Neo-Pagans will worship at my base chapel!

[trippinprincezz]

**Hey, tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz, **

**Now that I’ve read about a dozen of your posts, I have an idea of your though processes. It’s that process that interests me. **

Actually you don’t know what goes through my mind, so you wouldn’t know how it works.

**You say you were taught by Nuns and a Priest. They didn’t satisfy you did they? Could you elaborate on a few points please?:clapping: **

Satisfy me? Are you talking about molesting me like some priests have done to children? No they didn’t, the nuns I knew were very good people, as were the priests. It is very rude to imply otherwise.

**1. How long were you in the Parocial School? **

4 years because after that my parents couldn’t afford it any more. I went to CCD for a year but that was a joke since it was all stuff I had learned in kindergarten. They were just getting to their first reconciliation then when I had done it in 2nd grade. Actually, that Church I believe did Communion before Reconciliation. So no more CCD for me.

2. While in that school did you ask questions? The Holy Trinity is a mystery…it’s said no one understands it in human terms. It is one of the mysteries of faith.

I’m sure I did ask questions, what kid doesn’t? Unfortunately that was over 10 years ago so I can’t remember my exact words sorry Ohh so if no-one understands the Holy Trinity in human terms, then you don’t know if you are right or not. You can “believe” it, but you don’t know for sure.

3. How is it that you became aware of the “other Gods”?

Reading, praying, thinking. Common human practises. How is it that you became aware of your God? Ooooo I know! Because someone told you what to believe. Makes sense.

4. If there are no histories, books or ancient writings that inform you of your new-found religion, then how do you do you learn these things.

Wicca itself is only about 50 years old, but is based on ancient pagan teachings, which yes, there are a lot of books on that…some i consider valid, others I don’t.

**5. I hate to ask, but do you ever hear someone talking to you when no one is there?:yup: **

Well the little smiling head implies you would love to ask. Ooo yes, I have “god” on one shoulder and the non-existant devil on the other shoulder telling me what to say. So in other words, NO. Geez I’ve got some problems but I’m not crazy. Give me some credit for that. Why do you hear things? I’m sure it’s quite fun.

 

[buffalo]

tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

No, I believe it was influenced by God, but God himself did not take out a pen and write it. The men who wrote it could have added, substracted, changed whatever they wanted to suit their needs.

I could write my own “Bible” and say it was inspired by God. Maybe some of it was, but I’m pretty sure not all of it would be. The same is with your Bible.

Unfortunately, the attitudes of people here are those of people that are brainwashed. I feel like I’m talking to Jehovah’s Witnesses. I highly doubt your God would be pleased with your attitudes.

God is perfect. He cannot deceive or be deceived. The Bible is the Word of God. It is inerrant. In the Bible Jesus makes a claim that He is the Son of God. Eyewitnesses saw Him perform miracles. He raised Lazarus from the dead. After His resurrection He was seen by thousands. Every Apostle was martyred. If it was a hoax or made up then these men would have given it up as they were being martyred. They did not, they held fast to what they saw and were part of. Countless Christians were martyred by the Romans to suppress Christianity. Roman writings record some of this independently.

If you study and put all the facts together you will see why a Catholic believes what we do. The idea that men could have changed the Bible to suit their needs, flies in the face of the original early manuscripts. The intent of the Bible is to preserve and transmit truth.

For two-thousand years it has been under attack. It has successfully defended many heresies, non-believers, etc…

The Church received a promise from Christ that the “Gates of Hell would not prevail against it”.

 

[trippinprincezz]

Peace-bwu:

Do you mean this as a rude comment, making a joke out of mental illness? Or are you serious? Mental illness is the only health problem society still has permission to make fun of, but in truth it is a health problem with connections in the brain… worse than cancer because society tends to treat mentally ill people like dogs. Someone very close to me in my family has been diagnosed with Bipolar depression but if she takes her medication she is “normal” and able to do great things with her life, yes it is a constant struggle and she will probably never have the things I take for granted like a husband and children but she struggles so hard to maintain her sanity… yes if she enters a severe depression she sometimes hears voices and I assure you it is not funny, and we have to stand idly by and watch her suffer… nope, not funny at all.

How do you think she would feel if she were reading your post http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/ani/ani_yup.gif cute, so funny. Do you really think trippenprincezz is going to be impressed with your wit making fun of some of the most vulnerable in our society?

