Neoreactionary / alt-right

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lelinator said:
Those who do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with their God.
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Before, it was just “those that love their neighbor”, according to your first post. Honest question: Are you going to keep changing the definition in order to shift the goalposts?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
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lelinator:
For me, I don’t care whether someone is a Catholic, or a Muslim, or a Jew, or an agnostic, or an atheist, if they love their neighbor then I will gladly count them as a Christian. To me, the world has more than enough Catholics, what it needs is more Christians.
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Would you please define “Christian”?
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By their acts shall ye know them.
 
I remember my old mum used to say ‘Now, that’s not very Christian’ when someone did something immoral. It stuck with me for years until I had a little lightbulb moment and I realised it didn’t have to only apply to Christians.
 
BlueKumul said:
Is the neoreactionary / alt-right worldview compatible with the Church teaching?
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Yes and no.
BlueKumul said:
I find its tenets despicable, but many of them claim to be Catholics.
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Then you will likely believe their views to be incompatible with Catholic teaching and will probably not be willing to be convinced that they are not. Effectively making this conversation fruitless.
BlueKumul said:
Their cult of machismo doesn’t look much like Jesus-like meekness
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Masculinity is not antithetical to meekness. One can be meek while being outspoken.
BlueKumul said:
their praise of ethnic identity isn’t compatible with the universal nature of Catholicism.
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The Catholic Church has always recognized the diversity of ethnicities. There is no incompatibility with celebrating ethnic identity and being a Catholic.
BlueKumul said:
They also appeal to evolutionary psychology, how can one reconcile that with immortal soul?
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Some appeal to evolutionary psychology, some do not. However, I do find it interesting that the vast majority of Catholics believe in the evolution of the body, but not of the mind.

The alt-right is a blanket term that encompasses too many various beliefs to be categorically declared either incompatible or compatible with Church teaching. It depends on what flavor of alt-right a specific person subscribes to.

The white-nationalist alt-right is largely filled with individuals who are not in union with Catholic teaching.
 
Sarcelle said:
Oh and by the way, a huge percentage of them are very anti-Catholic.
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Mmm… I would say it is only a plurality that are anti-Catholic. And most of those that are anti-Catholic are usually either Protestant or Orthodox.

4chan specifically has a very large Catholic presence. I myself have been involved in dozens of threads arguing for a Catholic “alt-right” alongside many other Catholics.

Some of the most popular voices of alt-right thought (Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch) are apathetic towards Catholicism, while others (E Michael Jones) are explicitly Catholic.
 
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BlueKumul said:
Their cult of machismo doesn’t look much like Jesus-like meekness…
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Matthew 23:33 and John 2:13-16 rather contradict your milquetoast version of Jesus.
…and their praise of ethnic identity isn’t compatible with the universal nature of Catholicism.
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Catholics are called to make disciples of all men, not to unite them under one world government, seeing as the nations were created by God. In Heaven, we will still be members of our respective nations, see Revelation 7:9.
They also appeal to evolutionary psychology, how can one reconcile that with immortal soul?
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The Catholic Church accepts the possibility of evolution.
 
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Raxus said:
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lelinator:
Can loving thy neighbor ever truly be Christ-free?
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There are people in the world that love their neighbors and then throw gay men off of rooftops. I’d call that pretty Christ-free.
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I don’t think that neighbours is restricted to ‘the people who live next door’.
 
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So, recently, The Most Rev. Robert McElroy of San Diego was commenting on the US election. He said there have been many attacks on the Catholic identity of candidates such as FVP Joe Biden. He says that such attacks are actually detrimental to the nature of Catholic identity. Because being Catholic is about living a grace-filled life in fellowship with God and neighbor, it’s about loving the Church, it’s about caring for others, including the poor. (Many CAF posters would disagree, claiming that Catholic identity is about being baptized, full stop.)

So when you say someone isn’t Catholic (or isn’t Christian) because he supports position X or issue Y, think about the whole tapestry of what it means to be Catholic and think about being a little more charitable to our brothers and sisters.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
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lelinator:
Can loving thy neighbor ever truly be Christ-free? If so, then I’ll take my Christ-free Christians over your Catholics and have absolutely no regrets.
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Would you elaborate further, please?
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For me, it doesn’t matter what a person calls themselves, because it seems disingenuous to me to ask someone to love their neighbor as themselves, and then to reject them because they did it under the wrong name. I can’t help but feel that God would rather save one Muslim who loved their neighbor, then to save a million Catholics who didn’t, but who instead merely cloaked themselves in His Son’s name.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
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So give me all the Muslims who have loved their neighbor as themselves and I will gladly stand among them before God. And where they go, I will willingly go also. This isn’t to say that there isn’t a great multitude of truly amazing Catholics, for indeed there are. But if you think that that name alone will save you, then you’re wrong. For it was never about the name.

For me, a Christ-free Christian isn’t a misnomer, or a contradiction, or an insult, it’s a description of the truest Christian of all. A Christian who loves their neighbor, not because they’re commanded to, but simply because they’re compelled to, by the same spirit that compelled Christ to hang on that cross.

So go ahead, call me a Christ-free Christian…I’ll wear the label proudly.
 
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BlueKumul said:
Is the neoreactionary / alt-right worldview compatible with the Church teaching? I find its tenets despicable, but many of them claim to be Catholics.

Their cult of machismo doesn’t look much like Jesus-like meekness, and their praise of ethnic identity isn’t compatible with the universal nature of Catholicism. They also appeal to evolutionary psychology, how can one reconcile that with immortal soul?
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This reminds me of a Richard Spencer interview. He made a comment about how he supports a Christian society or something like that. The interviewer asked if he was a Christian and he kept skirting around the topic by saying he was a cultural Christian.

A lot of these people like/support Christianity simply because it’s heavily associated with the West. That’s basically it. They have no interest in truly following God.
 
I agree with your advice. I’ve already decided to ignore the pothead rapper and the cam girl (two former friends who were spiritually harmful). So the same goes for the neoreactionary guy.
 
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