.
I just scared myself!!!
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goitalone
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They take all the Saturday worshippers to a special lockdown tho…and then on Sunday, they have their fun with them after they re done worshipping the beast!!
You understand now ? LOL
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goitalone
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Thats the time tho, when it is decided all people who don’t want to go to church (on Sunday or not at all) will be done away with…a calling from God they will say, for to destroy all unrighteousness on earth.interesting point! I’m not the Adventist. However, goitalone is, therefore I will let goitalone answer that one.
Well, forcing everyone TO WORSHIP God would not be less religious; would it?
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MarysRoses
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PLEASE tell me you are joking, or do I get yet another tidbit showing Adventists insist on teaching that Catholics worship Mary, and now the pope?These are special devices packed with an explosion device if not found to have logged into church with yer shiney new Sunday Law Card on Sunday mornings to worship the Pope and Mary and Satan!
I just scared myself!!!
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goitalone
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goitalone
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No, I am not serious, it will probably be much more graphic than that I am sure.
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SDA2RC
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LOL… no its not!That’s because the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) is to be kept by everyone!
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Mommyof02green
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I was doing some Scripture reading for another thread, and I came across these 2 passages:LOL… no its not!
**Acts 2:46 ** Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes.
Every day Catholics gather for worship and breaking of bread at Daily Mass. You can go here and find out Mass times almost any where in the world. Mass is everyday!
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight.
Catholics gather to break bread on the first day of the week at Sunday Mass.
1 Corinthians 16:1-3 On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come. And when I arrive, I shall send those whom you have approved with letters of recommendation to take your gracious gift to Jerusalem.
On the first day of the week they would set aside and save whatever they can afford, this is so when Paul came he did not need to do individual collections.
Which means that they came together on the first day of the week; each bringing what they could afford (an offering)
hmm, when I go to church I bring an offering of what I can afford to bring… I also do this on the first day of the week. (Sunday).
We know that when they gathered together they worshiped God and broke bread. They were gathering together on the first day of the week (so do Catholics); and they were gathering together daily (so do Catholics).
Do Adventist gather together DAILY to break bread?
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servus
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Dear Brandon,
It seems that at the time of Christ, the Pharisees and the Sauducees had a symbolic preocupation with the outward observance of the law. Therefore they needed not to be told to keep the Sabbath. But if they broke it, and forgot it, we can be sure Jesus would ahve told them. The New Testament is not a book of laws, but of Grace. “For the law came by Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” John ch. 1:17.
I often hear former and non-Adventists quote that no where are Chrisitans told to keep the Sabbath. Some even say that all 9 others are reiterated, save the Sabbath. In order to do this you have to throw out the Old Testmanet
eek: ), so I will just quote the NT.I beleive that the New Testament does teach Sabbath keeping. Firstly because Jesus did not take away our rest Day. Jesus taught His disciples to keep the Sabbath, that is why even when He was in the grave, they kept the Sabbath “according to the commandment” waiting until the Sabbath was passed until the anointed him with spices (Luke 23:56). Jesus made man on the sixth, and and rested the Seventh. Jesus redeemed man on the sixth day, saying “it is finished” (John 19:30), and rested the seventh.
When Gentiles wanted to hear the Word preached they asked that it be done “on the Sabbath Day”, and the whole (Gentile) city of Antioch came together on the Sabbath day (Acts 13:42-44). Paul could have just as easily told them to come back on the Lord’s day. This would have set a precedent for the New Testament, but he did not.
In Macedonia, Paul and his companions have a private Sabbath service, without a synagogue for miles, and convert a gentile family (Acts 16:13)
In Hebrews 4 the Sabbath is used as a symbolic representation of our rest in Christ, and forshadows and eschatological rest in the future. The Greek word “sabbatismos” used in Hebrews 4:9 means “keeping of the Sabbath”.
Isaiah 66:22-3 says that in the new heavens and earth we will kepp the sabbath day.
In Revelation 12:17, 14:12 the end time Church is identified as “keeping the commandments of God…” The word used for commandemnts in the greek is “entolas”. It is the same exact word Jesus used to refer to the Ten Commandments in Matthew 19:17-19. It is the same word used calling the Sabbath a “commandment” in Luke 23:26 (with a singular ending).
Finally, your own adopted Church teaches you that all Ten Commandments remain “binding” on Chrisitans. I think it is in the 9th session of the Council of Trent, also the New ADvent article on the “Ten Commandments” In fact, that article itself says that the Church changed the Sabbath “and made the 3rd commandment apply to Sunday rather than the Sabbath”.
When we look into the face of our Creator, how are we gonna explain that one to Him? Wouldn’t we be safer if we just took the commandmetn as it reads? God never leaves us to deduction and speculation to determine His laws.
peace
Alan
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