National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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This is my very first posting. I have been reading threads on these forums for months now, and have followed this one diligently. I figured it is time to step up/step in.
I am currently in the RCIA program to come in full communion with the Catholic Church this Easter! This has been a long journey, as I had been a faithful Seventh-Day Adventist in my teens, went to SDA schools, and college, minored in theology and have had a lifelong passion for faith and religion. I lived in the Middle East a great portion of my life and have had friends and people I have loved stretched across the cultures and religions of the world. As I grew up, my Adventist “separatism” did not always settle well with me, as it seemed to require that I reject and deny ANYTHING outside of that framework. Having said that, I will forever testify to the great love for Jesus that was cultivated in my life through the SDA faith.
As I have read these months, the meandering of the debates that have been posted on these threads, I want to say this:
Thank you, to the faithful, loving Catholic believers who have diligently tried to bridge the vast ravine of misunderstanding and distorted truths that are frequently perpetuated by SDAs, and others who view the Catholic Church as the ‘Whore of Babylon.’ I have studied dilgently these past couple of years and know that the Catholic Church is truly the one, holy and apostalic Church, the bride of Christ and in her is the fulness of truth. You have been instrumental in helping to guide me with references and links throughout. Even as a few of you have stumbled along trying to make sense of Adventist language and loopholes(!), you have attempted and remained, for the most part, gracious and faithful.
To the Adventists, and other believers who are doggedly determined that changing their veiws about Catholicism would equate to heresy and hellfire: peace be with you. You have, in your attempts to discredit Catholic theology, given strength to me. It has made me search harder and pray more—and submit more fully to the Church. That is certainly the very last thing you want to hear, for in all of your best attempts, you have ultimately come across as defensive and threatening; more concerned with proving that the Church and it’s faithful are hell bound, and harboring relief that you are one of the “remnant” believers. I would have been unwillling to be counted among you even if I was still a SDA. As for playing the card of being the “persecuted ones,” I, for one, have faced more “persecution” as a Catholic than I ever did as a Seventh-Day Adventist. Not that it validates the journey, but I know now that I am willing to be counted in as one of the “poor lost souls” in the Catholic Church. AMEN and AMEN.
 
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the onyl prophecy ive heard like that is not being able to buy or sell unless u recieve a mark in ur right hand or forehead which of course is the mark of the beast six-hundred threescore and six (i dont like typing or writing the actual mark)
 
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Wow,
First, to my fellow Adventist Brothers and Sisters who visit this site, be thankful that u saw these words with ur own eyes.

looking back at the threads that are written here (the gloooom, dismay, distrust, fighting, anger,arguing, attacks, MISUNDERSTANDINGS, AND loyalty to a church and not the expressed word of God.) I still believe that there is hope in King Jesus.

i didn’t come to this site trying to pick a fight and i still maintain that i have NOTHING against an individual, i love all of Gods creation and i am still loving my neighbour as i love myself. i put myself above nobody, i was born in sin like everybody else.

i remember a couple weeks ago, i was on an adventist web site. i asked this question in a search bar(powered by google) - how soon are we to the enforcement of the national sunday law. and this forum was presented to me.

was my question answered? Yes it was.
i asked that question just to see what the latest thoughts were.

to get the answer to that question and a lot more, just go back and read these threads. and ask yourselves:

who(m) do i believe in?

where is my loyalty?

do i spend enough time in communion with the Creator of all mankind?

do i really understand this issue?

look at the tone, the pitch, each statement, the references, etc
and hold it up against the bible.

i am happy be apart of this. i am now understanding things that i knw was possible, i heard about, have seen amount protestants(appostalics/evangelicals) but yet, boy mi a tell u.😦

anyway, there is still hope in king Jesus.

forgive, but i will respond to the other threads in a little while.
 
