National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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Everyone knows the Pops is calling for UNITY.
Every Christian is calling for “unity”!

Why are you here goitalone? You are here because you are a Christian and you are seeking for us to be in “union” with you and your church: The Seventh-day Adventist Church!

What make your desire for “unity” different from any other Christian that wants “unity”?
 
No, it’s just the truth sweetie.

But the truth is what you know not of.

Yes, and where do you think this UNITY will take us?

Unity would be great IF it weren’t eventuallly to unite us all into a Sunday Law where as that not be so great as it will take our freedom’s of Religious choice away from us WHEN it becomes law
 
Gotta know and understand and believe in yer Bible prophecies of Revelation…and you don’t.
 
No, it’s just the truth sweetie.

But the truth is what you know not of.

Yes, and where do you think this UNITY will take us?

Unity would be great IF it weren’t eventuallly to unite us all into a Sunday Law where as that not be so great as it will take our freedom’s of Religious choice away from us WHEN it becomes law
goitalone, help me here. You keep throwing out words like “truth” finding all these secrets in the Bible.

Here is where I think most of us are confused and maybe you can enlighten us.

What version of the Bible are you getting all this stuff from?

Which NT manuscript and who made the English translation?

As to the OT, which Septuagint? or was it the later Jewish manuscript which is post-Jesus (90 AD) and was accepted by Protestant sects as the ‘textus receptus?’

Finally, after you let us know all this, one more question:

Where did you find the direction (from that Bible) which told you all these things were signs of something going to happen (especially this National Sunday Law stuff)?

Really, answer these questions first.

Unless you do, we can assume you are not serious enough to enlighten us and that your only purpose is to proselytize on this Forum.

Pax Christi
 
No, it’s just the truth sweetie
“sweetie”?? :confused:
But the truth is what you know not of.
I have been warned of “false” profits. I have asked you time, and time again.

How do you know that you have the “right”, the “correct” interpretation?
Your interpretation is based on whose “authority”? Please answer these questions.
Unity would be great IF it weren’t eventually to unite us all into a Sunday Law where as that not be so great as it will take our freedom’s of Religious choice away from us WHEN it becomes law
Who told you about this “Sunday Law”? Who told you that it would become a law? Where did you get this information?

And if you say the bible then go back to the questions above: How do you know that it is the “correct” interpretation? Your interpretation is based on whose “authority”?
Gotta know and understand and believe in yer Bible prophecies of Revelation…and you don’t.
These Bible prophecies are nothing more then someone interpretation of scripture. Again, how do you know that these are the “correct” interpretation? Your interpretation is based on whose “authority”?

Also, I’ve met an Adventist lately that believed like me that the number 144,000 is not a “literal” and “finite” number. They believe that it is a metaphor for ALL of Israel. In other words it’s symbolic number.

The Adventist that I have met recently had told me that there is no way of knowing the exact number.

So which Adventist do I believe?
Do I believe you the Adventist that is telling me that it’s a literal, finite number?

Or, do I believe the other Adventist, the one that is telling me that it’s a metaphor, a symbolic number for ALL of Israel? Do I believe the Adventist that is telling me that it is an infinite number and there is no way of knowing the exact number?

Hmm… Well seeing, I already believe that it is a symbolic number. I will go with the Adventist that is telling me that it is a symbolic number. I will go with all the scholar(s) that were before me, (i.e. St. Augustine) that said it was a symbolic number. St. Augustine believed that the number 144,000 was symbolic.

I will go with these people and say that you are the one in error here regarding the 144,000 in Revelation.

That is the only thing I can do. Especially when it comes to the book of Revelation. Revelation is a hard book to read and understand. It’s a book written in symbolic and allegorical language.

Symbolic means that the book uses symbolisms.
Allegorical means that the book uses concrete and material forms to express an abstract and spiritual meaning. The book of Revelation is about the “spiritual” side of things. The battle of “Good” and “Evil”; “Heaven” and “Hell”

The book of Revelation is hard to understand because to fully understand it one has to fully understand the spiritual i.e. God. We will never have a complete understanding and a complete knowledge of God until we have “Beatific Vision”. That means we will never have a complete and full understand of God until we see him in ALL HIS GLORY face to face.

ON top of this one also has to know the Historic background of this writing. What was going on in Rome at the time? What was going on in Jerusalem at the time? Where was John when he wrote this?

Also the book of Revelation “borrows” symbolic and allegorical language from the books of Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Daniel. So one has to know the history background of those books. One also has to understand what the symbolism and allegories meant in those books.

It’s not all that easy to do. That’s why I rely on the opinions of scholars; of ECF such as Augustine, and my basic, elementary understanding of how ancient Israel view numbers (3, 6, 7, 9, 12 etc) and the meanings that they attached to those numbers.

May God Bless you.
 
It’s 12x12,000 …the fact is it IS literal…just as it was a literal as with King David when he had 288,000 praising the Lord in the temple.144,000 responsible for the fall feasts and 144,000 for the spring feasts.
12x 12,000=144,000
The Hebrews did use numbers for counting, but to them numbers also carried significant symbolic meanings. The number 12 referred to the totality of the people of God. Multipliers of 10, 100, and 1,000 meant “this is really important.” Therefore, David ensured that the literal number of worshippers equaled the number that had symbolic importance. By aligning the two, David could make the inference that God is worshipped by “all of the people of all of the tribes, and this is really, really important.”

In the Book of Revelation we have a different statement. Chapter 7 verses 4-8 tallies a symbolic twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes, and verses 9-10 show how that tally is literally fulfilled by an uncountable number of people from all over the earth.

Rev 7:4-10 And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand of the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand of the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Two things are especially significant about this passage from Revelation. First, compare the names of the tribes to those in 1st Chronicles. They are different.

