Neocon Catholic leaders nurtured by GOP and Conservative Philanthropy on their heels

[Maranatha]

Neocon Catholic leaders nurtured by GOP and Conservative Philanthropy on their heels

Catholic voters migrated back to the Democrats in the 2006 midterm elections. Was it a temporary move or are they heading home for the long term?

In the 2004 presidential election cycle, Catholics, whose vote was considered open to both parties, were carefully courted by the Republicans. GOP organizers – accompanied by their neoconservative Catholic brethren – brought the “traditional family values” mantra to the table, highlighting supposed agreement between Catholics and conservative evangelical Christians on two major issues – abortion and same-sex marriage.

In the actual election, Republican George W. Bush wound up receiving 52 percent of the Catholic vote, up from 47 percent in 2000, to John Kerry’s 47 percent.

In 2006, however, Catholics, who compose a 67 million-person slice of the electorate, favored Democrats by 55 percent to 45 percent, according to National Election Pool exit polls. Jeff Diamant of Religion News Service reported that “Catholic voting patterns varied by state, but the overall shift helped Democrats in several big states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, according to John Green, a senior fellow at Washington’s Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.”

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[mdzialo]

The democrats are craven, so I can’t vote for them. But who will say, I vote for republicans because they have limited abortion to just 45 million dead? And, whatever they blather, both parties like the idea of using war to “fix” things. Therefore, we can honestly say: Republicans and democrats are two masks on the same face.

 

[mpb74]

The democratic party is home to Catholics?

I was unaware of this. Modern day Dems are not the party of our fathers and mothers. Look at the state of our nation in regard to morality.

I believe the Church says in essence that abortion is the greatest evil in the world today. I agree. Who brought us the culture of death? As much as you want to hem and haw about it, it was the democrats bye and large.

As much as I have held my breath voting for some republicans, it seems to be selecting the lesser of two evils. To say that there have been x number of abortions despite the fact you voted for GOP candidates, it might have been x number + 1 had you not. I don’t hold to the notion that 1 less abortion is not the greater good, or the lesser evil.

The democratic party has brought us not just the welfare state but the welfare culture. Hope, in the welfare culture consists of hitting the lottery, and very little else. Talk about the forsaken.

Let’s not forget the commonwealth of massachusets, a dem dominated state. Home of two US senators deserving of excommunication for failing to repent for their sinful votes in increasing abortion and promoting it. They have also brought the legal concept of homosexual marriage. This by a court directing the legislature to enact a law as the court sees fit. (Not the role of the judiciary) It’s funny how modern intellectuals think they know better than every society that came before them.

Better that home should be condemned as unfit for the living, as apparently many children are.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

The democrats are craven, so I can’t vote for them. But who will say, I vote for republicans because they have limited abortion to just 45 million dead? And, whatever they blather, both parties like the idea of using war to “fix” things. Therefore, we can honestly say: Republicans and democrats are two masks on the same face.

That leaves us with one choice: Ron Paul.

Which translates into President Hillary. This is the same attitude that gave us Speaker of the House Pelosi. Just peachy.

 

[estesbob]

Which translates into President Hillary. This is the same attitude that gave us Speaker of the House Pelosi. Just peachy.

So I should get blood on my hands by voting for a pro-abortion candidate in order to keep another pro-abortion canidate from winning the presidency? Seems to be the baby ends up just as dead either way. I will never under any circumstances vote for anyone ,whether it be for dogcatcher or President of the United States ,who supports killing our children.The Republican Party turns its back on its pro-life constituency at its own risk.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

So I should get blood on my hands by voting for a pro-abortion candidate in order to keep another pro-abortion canidate from winning the presidency? Seems to be the baby ends up just as dead either way. I will never under any circumstances vote for anyone ,whether it be for dogcatcher or President of the United States ,who supports killing our children.The Republican Party turns its back on its pro-life constituency at its own risk.

Sorry, but that doesn’t wash. I don’t know what ‘pro-abortion’ candidate you are referring to, but I know at least one who has been misquoted by a media industry.

Not voting is an act of cowardice.

 

[tomarin]

i thought any discussion of the upcoming presidential election was banned on CAF.

 

[estesbob]

i thought any discussion of the upcoming presidential election was banned on CAF.

It is-I have deleted my post

 

[rlg94086]

The democrats are craven, so I can’t vote for them. But who will say, I vote for republicans because they have limited abortion to just 45 million dead? And, whatever they blather, both parties like the idea of using war to “fix” things. Therefore, we can honestly say: Republicans and democrats are two masks on the same face.

That leaves us with one choice: Ron Paul.

Umm…He’s a Republican.