Wow,
First, to my fellow Adventist Brothers and Sisters who visit this site, be thankful that u saw these words with ur own eyes.

looking back at the threads that are written here (the gloooom, dismay, distrust, fighting, anger,arguing, attacks, MISUNDERSTANDINGS, AND loyalty to a church and not the expressed word of God.)
How does God express HIS word?
I still believe that there is hope in King Jesus.
No argument here!
i didn’t come to this site trying to pick a fight and i still maintain that i have NOTHING against an individual, i love all of Gods creation and i am still loving my neighbour as i love myself. i put myself above nobody, i was born in sin like everybody else.
Again No argument here!
i remember a couple weeks ago, i was on an adventist web site. i asked this question in a search bar(powered by google) - how soon are we to the enforcement of the national sunday law. and this forum was presented to me.
Interesting…
to get the answer to that question and a lot more, just go back and read these threads. and ask yourselves:
okay
who(m) do i believe in?
I answered this when I gave the creed in post 733 see here
where is my loyalty?
With God and HIS church… That is why I call myself a Catholic-Christian. I have a feeling that is why others call themselves Adventist, Lutheran or Baptist etc. It’s to show what “church” they belong to… It is to show what “creed” they believe and what “beliefs” they believe. (It’s to show where they belong… so there most be some “loyalty” there [in my opinion])
do i spend enough time in communion with the Creator of all mankind?
Well I pray at least 5 times everyday, I worship at least once a week some times more, I confess my sins to God daily. I read scripture twice a day.

The first time I read sripture I read the “daily readings” Here is a link to what scripture passage those are: usccb.org/nab/index.shtml

The second time I read scripture I use this devotional bible. (see here) as an aid. This bible gives a passages to read with suggested meditation. With this aid I’m able to read scripture, meditate on the passage, understand how that applies to me, and pray about it. (It just helps me move from scripture into prayer)

Is this enough? No I’m always trying to find more ways. (But that’s just me)
do i really understand this issue?
I still do not understand the whole “Sunday Law” thing. I don’t understand what scripture passage these beliefs come from. Maybe you are willing to share where in the Bible this comes from? And How?
 
The so call sunday law would mean that all the Moslem
countries would have to become Christian, do you think this
is going to happen?
 
The so call sunday law would mean that all the Moslem
countries would have to become Christian, do you think this
is going to happen?
I don’t think the Muslims would have a problem with it. Instead we should be asking ourselves how many people would go along with it just to save thier skin? The mark of the beast, says Revelation, is enforced upon pains of death.

Plus, last summer I was walking around a popular pacific rim city, and saw a famous Buddhist temple. The sign out front said “Sunday service” 10am.
 
I don’t think the Muslims would have a problem with it. Instead we should be asking ourselves how many people would go along with it just to save thier skin? The mark of the beast, says Revelation, is enforced upon pains of death.

Plus, last summer I was walking around a popular pacific rim city, and saw a famous Buddhist temple. The sign out front said “Sunday service” 10am.
I don’t understand the correlation between Muslims and the time of serves at a Buddhist temple.

I thought that Islam (Muslims) and Buddhism (Buddhist) are “two” different religions/faiths!

Here is just one example of a web-source that shows that Buddhism and Islam are 2 different religions. everystudent.com/features/connecting.html

(I only used the above source, because it does show how Buddhism and Islam are 2 different religions)
 
Servus said: I don’t think the Muslims would have a problem with it.
oh yes they will. They gather in the Mosque on Friday. They will never accept Sunday. You are so delusional to the point of patheticness.
 
I don’t think the Muslims would have a problem with it. Instead we should be asking ourselves how many people would go along with it just to save thier skin? The mark of the beast, says Revelation, is enforced upon pains of death.
Servus - Catholics have shown that they will stand up for their faith when faced with the pain of death or other terrible punishment. For example: Maximilian Kolbe in the concentration camps, also Fr. Walter Ciszech who server the Church in Russia when it was illegal. I have letters written from my own father from Korea describing the persecution the Catholics underwent when he was in Korea during the Korean Conflict. He describes such courage of the people to defend Christianity. He was involved in helping the people get clothing and food.

Christians have faced the “mark of the beast” many times in history. They have stood for their faith and perservered. To limit revelations to a National Sunday Law to me seems short sighted. Why wait for a National Sunday Law to stand up for Christianity. Why not fight the “marks of the beast” that are present in our own society. Please join us in fighting abortion, war, injustices, etc.
 
