Need for Christian Public Library...not gov run public library

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PJH_74 said:
You can’t shelter your kid forever, especially in today’s world of instant information. You will have to let go of your kids some day and hope you have taught them well Part of that is learning to process and deal with the world. I wouldn’t tell you to go looking for some of the topics you’d like to avoid at the library; but I’d suggest the pace of a library book is much slower than the Internet to have some of the discussions you will inevitably have.
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Not at 5 years old. I don’t plan on my children ever reading G&L books by God’s grace I pray and by HIs grace… I never had to until I went to the children’s section of the public library at the age of 36. Lord have mercy on your reasoning skills. With your reasoning why stop there…why not have children’s books with cuss words? Just because they might be exposed to cuss words one day does not mean they should start reading cuss words today. God have mercy. God have mercy. God have mercy. In Jesus name I pray, amen.
 
You can’t keep the library from buying books that you don’t think are healthy but other patrons want to read.

Find out how to make requests to your local public library and let others in your parish know how to do it. The libraries are not stuck with the lowest common denominator in the way public schools have become. They can stock Bibles and the lives of the saints and books on theology and anything else their readers want to read. If a bookstore open to the public can stock it, a public library can acquire it. They acquire what readers ask for and what readers check out. Find out how that works in your public library system, and spread the word.

You can probably also ask your local “friends of the library” to let you know when the library lets go of Catholic titles because they’re duplicates, expand their holdings in one area too much, or aren’t popular enough. Your parish can have a “friends of the library” group that acquires those for the parish at the “friends of the library” price.

In other words, don’t hate the system, because it is not going away. Learn the system and use it to the benefit of the public library patrons in your parish.
 
tifischer said:
I am not aware of any such books in public, but I agree…this looks like it may be an issue in the future if it is not already. So what may we do oh Lord? Wonder why public schools can afford so many fancy stuff? Consider the number of families who pay taxes for public school but need private or homeschooling because of their moral beliefs? I have heard of some people wanting the gov to create a voucher system for people who choose private school or home schooling. Meanwhile Obama is talking about the end of private schools…because it He argues that “Catholic” schools and “Protestant” schools divide people and they need to be all united in “Public” schools to enable “cooperation”. That begs the question of cooperation with what ideology?.. government (democratic) world view instead of Christian world view? Let us pray that we may be united as one body in Christ. In Jesus name, Amen.

Obama link (catholicvote.org/video-obama-calls-for-an-end-to-catholic-schools/)
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I don’t have any children but I have heard of “alternative families books” books used in grade school curriculum.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
You are not making any sense. Hate the sin love the sinner has nothing to do with the tolerance of exposing children to evil… :rolleyes: are you just throwing popular realativistic words against the wall hoping one sticks?
Tolerance
Hate the sin
Next up is “who am I to judge…”
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Parents job to protect their children from unpalatable ideas, not force others to do it. Maybe I misunderstood the original (rereading I think I did) But christian and public would be mutually exclusive - the public library is for everyone, its up to the parent to try and develop a private christian library. Try crowdfunding and establishing an electronic library, a private one.

Hate the sin, the books in the library, but don’t hate the library system for supporting the US Constitution. (I typed the last sentence really slow, hope it helps! 🙂 )
 
tifischer said:
Not at 5 years old. I don’t plan on my children ever reading
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Five is young yes. But plan on and could are very different things. If you never address a topic from your point of view; you never really get a chance to express your view. Avoiding a topic may have worked in an isolated world, but today’s connected world will fill in the gaps you leave open.
tifischer said:
G&L books by God’s grace I pray and by HIs grace… I never had to until I went to the children’s section of the public library at the age of 36. Lord have mercy on your reasoning skills. With your reasoning why stop there…why not have children’s books with cuss words? Just because they might be exposed to cuss words one day does not mean they should start reading cuss words today. God have mercy. God have mercy. God have mercy. In Jesus name I pray, amen.
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We all are sinners in someway, I can always use the prayers. Thanks.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Tolerance means being exposed to others beliefs, teach your child certain ideas are not christian and should be avoided, not to viciously attack or cowardly bury them. Jesus taught by example…
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Tolerance is a gov world view not a Christian world view. We are not called to tolerate (“the practice of deliberately allowing or permitting a thing of which one disapproves.”), we are called to teach repentance and forgiveness, not tolerance of sinful lifestyle. Even the Bible teaches this…convert sinful behavior, yes but tolerate, no.
1 Cor 5:11 “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.”

You may find yourself tolerating sinful life styles only to realize that they don’t tolerate you…I don’t see a lot of Catholic tolerance in courts (Obamacare, child custody, public schools)…yet G&L beliefs have been tolerated.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Parents job to protect their children from unpalatable ideas, not force others to do it. Maybe I misunderstood the original (rereading I think I did) But christian and public would be mutually exclusive - the public library is for everyone, its up to the parent to try and develop a private christian library. Try crowdfunding and establishing an electronic library, a private one.

Hate the sin, the books in the library, but don’t hate the library system for supporting the US Constitution. (I typed the last sentence really slow, hope it helps! 🙂 )
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That’s better.
 
