New Abortion Restrictions Driving Sterilizations

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Who have we become? The fact that we are having this discussion at all, it’s so very deeply troubling on so many levels. To the OP, I feel so sad for your five friends. They are of course symptomatic of a larger societal trend towards hating children and treating fertility like a disease instead of a gift to be wisely managed. And of course this points to another, deeper problem in our society; we will stop at nothing to get consequence-free sex. Nothing. Another disturbing societal trend this points to, is our increasing acceptance of mutilating our own bodies to make a statement, and often that statement is very hyperbolic in nature, and yes, possibly deeply regretted later. Whatever our stands on the specifics may be, to stand with Christ in a society moving further in these directions is going to be increasingly difficult.
 
A culture that loves every possible kind of sex but hates children results in a society in decline. It seems to be a wish for extinction, and the below replacement fertility levels confirm that.
 
Cruciferi said:
Only because the Greatest Generation raised the Baby Boomers poorly who in turn led Generation X astray thereby putting Millennials at a disadvantage.

Now, my Generation must Save the world and Generation Z. 🙂
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This Gen Xer blames Adam and Eve.

It all started there folks.

What generation are they?
 
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And honestly, until diabetics can get insulin for $10 or those with heart disease get meds for $4 per month, I am very much okay with someone paying for their birth control. I will not lose one minute of sleep over it.
 
Exactly. Those college students and other young people complaining about “no money for birth control” seem to have plenty of dosh to spend at the bar, at restaurants, on marijuana, and on everything else, yet Uncle Sugar is supposed to pony up for their pills? The one who was attending Georgetown and complaining about it was especially silly. Those who attend Georgetown are hardly so broke that they can’t afford to pay for their birth control.
 
To be fair we’re not talking about Uncle Sam paying, we’re talking about private insurance that people pay for paying for it. Which as a medication they should be.
 
Back in my sinful youth I was on BCP for a couple of years and my private insurance through my Fortune 500 employer didn’t pay for it either. I had to pay for it myself out of my flex spending account, granted I got a tax break but my point is, I paid for my own and these women can do it too if there’s no medical need. Setting aside the fact that from a moral standpoint they shouldn’t be using it anyway and shouldn’t be having sex if they aren’t married. Other forms of birth control I used back then included over the counter stuff like sponges and condoms and I paid for all of it unless a man was responsible enough to actually buy his own condoms (many of them were not).

(This was about 35 years ago, I haven’t used any birth control anything since at least the early 90s, and have confessed everything and repented, blablabla. And I am not advocating premarital sex. It wasn’t fun, it was probably not worth the headaches it created, and I am happy that phase of my life has been left in the very distant dust. )

I would support insurance, public or private, paying for it in a case where it is actually prescribed by a doctor for a hormonal condition, which happens sometimes.
 
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Same here

However back in my youth, during the nineties, Planned Parenthood paid for my BCP.
 
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It figures that they would. I remember a lot of free condom distribution from many sources back then too, because of the AIDS epidemic.

I wouldn’t have ever gone to a PP clinic because despite the fact that I was about a foot over the immorality line, I considered PP to be two feet over and that would have to me made it a worse sin. i realize this probably sounds nuts. Young people with sex on their minds don’t always reason the greatest, sadly. So I just got pills from my doctor.

I quit using them after about 2 years because I got nervous about messing with the hormones in my body and also they were giving me a weird tan mustache on my upper lip. Also I was getting married so there was much less need for the stuff.
 
Well, the market, and also whether the drug is old enough that generic versions exist. There are many, many birth control pills available, several of them old enough that there are cheap, generic versions available.
 
As to price, my girlfriend is on a birth control called Blisovi to control her periods, otherwise they are all over the place.

If her insurance didn’t cover them I think it would be like $5 or so.
 
Does that apply even if it’s not being used for contraceptive purposes? Some women use hormonal birth control that has been prescribed by a doctor for the purpose of correcting hormonal imbalances that would otherwise dramatically impact their health, and that includes serious brain disorders which can become aggravated because the reproductive hormones are also neurotransmitters.
 
When hormonal medications are indicated to treat an illness, the prescription says so. Even the world famous “Little Sisters of the Poor” employees would have medication to treat an illness covered (how do I know? Well, there were more religious orgs involved in that lawsuit and I work for one of them, so, I have the famous insurance).

The co pay is often more than the price for Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, etc low cost generic drug.

And there are always county health clinics who provide BCPs on a sliding income scale.
 
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Even my NFP only, Catholic, doctor considered birth control pills for hormonal treatment.

And insurance companies that would not normally cover birth control pills would cover them if they were taken for medical reasons.
 
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Oh, I don’t know, on the grounds that maybe they are obviously young, thinking irrationally, have no children yet and will most certainly want the procedure reversed, at great cost and possible risk to themselves, without a guarantee of success?
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And you know this because??? Are you them?
 
VeryBlessed said:
They are of course symptomatic of a larger societal trend towards hating children
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Just because people don’t want to have children, doesn’t mean they hate them.
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and treating fertility like a disease instead of a gift to be wisely managed
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Fertility isn’t a “gift” everyone is happy to have received. To some its like a bad present they’re then expected too be “grateful” for just because another thought to give it too them. I know for myself, I would have rather been born without a uterus, due to the disease I have that’s genetic. Would have made things much simpler.
 
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