I for one am not detached from reality. I am quite aware of what’s going on in this world. I to believe the Muslims will be a major role in the end-time events. Are you aware of the Churches attendance after 9/11? The records show that the chruches experienced record highs. It’s amazing what those terrorists caused. Look at some of the freedoms we have lost after 9/11 (they were for good reason) But one more major terror attack and watch how everyone will hand over more control for the sense of security.

Now onto the power of Chrisitianity today in America. I’m sure you are aware of Pat Roberston and other such evangelists. Well they began to speak out about a new political religion that would direct its efforts toward taking control of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government. It’s stated goal was to use the United States to create a global Christian empire. what is the percentage of Christians in the US today? Somewhere between 70-86% I believe, not exact but close enough. Might I mention that Pat Roberston has a huge following today. This movement is in politics more than you have stated. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House before the last elections earned approval ratings of 80 to 100 percent from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups, The Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. President Bush has handed hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to these groups and dismantled federal programs in science, reproductive rights, and AIDS research to pay homeage to the Christian rights groups. Once these self-absorbed, power hungry politicos realized the voting power of the Christian movement, you would be suprised at what can be accomplished. You familiar with the FCC issues back a few years with Howard Stern, etc. Who do you think was behind that? The Christian Movement! Howard Stern was on for a long time until Bush put Powell’s son the head of FCC.
Are you aware of the ACLJ with Jay Sekulow check them out at aclj.org/ look at what the Christian’s are accomplishing with him. Here are some more links to check out. To give you a good idea of what’s coming down the pipe.

ldausa.org/
tencommandmentsday.com/ (notice the day)
cc.org/
christianchurchestogether.org/ (click on the what we do link and look at # 7)
 
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contramundum7:
So are you saying you don’t agree that Bush should be helping the “Christian cause” ?
I would like to know more where about you are coming from.
I don’t agree that Pat Robertson should be allowed to start some kind of national church or anything… but at least Bush is against abortion. Are you criticizing him for that or just his involvement with Robertson?
What religion are you and where do you stand on the issues you mention.
It might sound crazy, but i always wondered if maybe the U.S. had something to do with allowing 911 just so as to have that excuse - to violate our privacy (and take away more of our rights). Long story why i am this paranoid… (Yet, if the word paranoid describes someone whose fears are not based in reality, i hardly think i qualify…).
 
Servus, Goitalone, SayNOtoBabylon and drdude are Seventh-Day Adventist.

(Hopefully I didn’t leave anyone out. If I did I’m sorry!)
 
oh yes they will. They gather in the Mosque on Friday. They will never accept Sunday. You are so delusional to the point of patheticness.
I feel you are being uncharitable here.

Also, i don’t understand the importance some people/groups always put on the particular day of worship. My opinion is we should worship God EVERY day… I do, or try to…
 
The Sunday law is one interpretation of the Mark,but
I think Identitycomputer chips implants, being necessary
to buy and sell, is closer to the right interpretation what
do ya’ll think ?
 
The Sunday law is one interpretation of the Mark,but
I think Identitycomputer chips implants, being necessary
to buy and sell, is closer to the right interpretation what
do ya’ll think ?
I would disagree. The book of Revelations was not just meant for end times. I think it is a total distortion of the book to interpret it in a futuristic sense. As a matter of fact it wasn’t until fairly recent years that it has been interpreted in that way. It is a book that pertains to all times.

The early Christians were faced with “the mark of the beast” when they were persecuted. And in each age we see the mark appears. The mark of the beast could be abortion, war, euthanasia, slavery, etc. Revelations tells us that we will face this mark throughout the ages. But is it a book of hope for it tells us that if we endure we will surely win. Ultimately God is greater than any evil in this world.

In my opinion to identify it as something specific is to see the splinter in someone else’s eye and to miss the log in our own.
 
spychips.com/

They put these chips in dogs (under the skin), its the size of
a piece of rice, then a supermarket scanner is used to identify
lost dogs.
 
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