Although I did leave a sarcastic reply to his remark, I did not find it funny at all. I suffer from depression, possible bi-polar, although my doctor wasn’t sure if it was more anxiety/paranoia. My boyfriend’s uncle was schizophrenic and committed suicide. And one of the girls i work with has schizophrenia in her family - mother, aunt (killed herself), and sister - and she is terrified of ending up the same way. So, I really don’t think its funny at all. Thank you for your post though, as I’m sure Exporter would have mocked any serious remark I made regarding it.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

No, I believe it was influenced by God, but God himself did not take out a pen and write it. The men who wrote it could have added, substracted, changed whatever they wanted to suit their needs.

“Influenced” is a long way from “inspired”. And no one ever espoused the “dictation theory” in the discussions. The assertion that it was written by men to suit their needs also is contrary to the Christian faith.
tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

I could write my own “Bible” and say it was inspired by God. Maybe some of it was, but I’m pretty sure not all of it would be. The same is with your Bible.

Perhaps you could write your own, but would it be seen as inerrant and inspired by the Church which God the Holy Spirit protects from teaching error?
tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

Unfortunately, the attitudes of people here are those of people that are brainwashed. I feel like I’m talking to Jehovah’s Witnesses. I highly doubt your God would be pleased with your attitudes.

Verbum sapientia salus est: People have been sanctioned by the moderators in the past for claiming that Catholics are “brainwashed.”

As for your assuming to speak for God, my oh my! :tsktsk:

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[trippinprincezz]

buffalo:

God is perfect. He cannot deceive or be deceived. The Bible is the Word of God. It is inerrant. In the Bible Jesus makes a claim that He is the Son of God. Eyewitnesses saw Him perform miracles. He raised Lazarus from the dead. After His resurrection He was seen by thousands. Every Apostle was martyred. If it was a hoax or made up then these men would have given it up as they were being martyred. They did not, they held fast to what they saw and were part of. Countless Christians were martyred by the Romans to suppress Christianity. Roman writings record some of this independently.

I never said that none of the Bible was true. Yes, I know some of those things are documented history. That doesn’t mean the entire Bible is true or that the authors didn’t change some things around to help promote their religious beliefs. If you weren’t there, you really don’t know. You can have ‘faith’ but you really don’t know it is all true

 

[buffalo]

tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

I never said that none of the Bible was true. Yes, I know some of those things are documented history. That doesn’t mean the entire Bible is true or that the authors didn’t change some things around to help promote their religious beliefs. If you weren’t there, you really don’t know. You can have ‘faith’ but you really don’t know it is all true

OK! In the last post I asked what parts don’t you believe or can’t reconcile?

 

[Peace-bwu]

La Chiara:

So true. Yet so many believe that if it is legal or if the majority accept something then it is right. Too many won’t stand up for something that they believe is right if the majority doesn’t see it as wrong. For example, abortion.

This is especially difficult in the military community where it is not good for your (or your husband’s) military career to take a stand on something that reflects badly on the “chain of command”. Do what you believe is right and lead by your example. Others will observe your choices and pause to consider what your actions say. God bless you.

Exactly, thank your for understanding my position…I hate that I am put in this position in the first place. I love being a military wife and support my husband’s career, I don’t want to be put in the position where I must choose to risk that in any way, but put to the test I will choose God above all else, and I can’t bear the chance of being involved in something that is not pleasing to Him… this is a sad situation for me.

 

[Peace-bwu]

tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

Although I did leave a sarcastic reply to his remark, I did not find it funny at all. I suffer from depression, possible bi-polar, although my doctor wasn’t sure if it was more anxiety/paranoia. My boyfriend’s uncle was schizophrenic and committed suicide. And one of the girls i work with has schizophrenia in her family - mother, aunt (killed herself), and sister - and she is terrified of ending up the same way. So, I really don’t think its funny at all. Thank you for your post though, as I’m sure Exporter would have mocked any serious remark I made regarding it.

I am so dreadfully sorry to hear you must suffer this in your life. I dearly love the person in my family who is afflcted with mental illness and it is terrifying to think it could be passed onto my children, and they will suffer the same… She is Catholic and at times, very devout… but when she goes through an “episode” she has a very difficult time even looking at a crucifix and even contemplating Christianity so at times like this, she often becomes obsessed with astrology. It makes me so very thankful to God that there is such good medication and it is improving all the time, and that when she is properly medicated she is totally normal with the same average problems everyone else has. My family is very happily devout Catholic so it is extra painful that she does not have the comfort of her religion when she is sick. It is really difficult to diagnose and sometimes takes years to do so… Hang in there and never lose hope. I will pray for you, I mean that, as a serious gesture, not as using Jesus to make a dig. ( I don’t like that!!!) I know you have different beliefs as me, but in my mind I believe that God has a plan for you… Jesus suffered as much as any human being could ever suffer and he was divine. There can be beauty found in suffering and pain. I have seen it firsthand, God takes our pain and transforms it into something greater than we could ever imagine, if we let Him.