 

[brigid12]

With the Pope speaking of “going green” and, as per this last Wednesday audience, him speaking of St. John Chrysostom and his belief (that the Pontiff apparently agreed with) of the need to change structures in government relating to the poor rather than just helping the poor individually, I wonder. Course, Democrats would need to clean up their act relating to abortion and euthanasia.

 

[jabelltulsa]

Can anyone say the title of this thread 3 times fast?

 

[sosayi1960]

Umm…He’s a Republican.

He’s really a Libertarian. Who use to preform Abortions while in medical school and as a resident.

 

[rlg94086]

With the Pope speaking of “going green” and, as per this last Wednesday audience, him speaking of St. John Chrysostom and his belief (that the Pontiff apparently agreed with) of the need to change structures in government relating to the poor rather than just helping the poor individually, I wonder. Course, Democrats would need to clean up their act relating to abortion and euthanasia.

The way I see it…

Environmentalism - Catholics can support either party. The Republican Party isn’t anti-environment. It is against over-regulation by government.

Poverty - Catholics can support either party. The Republican Party isn’t anti-poor. It is against government programs.

Life Issues - I don’t see how Catholics can support the Democrats, as they are pro-choice.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

With the Pope speaking of “going green” and, as per this last Wednesday audience, him speaking of St. John Chrysostom and his belief (that the Pontiff apparently agreed with) of the need to change structures in government relating to the poor rather than just helping the poor individually, I wonder. Course, Democrats would need to clean up their act relating to abortion and euthanasia.

Not to mention homosexual marriage.

And I hate when people call abortion ‘pro-choice.’ Choose what?

 

[estesbob]

The way I see it…

Environmentalism - Catholics can support either party. The Republican Party isn’t anti-environment. It is against over-regulation by government.

Poverty - Catholics can support either party. The Republican Party isn’t anti-poor. It is against government programs.

Life Issues - I don’t see how Catholics can support the Democrats, as they are pro-choice.

Exactly!

 

[goofyjim]

We still need a new party as the two existing ones are both a waste.

 

[zeito_alitheia]

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But back to the subject, the only reason more Catholics voted Democratic in 2006 was not because they approved of Democratic social policy, but because of their disgust of the immoral Iraq war. And they also knew that the Democrats are as pro-war as the Republicans (at least they will be if they get back in power) So basically the switch to Democratic from Republican was the voters way of saying to the GOP “you screwed up big time and this is our way of firing a warning shot to you”. Also recent polls have shown that huge amounts of military personnel have also switched to Democratic and Republican politicians who oppose the war. So in a nutshell, with big overseas wars comes big government at home, and with big government at home there will be no chance of bringing abortion back to the states and overturning the supreme court.

 

[estesbob]

But back to the subject, the only reason more Catholics voted Democratic in 2006 was not because they approved of Democratic social policy, but because of their disgust of the immoral Iraq war. And they also knew that the Democrats are as pro-war as the Republicans (at least they will be if they get back in power) So basically the switch to Democratic from Republican was the voters way of saying to the GOP “you screwed up big time and this is our way of firing a warning shot to you”. Also recent polls have shown that huge amounts of military personnel have also switched to Democratic and Republican politicians who oppose the war. So in a nutshell, with big overseas wars comes big government at home, and with big government at home there will be no chance of bringing abortion back to the states and overturning the supreme court.

Yes: all because Catholics put their politics before their faith. Church teaching on this is very clear -no issue or a combination of issues trumps abortion. Those who voted for pro abortion candidates because of dissatisfaction with the war have aided and abetted the slaughter of our children. Shame on them.

 

[Binary]

He’s really a Libertarian. Who use to preform Abortions while in medical school and as a resident.

Really? Could you provide a link to back that up? It doesn’t mesh at all with his voting record on abortion, as shown here: ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

It would also make him a liar, since he said: “In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.”

ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=842

Or maybe you shouldn’t bother to reply at all.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

But back to the subject, the only reason more Catholics voted Democratic in 2006 was not because they approved of Democratic social policy, but because of their disgust of the immoral Iraq war. And they also knew that the Democrats are as pro-war as the Republicans (at least they will be if they get back in power) So basically the switch to Democratic from Republican was the voters way of saying to the GOP “you screwed up big time and this is our way of firing a warning shot to you”. Also recent polls have shown that huge amounts of military personnel have also switched to Democratic and Republican politicians who oppose the war. So in a nutshell, with big overseas wars comes big government at home, and with big government at home there will be no chance of bringing abortion back to the states and overturning the supreme court.

I’m Catholic and don’t view the Iraq war as the least bit immoral. I pray for our troops daily at 9 PM and have done so for some time.

To switch to Democrat makes NO sense whatever, as they are currently the pro-abort, anti-religion party (unless that religion happens to be Islam or goat-sacrificing).

Yeah. Third party candidate to siphon votes from the real parties. That’ll show 'em.