Indigo_Cardinal said:
Not to mention all you’re doing in creating extra work for the librarians. (Hint: They really don’t appreciate people doing this.)
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You’re also creating extra sales for the publisher when the book can’t be found and the library orders another copy to replace it.
 
tifischer said:
Sweeping problems under the carpet has been a bit of an issue in our Church in the past from what I understand…lets not go there. Let’s be proactive about a solution : )
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Classrooms in public schools are the biggest problem. I suggest contacting Catholic schools and getting their library inventory. Talk to them about your idea.

As a person who works in the media, I’m seeing various things creeping into various media that any Christian, especially kids, should not be exposed to. If you get a Grade school and High School library list, you should be good. I’ve even had to throw out a few historical works recently because the publisher thought little bits of profanity were OK. My alternative, by the way, is to stick with publishers and journals where I can get the information I need, presented professionally and minus the needless words.

Ed
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That’s better.
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Is that not why slavery lasted for so long? Because good Christians tolerated it. I don’t see any books endorcing slavery or poligamey in the children’s section do u? You think that would be tolerated?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That’s better.
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PJH_74 said:
Five is young yes. But plan on and could are very different things. If you never address a topic from your point of view; you never really get a chance to express your view. Avoiding a topic may have worked in an isolated world, but today’s connected world will fill in the gaps you leave open.

We all are sinners in someway, I can always use the prayers. Thanks.
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And please pray for me : )
 
tifischer said:
Tolerance is a gov world view not a Christian world view. We are not called to tolerate (“the practice of deliberately allowing or permitting a thing of which one disapproves.”), we are called to teach repentance and forgiveness, not tolerance of sinful lifestyle. Even the Bible teaches this…convert sinful behavior, yes but tolerate, no.
1 Cor 5:11 “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.”

You may find yourself tolerating sinful life styles only to realize that they don’t tolerate you…I don’t see a lot of Catholic tolerance in courts (Obamacare, child custody, public schools)…yet G&L beliefs have been tolerated.
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It would be helpful in this instance to read the entire thought St. Paul was expressing in the passage you cited:

I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people, not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world. But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. “Purge the evil person from your midst.”
1 Cor. 5:9-13

If the parish has objectionable books, yes, we ought to work to get rid of them. As for the public library, we’re stuck advocating as individuals concerning what we do and don’t want. Judging outsiders is not our work to do.
 
Crusaderbear said:
Noted and filed.
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Just to be clear i am not a homophobe. One of my bi friends from high school I am friends with on Facebook today. I don’t ask her if she is still bi I just pray for her and encourage a Christian way. There’s a difference in teaching this is what we allow others to do and this is what we strive to help others with…the first is to tolerate and the second is to love. Tolerating is not a loving way because it never desires something better for other but only accepts a status quo. To love a person is to desire them to choose something that is for God.
 
EasterJoy said:
It would be helpful in this instance to read the entire thought St. Paul was expressing in the passage you cited:

I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people, not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world. But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. “Purge the evil person from your midst.”
1 Cor. 5:9-13

If the parish has objectionable books, yes, we ought to work to get rid of them. As for the public library, we’re stuck advocating as individuals concerning what we do and don’t want. Judging outsiders is not our work to do.
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We may judge what they do but not them. As we will be judged based on what we do or do not do in Gods will.
 
EasterJoy said:
It would be helpful in this instance to read the entire thought St. Paul was expressing in the passage you cited:

I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people, not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world. But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. “Purge the evil person from your midst.”
1 Cor. 5:9-13

If the parish has objectionable books, yes, we ought to work to get rid of them. As for the public library, we’re stuck advocating as individuals concerning what we do and don’t want. Judging outsiders is not our work to do.
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The entire passage does not effect what I said because I was not commenting about judging people…but that we are to be careful with the environment we create for our children.
 
tifischer said:
FYI, our public library has Gay and Lesbian children’s books…ie Families, Families, Families. We no longer go the library and I have asked the Church if they can expand the Church library and I have offered my assistance but no word back. This is very sad. Having studied Biochemistry (MS) and Genetics (BS) and reading the studies related to G&L, I am aware that G&L studies indicate 100% attribution to environment. I need prayers for guidance and hopefully someone who would like to help me (so that I may not have to go alone) to address this issue with the public library. We need a Christian public library (especially for the children).

Please pray that no children will be exposed to G&L and pray for chastity. Please bring the problem up to your parish and ask your Church about expanding a Christian Library, especially geared for children.

God bless!
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Inter-Library Loan (ILL) solves all your objections: You can freely reserve any Catholic book, provided it has an ISBN number or ASIN (Amazon’s equivalent to the ISBN) – and even some books without an ISBN/ASIN (provided the book’s in circulation at a library that participations in ILL) – from that same public library. And, yes, any child with a valid library card can also use Inter-Library Loan.

Additionally, whereas the local library loan period is only up to a month or two (including the renewals), when you check out a book from Inter-Library Loan for up to two months.
 
edwest2 said:
Classrooms in public schools are the biggest problem. I suggest contacting Catholic schools and getting their library inventory.
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And once you have their inventory, request books from that inventory via Inter-Library Loan – your local library will let you check out those books via their ILL policies.
 
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