Bless you.
Peace Be With You

PS.I hope you don’t think my posts have been an intentional attack on the religion you are studying… I believe in freedom of religion, but I also have concerns about what is going on at my base chapel. I hope you aren’t taking it personally.

 

[BLB_Oregon]

Didi:

Since the Blessed Sacrament is in a secured room, I wouldn’t worry too much about the other services. Jesus is still present in the Tabernacle, still very near, and His Love and Grace will still flood over whoever is near Him. Maybe He will begin to convert some hearts!

I agree. It is not as if the base is allowing the Wiccans to meet in a consecrated Catholic church. Catholics on your base have been muddling through without a dedicated space to call their own, which means that what you describe was always a possibility. It is worth it to make Mass available to those who might not otherwise be able to attend. It might even help you appreciate that the Jews have been praying at the same spot Mass was offered all along–an anathema to many of them! This is another sacrifice you all make to serve our country. (Thank you, by the way!)

 

[trippinprincezz]

Gerry Hunter:

Verbum sapientia salus est: People have been sanctioned by the moderators in the past for claiming that Catholics are “brainwashed.”

Good maybe they can do something about the person that implied I was mentally ill and was basically making fun of everyone with a mental illness.
Gerry Hunter:

As for your assuming to speak for God, my oh my! :tsktsk:

No, just stating my opinion based on what I’ve been taught about god

 

[trippinprincezz]

Peace-bwu:

I am so dreadfully sorry to hear you must suffer this in your life. Hang in there and never lose hope. I will pray for you, I mean that, as a serious gesture, not as using Jesus to make a dig. ( I don’t like that!!!)

Thank you and I do appreciate your prayers. Religion was shoved down my throat a lot, which may partially be why I turned away from Catholicism (but not completely). If I disagreed with my parents, it was “sin”, and it got to a point where I felt I couldn’t have my own opinion or be my own person without it being a “sin” (and these “sins” have nothing to do with religious choice, just everyday things)

Peace-bwu:

PS.I hope you don’t think my posts have been an intentional attack on the religion you are studying… I believe in freedom of religion, but I also have concerns about what is going on at my base chapel. I hope you aren’t taking it personally.

No, of all the people here, you are one of the few that seems at least polite and understanding. There are a lot of misconceptions about Pagans, and I feel that you have nothing to worry about, but based on those misconceptions I can see where you are coming from. I hope everything works out for you.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

tripp(name removed by moderator)rincezz:

No, just stating my opinion based on what I’ve been taught about god

We must then conclude that you have come to believe in a “god” other than the true God revealed most fully in the incarnate person of His Son Jesus Christ.

And may God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit be gracious to you as you face the afflictions you have told us you endure.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Exporter]

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b] Actually you don’t know what goes through my mind, so you wouldn’t know how it works.

Satisfy me? Are you talking about molesting me like some priests have done to children? No they didn’t, the nuns I knew were very good people, as were the priests. It is very rude to imply otherwise.
Satisfy mean just that! Did they satisfy you curiosity? Why you didn’t understand what I asked is odd. Since now you have a very minority position, it must have been that the teachers did not satisfy your urge to learn.

I’m sure I did ask questions, what kid doesn’t? Unfortunately that was over 10 years ago so I can’t remember my exact words sorry Ohh so if no-one understands the Holy Trinity in human terms, then you don’t know if you are right or not. You can “believe” it, but you don’t know for sure.
Your last contact with Christian learning was when you were a fifth grader. The Trinity was explained to 5th graders like it is in the Seminary! You hardly know the Trinity.
Reading, praying, thinking. Common human practises. How is it that you became aware of your God? Ooooo I know! Because someone told you what to believe. Makes sense.
Wicca itself is only about 50 years old, but is based on ancient pagan teachings, which yes, there are a lot of books on that…some i consider valid, others I don’t.

**Wicca is not recognised by the armed forces of the USA. So they cannot hold worship services on the bases. It is a side show. I dare you to get on your knees and ask the Holy Spirit if Wicca is where you should be. That is a dare. If after a week or two you are not aware of an answer then have at it, turn your back on Jesus Christ- and He will turn his back on you. You have a second chance. **

 

[Ken]

Is it Catholic teaching that Jesus Christ turns his back on people? Which people? Under what conditions? Where can this teaching be found?