1st Chronicles Chapter 27 lists them as Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Aaron, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Naphtali, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, and Dan.

Revelation Chapter 7 lists them as Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin.

The Book of Numbers Chapter 1 lists the twelve tribes as Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Gad, and Naphtali

Only nine of the twelve tribes match between 1st Chronicles and Revelation, and only eight of the twelve match on all three lists. Therefore, the Davidic (human) rendering of “144,000” in 1st Chronicles does not compare to the Heavenly rendering in Revelation.

The second point is this: Revelation verse 9 says the “144,000” is actually “a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation.” Now, clearly David could count to 144,000, so describing the crowd in Revelation as too big for men to number means that we must be dealing with symbolic numbers. The only way this passage could possibly be read and have any sensical meaning is as a symbolic, not a literal, 144,000.

Also, if you were to hold to the literal reading of the passage, you would have to admit that neither you nor any other Gentile Christian could be part of the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation.

Nan
 
Hey, these people made a video about the popes…they got it kida right but not about the pope coming back to life I dont think…thats where they went wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=QUH4fu4NheQ
Actually, they got it all wrong. Millions killed during the Inquisiton? PUH-LEEZE. And Vatican City is situated on a hill that is not one of the seven hills of Rome.

What rubbish!
 
Hey, these people made a video about the popes…they got it kida right but not about the pope coming back to life I dont think…thats where they went wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=QUH4fu4NheQ
Furthermore, the harlot is clearly identified as a city, not a Church. Catholics are often accused of “adding” to the Bible…well, here is a perfect example of adding to the Bible. The harlot of Babylon is a city. Nowhere does the Bible say it is a church. Do these folks take the Bible literally, or not?

Source: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter_details.php?id=27
 
Furthermore, the harlot is clearly identified as a city, not a Church. Catholics are often accused of “adding” to the Bible…well, here is a perfect example of adding to the Bible. The harlot of Babylon is a city. Nowhere does the Bible say it is a church. Do these folks take the Bible literally, or not?

Source: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter_details.php?id=27
Only when it suits their interpretation (a la the 144,000 in Revelation).
I wonder how they interpret John 6:32-66 and 1 Corinthians 11:27-30.
 
Furthermore, the harlot is clearly identified as a city, not a Church. Catholics are often accused of “adding” to the Bible…well, here is a perfect example of adding to the Bible. The harlot of Babylon is a city. Nowhere does the Bible say it is a church. Do these folks take the Bible literally, or not?

Source: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter_details.php?id=27
I just wanted to add whore = harlot

It just depends on the translation that is being used.

KJV: whore
NAB: harlot
 
Like I said before…I already feel the sealing has begun…you have taken your stand for your Pope and Sunday and Mary and whatever else.

And we have taken our stand for the 4th commandment and whatever goes along with it…even if by death of persecution as the Bible has foretold.
No,

you’ve taken the stand of accepting Ellen Gould White’s interpretation of scripture instead of the interpretation of scripture of the Twelve Apostles.
 
I have told you all in previous posts …the info is all there.
I’m still waiting for the scripture verse that says that the Sabbath is Saturday, based on my objection that the first sabbath day is unknown.

If you don’t know the first “7th day sabbath” date exactly, then based on all the calendars that came and went since that time, you have no proof that today’s Gregorian calendar Saturday is the same day of the week that the original Jewish Sabbath is.

“And so, a pope named Gregory will make a calendar, and that calendar will have Saturday as the sabbath day.” (insert Bible citation here for this quote)

Remember my quote:
Unless the calendar you depend on is intact since the time of Moses, you can’t practice 7th day = Saturday being the sabbath. We’ve had the Gregorian calendar, then the Julian before that, and before that other calendars.
**My point is that the rule is every 7th day is to be kept holy - that’s what the scripture says. If it must be a particular day of the week, you must prove that exact day is the same from the time of Moses by showing a string of successive sabbaths kept from the time of Moses to today. No such historical record exists. Thus you believe Saturday=sabbath must be on no biblical basis and completely on blind faith. ** So if you are not certain that a certain day is the sabbth because nobody kept track of the day of the week, then we must start over, work 6 days, and rest on the 7th.
If you accept the day of the week to be Saturday to be your sabbath, you do so based on the Gregorian Calendar. You accept the authority of the Gregorian Calendar to set your moral code, and thus you accept the authority of the Catholic Church who created that Gregorian Calendar to set your morality.
 
Note to goitalone… I’ve been where you’re at, and let me tell you, life is really great in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church!

You have no idea how wonderful it is to be participating in worship that is the same as what Jesus taught the Apostles to do in all the churches they planted…

I used to be SDA and let me tell you there is no comparison whatsover!

Jeremiah
 
I do have a question for goitalone: how do you celebrate Easter SUNDAY? You can’t celebrate it at a Saturday service (or friday night sabbath service) so how can you celebrate Jesus’ resurrection?
 
I do have a question for goitalone: how do you celebrate Easter SUNDAY? You can’t celebrate it at a Saturday service (or friday night sabbath service) so how can you celebrate Jesus’ resurrection?
Oooh… Good one!
 
I do have a question for goitalone: how do you celebrate Easter SUNDAY? You can’t celebrate it at a Saturday service (or friday night sabbath service) so how can you celebrate Jesus’ resurrection?
The really conservative SDA’s celebrate the resurrection once or only a few times in their lifetime. Baptism is seen as the memorial of the resurrection. I never celebrated Easter once as an SDA, but thought it was pagan sun worship.

Going to the Roman Catholic celebration of Easter was totally a new thing for me… and Orthodox Pascha was almost mind blowing. 😃

Jeremiah
 
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