Neo-Catechumenal Way

[Itari]

The way the current mass is celebrated has been approved by the Pope and different dicastries including the Congregation for divine worship & sacraments. I would take their legislated documents as proof enough of the validity of the practice and not the changes as a fanatic’s plaything.

The description of the special catechesis as found in the statutes is “This celebration, prepared by appropriate catecheses, helps to rediscover the paschal splendor emphasized by the Second Vatican Council and to experience communion among the brothers and sisters.”
I do not believe that there was a need to form a whole new rite or form given that the changes are actually quite small, they are more like additions anyhow, and the roman rite, in it’s entirety, is still used. Should things have been done differently? I cannot say, but I trust in the authorities God has placed.

And I would not say being “born into a community”, but rather “XXXXXX is a member of a community born 4 years ago,” or “This community of 25 people was born last week.” The born part refers to a community as a whole. I’m not exactly sure how else to put it except that it doesn’t not refer to a personal experience, but simply a formative point in time. Perhaps cheif714 was merged into an already existing community, if not it might be a reference from an ontological perspective, rather than by physical birth or the change of nature conferred by baptism. (Ie. Pimp/Drug dealer that converts and leaves his old life behind [not calling cheif714 a drug dealer!])

 

[chief714]

There seems to be a bit on tension growing from this thread.

Now there are different points that need to be made. The first regarding the Eucharist. It was never officially closed to outsiders, (I cannot speak for the cases where people have been asked to leave because those are individuals acting on their own initiative,) it was just not recommended for those who have not done the initial catechesis to attend because of the differences which are explained there. And it is possible the “Our Mass” meant the format in which it is done with all the differences rather than a possession of the sacrament.

The Echoes occur after the proclamation of the Gospel before the Homily (For Byzcath). Now the measure of privacy afforded to the things said in the echoes is a complicated matter of which prudence and charity are the measure of all things. People are recommended to give the same level of privacy as one would in a confession because of the consequences which speaking of anothers life may have.

Now everyone is welcome, it is announced in my parish bulletin and of different others i have been to. Now usually people who are not in the community realize that when they signed up for a 2 hour mass they usually end up leaving half way, before the Eucharist begins, so it is not recommended for those not involved to go. Some interpreted these recommendations as strict laws and so kept beating people who wanted to go over the head with a stick, but the mass is a public event, therefore there cannot be such a thing as a private mass as pointed out by the Holy See.

This of being born in the way is more of a manner of speaking i would think (I nor anyone i know uses it). The only time it is used is when a new community is formed, in this case formed and born are used interchangeably, but it carries no particular connotation as would a Born again Christian.

In the manner used by ChrisRedfield47 im sure he means that his actual birth occurred after his parents were born in the community. (I’m sure there was no need to point this one out, but for thoroughness’ sake.)

I hope that clarified a few things.

you kind of nailed it. I couldn’t explain it better.

Byzcath- other than the echo I don’t believe the Eucharist is any different than Sunday mass accept it feels alot more direct and personal. We’ve had our celebration with several Priests and our Bishop used to celebrate for us before he became Bishop. The echo is an amazing thing where brothers share thier life and how the word speaks to them in their life. The Holy Spirit truly is moving in our parish.

In regards to being “born” i was just stating my “community was born” or “formed” a few months later.

Again, you should attend the catechesis (which has been approved & we are in line with Rome) and maybe talk to a catechist or Priest.

Wish i could speak a little clearer on things but as i said I’m essentially a brand new convert.

Christ is Risen!

 

[cyejbv]

cyejbv, there is a big difference between politeness and charity; and of the latter you see very little in this thread. Therefore, I hope you can forgive me for lacking in the former.

It can be tough to maintain charity when emotions run high, and you are correct in noting the lack of said charity…putting what you said into a different context, there is a big difference between admonishing and belittling. Sigh.
And no need to request forgiveness, as my son says: “It’s all good!”

btw, Rather than use idiot as a noun, I’m searching for a polite adjective to describe posting content… idiot-ness doesn’t work, but I will let you know if I find one!

Pax!

 

[tafan]

Not being critical, just trying to learn a little, chief714 and Itari, thanks for your answers.

chief714:

Byzcath- other than the echo I don’t believe the Eucharist is any different than Sunday mass accept it feels alot more direct and personal

I have not been to a NCW mass, but is this the only sigificant difference? I thought I understood that the way communion is received is very different.

 

[Itari]

Yes communion is received differently. Just as is said in the statute communnion is taken at ones place with either the Priest or Euch. minister distributes the bread to everyone in their place and then the priest returns to his place, says “this is the Lamb of God…” followed by “The Body of Christ bring us to everlasting life” to which the assembly says amen. Once the priest receives the people follow. The Priest (or Deacon if available) takes the chalice from the altar and the priest standing says “The Blood of Christ Bring us to everlasting life,” (Unless im mistaken these words are usually said by the priest in silence) he receives, then the ministers followed by the people who again stand at their place.

Now, i don’t feel as though i know enough to qualtify how great a change it is, but The prefect of the cong. for sacraments and Bl. JPII and Benedict have celebrated the eucharest, so much of the demonization im certain is false.

 

[tafan]

Yes communion is received differently. Just as is said in the statute communnion is taken at ones place with either the Priest or Euch. minister distributes the bread to everyone in their place and then the priest returns to his place, says “this is the Lamb of God…” followed by “The Body of Christ bring us to everlasting life” to which the assembly says amen. Once the priest receives the people follow. The Priest (or Deacon if available) takes the chalice from the altar and the priest standing says “The Blood of Christ Bring us to everlasting life,” (Unless im mistaken these words are usually said by the priest in silence) he receives, then the ministers followed by the people who again stand at their place.

Now, i don’t feel as though i know enough to qualtify how great a change it is, but The prefect of the cong. for sacraments and Bl. JPII and Benedict have celebrated the eucharest, so much of the demonization im certain is false.

Thanks for the explanation. I am not demonizing it at all, I will accept the Church’s decision on this. I will admit to not being comfortable with it, possibly even thiking it a mistake of the Church to allow it. But that is not my decision.

 

[neonic]

Allow me to have an opinion. If the name is “the Neocathecumenal Way”, why would someone want to insist on calling it “the Way”?
To make it shorter and sweeter?

Excuse me, I am new here and this is my first post, also a reply to an old post. My native language is Spanish, so I beg your pardon for any mistake on my writing.
A short answer to your question is: Yes, we use to call it “the way” for shorter but not for sweeter. We know Jesus is the Light, the Way, the Truth and the real Life.
The Neocatechumenal Way is defined “as an itinerary of Catholic formation, valid for our socitety and for our times.” according to Pope JPII.
My wife and me are catholics, once away from Church until we came back thru the neocatechumenal way (ncw) and believe me it’s hard to read a lot of inaccurate things about the way just because of lack of knowledge. Every time I read critics to the ncw I review what I have been experiencing on the last decade and find a lot of mistakes about “the way’s mistakes”. Certainly I don’t close my eyes to any critic because as followers of Jesus it’s expected we get rid of our old mind and we get help when we receive fraternal correction, but I must say we also receive critics from both catholics and non-catholics, and the harder ones come from our brothers and sisters in the Church. By the way, I feel your “to make it shorter and sweeter?” a bit sarcastic.
God bless you and keep you safe every day!