Nearly half of countries are producing too few babies to maintain their populations, say researchers

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EXdrinker said:
I agree with you, that is unfortunate. It should be increasing by much more than that but people are choosing evils over God
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Is there at least SOME number at which you’d agree the Earths resources would be overtaxed? If so, what is it? 20 billion? 50 billion? 500 billion?
 
MT’s not cheap either. Californians moving up there drove up property prices. There are also certain norms that the locals have kept over time where locals usually allowed to come onto to certain large property for fishing, but now that’s changed with the new owners who prefer to keep people off of their land.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Is there at least SOME number at which you’d agree the Earths resources would be overtaxed? If so, what is it? 20 billion? 50 billion? 500 billion?
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No. I trust in God’s providence. Consider the hundreds of millions of babies that have died in abortion - how many of them would have gone on to invent new things, cure diseases, possibly explore and colonize space? We should just trust in Him and be fruitful and multiply in marriages when there is not a grave reason to refrain from doing so.
 
Gods providence does not mean we can do willfully stupid things and then expect God to bail us out. If I deliberately set fire to my house, I don’t get to meet God at the pearly gates and go, “Hey, why didn’t you miraculously douse the flames?!” We’re still obligated to use the reasoning God gave us.

And there are more ways to have a sustainable population than abortion.
 
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He did in fact command that humans be fruitful & multiply. I’ve never seen Scripture commanding otherwise.

Some other articles online related to the decline in population:

“Half of countries have fertility rates below replacement level, study finds”

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...nds-47813?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

“Population and fertility by age and sex for 195 countries and territories, 1950–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017”

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)32278-5/fulltext

I was listening to Relevant Radio’s show, “Father Simon Says,” & more than once before, I’ve heard him say similar:

From “‘Remarkable’ decline in fertility rates”:

“Whenever a country’s rate drops below approximately 2.1 then populations will eventually start to shrink (this “baby bust” figure is significantly higher in countries which have high rates of death in childhood).”
 
“Multiply” doesn’t necessarily mean exponentially and out of control.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Gods providence does not mean we can do willfully stupid things and then expect God to bail us out. If I deliberately set fire to my house, I don’t get to meet God at the pearly gates and go, “Hey, why didn’t you miraculously douse the flames?!” We’re still obligated to use the reasoning God gave us.
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Of course we cannot willfully do stupid things but your analogy has nothing to do with married men and women having large faithful families. That is very reasonable.

Where are you getting your concern for overpopulation? Most of these come from a secular worldview that leaves God out of the equation. There is no context to their worldview and nothing is “seen” quite right due to this omitting of the very reason that all things exist. Be not afraid, trust in He Who Is.
 
EXdrinker said:
Where are you getting your concern for overpopulation?
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Because things like fresh water are finite. Yes, God could miraculously make more, but I don’t think it’s wise to assume that’s going to happen.
 
Isn’t this what happened with Rome? Too much partying, selfish behavior, committing acts which did not lead to procreation? Eventually they had too few younger ones to lead, produce, serve, fight battles, etc.
 
GladTidings said:
Isn’t this what happened with Rome? Too much partying, selfish behavior, committing acts which did not lead to procreation? Eventually they had too few younger ones to lead, produce, serve, fight battles, etc.
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That’s pseudo-history. Christianity was completely normalized in Rome by the time the empire collapsed.
 
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Do you think God meant us to interperet it as an open ended command we should apply in the most extreme and literal way possible regardless of circumstances? I don’t.
 
kainosktisis said:
Whenever a country’s rate drops below approximately 2.1 then populations will eventually start to shrink (this “baby bust” figure is significantly higher in countries which have high rates of death in childhood).”
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Which is why, IMO, those areas where people aren’t reproducing themselves ought to step it up and have more kids. And those areas where people are reproducing at an unsustainable rate ought to slow it down.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Because things like fresh water are finite. Yes, God could miraculously make more, but I don’t think it’s wise to assume that’s going to happen.
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There is an ample supply of hydrogen and oxygen in the universe. It is very likely that Jesus will come again before we drink all the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in the universe. 🙂 Be not afraid.
 
Well, He meant the other commands as non negotiables. Very few direct commands are actually given in the Bible. Why would “Thou shall not kill,” “Thou shall not steal” and “Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind” and “Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself” and “Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me” count, but not the very first command.

Oh look at that, the last quote I listed is quite fitting as well. Maybe the fact that it is confirmed by the Son makes the command from the Father even more important to obey.
 
There are a number of reasons Rome fell, one of which has to do with immorality. If they were having orgies and also not showing their children how to live productively, the future generations would suffer. Not to mention too much dependence on slave labor, a widening gap between the rich and poor, high taxes, civil war, overspending. There is no denying there are some similarities between the modern U.S. and the fifth century Rome.
 
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