 

[Ken]

What are the religions recognized by the armed forces of the US?

 

[nan]

OK - how many of you are posting while at work??? And one other thing…one person’s perception of what is"rude" may be different from another’s so how can any of the comments here be labelled as such? The whole discussion is relative isn’t it? Well, seriously , back to the relevant discussion…I often go to Mass at the chapel on a Naval base. Who cares if other clamouring groups do their thing as long as the Eucharist is protected?

 

[Peace-bwu]

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**Wicca is not recognised by the armed forces of the USA. So they cannot hold worship services on the bases. It is a side show. I dare you to get on your knees and ask the Holy Spirit if Wicca is where you should be. That is a dare. If after a week or two you are not aware of an answer then have at it, turn your back on Jesus Christ- and He will turn his back on you. You have a second chance. **

This is pretty harsh… I would never dare anyone to pray to a false god. From her posts, I have gathered tripp(name removed by moderator)rincess is a young girl with a lot of vulnerabilites and I don’t think your line of posts is helping her much, and they are straying from my origional question.

I don’t have as many misconceptions about Wicca/Witches as you may think princess, I feel I know enough to know the practice of both goes against Christianity in a huge way, and I don’t see it as harmless. Sure it is peddled as harmless, only good energy etc. but I believe that is only the exterior, and I will never think that we are all worshiping the same diety/gods goddeses/whatever… I feel that is a misconception on your part about what we Catholics worship. It is obvious from your posts that your parents hurt you in some way and shoved religion down your throat and I am sorry you had a bad experience with that, but don’t let it take Jesus away from you life… yes it is a sin for children to disobey their parents, but it is also a sin for parents to be cruel to their children. If this is the case, don’t let their sins take away your relationship with Jesus. I know you are questioning alot right now and I did the same thing right after highschool (not with Wicca, but with various Protestant beliefs which caused me to quesion and learn more about the Catholic Church) Someday you will come to a place in your life where you break away from your parents and forgive them, Some of us may never have the relationship with our parents we wish we had. Sad, but true. One of these days you should just try a trial period of Christianity, just focusing on Jesus to make sure it’s not what you want… just give it a try someday. Don’t let your parents take your Catholic Faith away from you. You are giving up a huge gift. It took me several years to learn that. I say this not to criticize you, but out of love to my fellow human being… I could be in the same situation as you and would hope someone would talk to me about it, if you want to discuss anything at all with me send me a private message, that way you don’t have to worry about ppl jumping down your throat. I’m not here to judge you, or convert you, but would be happy to help you sort our your own questions, like an online big sister.

 

[Peace-bwu]

nan:

OK -I often go to Mass at the chapel on a Naval base. Who cares if other clamouring groups do their thing as long as the Eucharist is protected?

I posted the same question in the “Ask and Apologist’” forum it might be helpful for you to read it,
Peace Be With You.

If you are defending the comments made about mental illness as something to laugh at, I think most of us would agree that the comment was thoughtless, disrespectful and “rude” to make fun of a health problem so many in our society suffer from.

 

[nan]

Actually, I was trying to make a point about the drawbacks of using relativism to defend anything. And I will check out the other thread - thanks.

 

[Exporter]

TRIPP(name removed by moderator)RINCEZZ,

I haven’t counted the number of people who have given you the True Catholic teaching on various topics. You maybe should be grateful that there are that many who Care! These people have responded to some falicies and wrong-headed understanding of what YOU THINK is the Catholic Faith.

**Did I read that that you are diagnosed as Bi-Polar? That’s not too bad, but it requires taking the meds regularly. Fifteen years ago I was diagnosed as Bi-Polar. I was a “3” based on “10” as worst. I was mildly affected, but once I saw a “vision” while driving…angels defeating deamons. I have taken Lithium and Resperdol for a long time and I function very well.:clapping: **

One of my grand daughters who was a 3-year Champion in H.S. Track and an “A”-“B” student had a depression/anxiety attack requiring hospitalization 3 different times. Her anxiety was terrible…seeing devil faces…she was afraid of dying any minute! That was 18 months ago. She is in college now and working part time. Doing faily well now.

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**I tell you about my grand daughter and me to let you know that if you TRUELY are suffering from depression or Bi-Polar condition, ALTHOUGH IT IS HELL FOR A WHILE, YOU WILL SURVIVE, YOU WILL GET BETTER! TRY, Force yourself to take your meds. If they make you sick or don’t remove symptoms TELL THE DOCTOR - LOUDLY! It took five different combos of meds for my grand daughter to “get it right”. **